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NYKBocker
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1/11/2014  3:24 PM
It seems that Ricky is on the block. He has been a disappointment and Love has been critical. Time to pounce.
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1/11/2014  3:31 PM
NYKBocker wrote:It seems that Ricky is on the block. He has been a disappointment and Love has been critical. Time to pounce.

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yellowboy90
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1/11/2014  3:34 PM
The boy can't shoot but everything else looks pretty good.
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1/11/2014  4:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2014  4:21 PM
I liked Rubio when he first came into the league. His jump shot isn't there and I'm concerned about his health but I'd roll the dice if it were possible and we don't rebuild (through the grace of some diety).
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1/11/2014  4:39 PM
He's pretty solid but I've never been a big fan. He'll move the ball and get you some easy baskets but there are other times he just looks slow and for lack of a better term, prigioni-like. I wouldn't give up much for him.
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1/11/2014  5:04 PM
NYKBocker wrote:It seems that Ricky is on the block. He has been a disappointment and Love has been critical. Time to pounce.

You dont win with guys who shoot 34% I never liked him hes not an NBA caliber shooter YET. You need to be over 40 at a minimum.

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1/11/2014  5:28 PM
tj23 wrote:He's pretty solid but I've never been a big fan. He'll move the ball and get you some easy baskets but there are other times he just looks slow and for lack of a better term, prigioni-like. I wouldn't give up much for him.

I admit i have only seen a handful of Timberwolves games the last few years but if I had to compare him to anyone, it would be Prigioni.

With that said, he is a playmaker and thats what the Knicks need. I would give up a first rounder for him but I wouldn't trade Felton for him.

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1/11/2014  6:04 PM
Rubio excels in the open court, a style of play in which we do not play. He will be exposed even more in our slow down, half court system. He needs to stay out west or at least on a team that's trying to push at every instance...
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1/11/2014  6:18 PM
Id do a lot to get him... yes he still hasnt developed a shot but on this team a player like him would be great getting Bargs, Chandler and Stat easy shots!!! He does good things in set game situations too! Him and Shump on the break would be killer!!!!
That said... i dont see the Wolves giving up on him!!!
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1/11/2014  6:44 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
tj23 wrote:He's pretty solid but I've never been a big fan. He'll move the ball and get you some easy baskets but there are other times he just looks slow and for lack of a better term, prigioni-like. I wouldn't give up much for him.

I admit i have only seen a handful of Timberwolves games the last few years but if I had to compare him to anyone, it would be Prigioni.

With that said, he is a playmaker and thats what the Knicks need. I would give up a first rounder for him but I wouldn't trade Felton for him.

i understand the criticism. but when i see him play i have two thoughts: first is his floor impact, which in my opinion is better than the usual numbers indicate, based on watching him play a game or two. second, the numbers indicate his unusual level of generosity and orchestration: the ratio of usage to ast this season is an absurdly good [.44]:1.00

again, the numbers indicate that this is an elite of ball-sharing and orchestration, and the article is underscoring this.

am i wrong here?

no i am not. according to this advanced stat he is great.

however: another advanced stat-- his TS%-- is an utter abomination and, looking at the one area in the game he could stand to improve on is... drawing fouls. on his own he needs to increase his number of free throw attempts to raise his number of FTA. and while we're at it, he needs to improve at finishing. does he have a little step back from 7-10 feet? if not, then he should focus on developing one since nash has shown it is an effective form of "finishing."

love and anybody else for that matter should not be complaining about rubio-- great as love is love should focus on being a better 3-point shooter and if he is criticizing a team-oriented player then he's a douche.

that said, the more immediate issue is can such a player as rubio co-exist with carmelo anthony? the answer, as usual, is "probably not."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/11/2014  7:32 PM
dk7th wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
tj23 wrote:He's pretty solid but I've never been a big fan. He'll move the ball and get you some easy baskets but there are other times he just looks slow and for lack of a better term, prigioni-like. I wouldn't give up much for him.

I admit i have only seen a handful of Timberwolves games the last few years but if I had to compare him to anyone, it would be Prigioni.

With that said, he is a playmaker and thats what the Knicks need. I would give up a first rounder for him but I wouldn't trade Felton for him.

i understand the criticism. but when i see him play i have two thoughts: first is his floor impact, which in my opinion is better than the usual numbers indicate, based on watching him play a game or two. second, the numbers indicate his unusual level of generosity and orchestration: the ratio of usage to ast this season is an absurdly good [.44]:1.00

again, the numbers indicate that this is an elite of ball-sharing and orchestration, and the article is underscoring this.

am i wrong here?

no i am not. according to this advanced stat he is great.

however: another advanced stat-- his TS%-- is an utter abomination and, looking at the one area in the game he could stand to improve on is... drawing fouls. on his own he needs to increase his number of free throw attempts to raise his number of FTA. and while we're at it, he needs to improve at finishing. does he have a little step back from 7-10 feet? if not, then he should focus on developing one since nash has shown it is an effective form of "finishing."

love and anybody else for that matter should not be complaining about rubio-- great as love is love should focus on being a better 3-point shooter and if he is criticizing a team-oriented player then he's a douche.

that said, the more immediate issue is can such a player as rubio co-exist with carmelo anthony? the answer, as usual, is "probably not."

Anyone know how good his defense or can point to stats showing his defensive effectiveness. Rubio is a tough player to describe. On one hand, he seems like the type of player every team would love to have. But his teams continue to lose and it's frustrating to see that his shooting still sucks. His shooting could be overlooked depending his defensive impact.

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1/11/2014  8:23 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:The boy can't shoot but everything else looks pretty good.

Sounds like Rondo

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1/11/2014  8:29 PM
I hears Barea was on the block. You sure Rubio is too?
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1/11/2014  8:33 PM
EnySpree wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:The boy can't shoot but everything else looks pretty good.

Sounds like Rondo

Maybe he could be our ticket to being competitive in a Rondo trade. It's unlikely we get either but Rubio would put us closer to the goal.

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1/11/2014  8:37 PM
EnySpree wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:The boy can't shoot but everything else looks pretty good.

Sounds like Rondo

W/O the insance rebounding from his position and the finishing ability. Rondo can't shoot from long range, but he can finish as well as any guard from the league. Rubio frustrates because he misses the close range shots too.

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1/11/2014  8:44 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:The boy can't shoot but everything else looks pretty good.

Sounds like Rondo

W/O the insance rebounding from his position and the finishing ability. Rondo can't shoot from long range, but he can finish as well as any guard from the league. Rubio frustrates because he misses the close range shots too.

Yup, great at breaking down defenses and getting to the rim and he can still find an open man if he can't finish.

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1/11/2014  8:52 PM
His defence is quite good... on ball and playing the passing lanes! Doesnt finish at the basket but his passing is even bettet!
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1/11/2014  8:55 PM
dodger78 wrote:His defence is quite good... on ball and playing the passing lanes! Doesnt finish at the basket but his passing is even bettet!

Wouldn't go that far.

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1/11/2014  9:28 PM
I think Rubio would be great here - we got guys that like to shoot
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1/11/2014  9:43 PM
Here is an article about the Wolves situation.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/239528601.html

Souhan: Add Rubio to the list of Wolves draft mistakes
Article by: JIM SOUHAN , Star Tribune Updated: January 10, 2014 - 11:42 PM
Instead of turning out to be a star, the guard is making the 2009 draft looking even worse.

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The Timberwolves canceled their practice Thursday, allowing them to avoid answering questions such as ‘‘Why do you hate each other?’’ ‘‘Why do you misplace your fine motor skills in the fourth quarter?’’ and, in an existential query that gets to the heart of franchise history, ‘‘Why?’’

Wednesday night, Kevin Love ripped a couple of teammates after the Wolves choked away another winnable game, hinting that there are rifts in the locker room. It was the latest sign that the Wolves might be doomed to another in a long line of Wolves-like seasons.

It’s all very melodramatic, but Love’s unwillingness to bring J.J. Barea’s favorite scones to morning shootarounds isn’t what ails this team.

The Timberwolves’ problem, as always, is that they don’t have enough good players because of bad drafts and that nagging perpetual franchise curse.


By now the Wolves expected to have two fully developed stars, in Love and point guard Ricky Rubio.

Instead, they have one star and one major disappointment.

Rubio is killing the Timberwolves. They’re 0-10 in games decided by four points or fewer. Magic Johnson called the last few minutes of close games ‘‘winnin’ time.’’ For Rubio, it’s just as likely to be ‘‘sittin’ time,’’ because Rick Adelman has felt compelled to often bench the player that former Wolves GM David Kahn thought was more valuable than Love.

Love had a bad night Wednesday, but he has made himself a legitimate star by augmenting his game every offseason. One year he lost weight. One year he added a three-point shot. Through diligence, he has developed a baby hook, spin moves, low-post footwork and the strength to finish at the rim, one of his greatest weaknesses as a young player.

While Love has dedicated himself to his craft, Rubio has regressed. He remains a deft passer and a willing defender. He’s charismatic and unselfish. But just when he should be showing off a polished jumper that would make him and the Wolves’ offense dangerous, he’s launching flat shots that would get him laughed out of most YMCAs.

Because these are the Wolves, Rubio is not just disappointing, he’s endemic. He is another player the Wolves drafted at the wrong time for the wrong reason. He’s a bad decision who led to more bad decisions.


Remember, Rubio was supposed to be the lone salvation of Kahn’s first draft, when he passed over Steph Curry to take Jonny Flynn in 2009.

Because Kahn took Rubio, he traded Ty Lawson. Because the Wolves invested faith in Rubio, they traded down in the 2013 draft and took forward Shabazz Muhammad instead of selecting a promising guard such as Trey Burke, C.J. McCollum or Michael Carter-Williams. (Officially, they selected Burke and traded him to Utah, although they drafted Burke for the Jazz.)

This team would be better with Curry and Lawson. Or Curry and Burke. Or Burke and Lawson. Or Sam Cassell and Terrell Brandon on mobility scooters.

Playing in an offense that benefits anyone who can make an open shot, Rubio is averaging a career-low 8.8 points on a career-low 34.7 shooting percentage.

His inability to make open shots allows defenses to cut under screens and shade toward other shooters, gumming up the offense. For the Wolves to thrive in the fourth quarter, they need Rubio and Love to play two-man pick-and-roll games. Those games don’t work when the defense doesn’t respect the point guard’s shot.

Love can’t create his own shot, and Rubio can’t make one.

Some of the Wolves’ problems could evaporate. Locker room disagreements occur on good and bad teams. The return of Chase Budinger and Ronny Turiaf from injuries should dramatically improve the bench. Strip away current events, and the Wolves have an excellent coach, a productive star in his prime and a softening schedule.

Rubio is the key. If he becomes an offensive threat, the Wolves could make the playoffs. What’s sad is that he didn’t spend last summer improving his shot, leaving his franchise uncertain it can rely on someone who was supposed to become a franchise player.

Jim Souhan can be heard weekdays at noon and Sundays from 10 to noon on 1500 ESPN. His Twitter name is @SouhanStrib. • jsouhan@startribune.com

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