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playa2
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1/10/2014  7:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2014  7:56 AM
Plz tell me why we don't have the pieces to play with the big boys.

What we need is the right coaching strategy for each game with correct player rotations.

Mike Woodson has to come to the fact it's up to him to know who plays best in each individual game calls for that particular players service.

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gunsnewing
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1/10/2014  7:57 AM
Agreed. Yesterday was a big step

My guess is JR plays on Saturday and shoots us out of the game vs the sixers

ToddTT
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1/10/2014  8:09 AM
I think Woodson needs an app that tells him when a player is cold, and should be taken out of the game.

When they miss a certain number of shots in a row, or their shooting percentage drops below a certain number, bench them.

Make some allowance for other stats. If they get a rebound or make an assist, they get a one minute reprieve. A steal and they earn 90 seconds.

When there are no knuckleheads left to go to on the bench, the app sends an email to the league and the opposing team, forfeiting the game.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
fishmike
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1/10/2014  8:12 AM
our guards arent good enough, or consistent enough. When Felton is playing at a high level and we get some other scoring from the backcour yes.. we can certainly hang with the big boys, but how long does that happen?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
GustavBahler
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1/10/2014  8:13 AM
Tyson being out has opened up the floor for Stat and Bargs but we need him healthy and patrolling the paint. Have to find a happy medium, won't be easy. Im very encouraged about this win against the Heat but I'm still worried about how the pieces fit.
Bonn1997
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1/10/2014  8:18 AM
We gave up almost all our picks and cap space for this roster. If you do that, you should demand at least a .700 team. Is this really what we should have mortgaged the future for?
franco12
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1/10/2014  8:20 AM
we have the pieces- they are just old and ill fitting.
foosballnick
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1/10/2014  8:34 AM
fishmike wrote:our guards arent good enough, or consistent enough. When Felton is playing at a high level and we get some other scoring from the backcour yes.. we can certainly hang with the big boys, but how long does that happen?


This is the essence of the issue with this roster. Although I would narrow it to PG play.

misterearl
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1/10/2014  9:18 AM
Get the point?

foosballnick wrote:
fishmike wrote:our guards arent good enough, or consistent enough. When Felton is playing at a high level and we get some other scoring from the backcour yes.. we can certainly hang with the big boys, but how long does that happen?


This is the essence of the issue with this roster. Although I would narrow it to PG play.

If Raymond Felton drops 14 assists a night we good.

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dk7th
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1/10/2014  9:21 AM
playa2 wrote:Plz tell me why we don't have the pieces to play with the big boys.

What we need is the right coaching strategy for each game with correct player rotations.

Mike Woodson has to come to the fact it's up to him to know who plays best in each individual game calls for that particular players service.

we need to screen for character, not overpay for flawed players who can't mesh with others, and hire a coach who is not compromised from the get-go by ownership and management.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
tkf
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1/10/2014  9:33 AM
we are 13-22, beating the heat doesn't make this roster good... we are 13-22.. The nets have beat some quality teams of late and I still think that team is a mess right now.. no difference with this team that has a worse record than them...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
tkf
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1/10/2014  9:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2014  9:35 AM
dk7th wrote:
playa2 wrote:Plz tell me why we don't have the pieces to play with the big boys.

What we need is the right coaching strategy for each game with correct player rotations.

Mike Woodson has to come to the fact it's up to him to know who plays best in each individual game calls for that particular players service.

we need to screen for character, not overpay for flawed players who can't mesh with others, and hire a coach who is not compromised from the get-go by ownership and management.

then he would never be hired dk.. what you are saying is very true, but we don't do that. we overpay for flawed players who can't mesh with others, and we will hire a coach that is a puppet for ownership and management... it is the way this franchise does things... it is frustrating because you wonder how will that cycle ever end..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
fishmike
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1/10/2014  9:44 AM
tkf wrote:we are 13-22, beating the heat doesn't make this roster good... we are 13-22.. The nets have beat some quality teams of late and I still think that team is a mess right now.. no difference with this team that has a worse record than them...
so when we are 13-22 you are what the record says you are. But if we win 54 games its lucky circumstances and a one-off. OK.. got it. You are truly consistent with your drivel
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StarksEwing1
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1/10/2014  9:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2014  9:49 AM
Look Yesterday was a great win but lets dial it down a little bit. We have a long way to go and a lot to prove. this team ahs the ability to beat good teams BUT they also have teh ability to get destroyed like they ahve been a lot this season.
Allanfan20
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1/10/2014  9:57 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Look Yesterday was a great win but lets dial it down a little bit. We have a long way to go and a lot to prove. this team ahs the ability to beat good teams BUT they also have teh ability to get destroyed like they ahve been a lot this season.

Yup. One game at a time.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
fishmike
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1/10/2014  9:58 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Look Yesterday was a great win but lets dial it down a little bit. We have a long way to go and a lot to prove. this team ahs the ability to beat good teams BUT they also have teh ability to get destroyed like they ahve been a lot this season.
the positive I really walk away with is Amare. Last year his bench contributions were huge. 14ppg off the bench shooting 57% on a team with low % volume shooters is big. He's starting to show some good signs of being an impact guy again. Im not holding out for 25/8 over 35 minutes anymore, but if he can shoot 55% off the bench for 20+ minutes a night that can push the Knicks to another level.

If we could do somethig to upgrade and solidify the backcourt we could put a run together like we saw last year. Shump seems to be looking like we hoped as a rookie and maybe Felton can stay off the doughnuts long enough to give us a good 2nd half

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
misterearl
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1/10/2014  10:00 AM
Line of The Day

maybe Felton can stay off the doughnuts long enough to give us a good 2nd half

14 assists from Felton was a bakers dozen

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MSG3
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1/10/2014  10:29 AM
misterearl wrote:Line of The Day

maybe Felton can stay off the doughnuts long enough to give us a good 2nd half

14 assists from Felton was a bakers dozen

Hate to be a pessimist, but that Felton shows up maybe 2-3 times a year. He'd be a top 10 PG if he played like that every night.

Cartman718
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1/10/2014  10:37 AM
ToddTT wrote:I think Woodson needs an app that tells him when a player is cold, and should be taken out of the game.

When they miss a certain number of shots in a row, or their shooting percentage drops below a certain number, bench them.

Make some allowance for other stats. If they get a rebound or make an assist, they get a one minute reprieve. A steal and they earn 90 seconds.

When there are no knuckleheads left to go to on the bench, the app sends an email to the league and the opposing team, forfeiting the game.

lol agree completely on the app

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
Cartman718
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1/10/2014  10:38 AM
MSG3 wrote:
misterearl wrote:Line of The Day

maybe Felton can stay off the doughnuts long enough to give us a good 2nd half

14 assists from Felton was a bakers dozen

Hate to be a pessimist, but that Felton shows up maybe 2-3 times a year. He'd be a top 10 PG if he played like that every night.

agreed. i really really hope i am wrong on my prediction that fat boy felton will show up in a week's time.

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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