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Finestrg
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12/18/2013 12:51 AM LAST EDITED: 12/18/2013 1:09 AM
http://nypost.com/2013/12/18/knicks-discuss-asik/
Not sure what to make of this. The salary for next year is horrible, I know that. He's still young though (27?) and when he got time with Chicago he produced (about 11 & 12 in 30 mins per). I mean if we could get Isaiah Canaan back in the deal, would you do it? Balloon payment coming up for Asik but he also comes off the cap at the end of next year, so any 2015 rebuilding plan would remain intact... I think I might prefer Asik/Canaan over Lowry for the same type of package. Imperative to get Canaan back in the deal. Or Beverley but I think he's starting for them plus that kid's played well for 2 years now. I doubt he's for sale. We might be able to steal Canaan though. Or Aaron Brooks maybe---much prefer Canaan. Question -- how good is Asik really? If we gave Cole Aldrich 30 mins a night, couldn't he average a double/double? Is Asik that much better than Aldrich? |
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franco12
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12/18/2013 7:42 AM
And Lin is what we need badly right now. Wonder if Melo will reconsider?
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Nalod
Posts: 71329 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
12/18/2013 10:59 AM LAST EDITED: 12/18/2013 11:00 AM
Dudley got tangled up in some very savvy "Bird" rights manipulation (in his favor) and worked the system where you could be with a team for year,even at league minimum and then team has bird rights after a year. Thus, he got a three year $20 mil deal in 1998. Almost 7mil for a back up center who could not shoot a FT. In 1998!!!!
http://knickerblogger.net/unsung-knick-history-the-fight-for-chris-dudley/ |
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knicks1248
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12/18/2013 11:05 AM
They will definitely include felton in any deal
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Finestrg
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12/18/2013 11:49 AM
Think it's safe to assume Cole Aldrich's a better player than Dudley. My question: is he just as good as Omer Asik? We might already have our very own Asik already on the roster. Bottom line -- not sure how much of a difference it would make but this roster has not been used to the fullest and that's on Woody.
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smackeddog
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12/18/2013 11:56 AM LAST EDITED: 12/18/2013 12:01 PM
Finestrg wrote:Think it's safe to assume Cole Aldrich's a better player than Dudley. My question: is he just as good as Omer Asik? We might already have our very own Asik already on the roster. Bottom line -- not sure how much of a difference it would make but this roster has not been used to the fullest and that's on Woody. Asik looked really good last season, but I think that was because of his PG (Lin), Harden's passing and Houston's system. In Chicago they liked him as a good back up C, but said he had hands of stone, couldn't shoot FTs and had no offensive moves at all. That's why he wouldn't work here- we have no PG to compensate by getting him easy passes for dunks. I like him, and he's a good player to have as your center, but he just doesn't make sense here because we have Tyson and no good PG. |
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Finestrg
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12/18/2013 12:09 PM LAST EDITED: 12/18/2013 1:19 PM
smackeddog wrote:Finestrg wrote:Think it's safe to assume Cole Aldrich's a better player than Dudley. My question: is he just as good as Omer Asik? We might already have our very own Asik already on the roster. Bottom line -- not sure how much of a difference it would make but this roster has not been used to the fullest and that's on Woody. This is what I like about possibly making a move with Houston for Asik -- (1) the man's capable of getting double-digit rebounds--it would give us an extra big that's had success at this level, an effective rebounder; (2) it wouldn't interfere with a 2015 rebuild--Asik comes off the cap after next season; (3) if we're smart we figure out a way to get the Rockets to throw Isaiah Canaan into the deal. Tell them it's a must in order to justify taking on $15mm with Asik for 2014...Canaan's the guy I wanted in the draft -- I think he's a better player than THJ & would've been a better pick. Dude's really coming into his own in the D-League. He scores at will and I believe he's leading that league in assists/game, right around 9 per. This kid has more potential than Kyle Lowry I'm thinking and he'd be cheaper over the next few years provided we signed him to a 2-3 yr salary controlled guaranteed deal (to avoid him having one good year and then asking for the moon a-la Jeremy Lin). EDIT: Canaan's actually 3rd in the DL in dimes behind Kendall Marshall and Dee Bost. ---------------------- While I had this going on, very quietly I'd also call up the Pelicans and see if I could steal Pierre Jackson from them somehow. I actually like this little fella even better than Canaan. PJ is playing out of his mind in the DL. He's a man among boys there -- just had a 49 pt game! And this is on the heels of a 43 pt game not too long ago. NY would absolutely love this kid...He's exciting as all get out. Maybe New Orleans is the team we think about trading Chandler to. Get back a pick or 2, maybe another nice young asset, possibly Jackson. Maybe explore both of these options simultaneously. Imagine if we could get Asik along with Canaan and/or maybe a Greg Smith back in one deal and then flip Chandler to NO (a place where he thrived at one point don't forget---they may not want to take on his salary but you never know -- supposedly they're in desperate need of a center and are looking at Frenchman Alexis Ajinca---Chandler would be better than that guy, he'd supply leadership and instant credibility for that young team, he's excelled for that city before, they could play Davis at the 4 when he returns with Chandler 5 and go twin towers, it would allow them to play a Chandler on a guy like Dwight Howard defensively saving Anthony Davis from doing so, etc.) for a few young assets including Pierre Jackson. Then we go out and add a couple of other players from the DL to fill in -- finally call up Jeremy Tyler, sign Chris Douglas-Roberts to fill any void left by Shumpert/THJ if we had to include either in one of these deals, sign a Richard Howell for some extra rebounding, etc....And finally the key -- if we brought in a few new young pieces and Woody refused to show an open mind and play these guys, ****-can his ass on the spot and get someone in here who would. Just let Jimmy Todd take over for the time being until we got the guy we really wanted (unless Todd's really a Woodson guy and chose to leave with him)...This would be my approach -- if we really wanted to, we could execute a few moves and do a very quick overhaul here to get younger and a hell of a lot more exciting. |
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tkf
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12/18/2013 12:42 PM
we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..
But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded. time to move on... we have nothing they want Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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Finestrg
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12/18/2013 12:46 PM LAST EDITED: 12/18/2013 12:52 PM
tkf wrote:we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded. Disagree. I think this could have legs if we pushed it. it makes sense to me, esp. if we were also working on a Tyson Chandler deal at the same time. |
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tkf
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12/18/2013 12:52 PM
Finestrg wrote:tkf wrote:we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded. LOL... did you read, atlanta, and a few other teams are front runners.. they have picks and players that the rockets may want.. can't push what you don't have Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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smackeddog
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12/18/2013 12:57 PM
Finestrg wrote:tkf wrote:we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded. Morey, along with Ujiri is a GM Dolan should be banned from dealing with! It never ends well! |
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Finestrg
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12/18/2013 1:00 PM LAST EDITED: 12/18/2013 1:12 PM
tkf wrote:Finestrg wrote:tkf wrote:we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded. Are you kidding? See this for what it is. That's Berman speculating that we don't have enough -- he doesn't know. All he knows is what a little birdy told him, that the Knicks inquired about Asik. That's it. The statement you highlighted is his own thoughts, not Gospel...He doesn't know what Morey's considering. What if Morey really likes Shumpert or THJ? What if he sees value in getting Artest back for a championship push? You don't know, bro. And neither does Berman.. |