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12/14/2013  11:32 PM
J.R. Smith’s self-imposed freeze-out during Friday’s loss to the Boston Celtics came one day after Smith and head coach Mike Woodson exchanged heated words following Wednesday’s win over the Chicago Bulls, the Daily News has learned.

According to a team source, Woodson admonished Smith for poor shot selection during the Bulls game and then became upset over something Smith said on the bench. Woodson waited until afterward to express his disappointment with Smith’s attitude and reminded the volatile shooting guard that he’s been his strongest advocate for the past two seasons.

“Mike said that after all I’ve done for you I can’t have you talking back to me like that,” the source claimed. The same source added that Smith made a lewd comment that angered Woodson.

During Thursday’s practice, Woodson used the game film from the win over the Bulls to demonstrate moments when Smith forced shots when he could have passed. Smith’s response to Woodson’s coaching lesson was to attempt one shot in 27 minutes against the Boston Celtics.

Prior to Friday, Smith was averaging 11.6 shots per game over 16 games. Smith’s first and only shot attempt came in the fourth quarter when the Knicks were outscored 22-13. Smith, the Knicks’ third-leading scorer, finished with just three points.

When asked about Smith taking just one shot, Woodson told reporters, “I don’t know what that’s about.”

For his part, Smith insisted that he was trying to be a playmaker, not a troublemaker. In fact, Smith made it sound as if he was simply following Woodson’s orders.

On Saturday, J.R. Smith only scores two points against the Hawks.
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On Saturday, J.R. Smith only scores two points against the Hawks.

“I was going into the game trying to make opportunities for my teammates to excel,” he said. “We need playmakers, more than just scorers. My job is to get my teammates the easiest buckets we can and we’re not getting those, so I take it upon myself to sacrifice my shot to get the other guys going. And it might not be the right way, it might be the right way, I don’t know.”

Smith acknowledged that it’s uncommon for him to take just one shot. When asked if that had ever happened before, Smith replied: “Uh… nah. I don’t think so.”

Smith, the NBA’s reigning Sixth Man of the Year, has yet to regain his form after having knee surgery in July. He was also suspended the first five games for violating the NBA’s drug policy. Physically, Smith isn’t close to being where he was last season and his frustration revealed itself on Wednesday.

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Smith and Woodson have had a love-hate relationship similar to the one Jeff Van Gundy shared with John Starks. Van Gundy would be brutally honest with Starks, who normally responded to Van Gundy’s demands by cursing under his breath and leaving everything he had on the floor. Under Van Gundy, Starks was named Sixth Man of the Year in 1996-97.

Smith became Woodson’s pet project two years ago, starting with the head coach demanding that Smith not wear sagging pants to work. This year, their relationship is being tested amid all the losing and the prospect of Woodson being in danger of being replaced.

Two weeks ago, Woodson responded to Smith’s claim that it’s time to push the panic button by joking that he needed to punch Smith in the mouth. Behind the scenes, Woodson was not happy with Smith’s “panic button” comment, which may be the reason Smith conveniently repeated the line after Friday’s loss.

When asked about J.R. Smith taking just one shot against C's, Mike Woodson tells reporters, 'I don’t know what that’s about.'
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When asked about J.R. Smith taking just one shot against C's, Mike Woodson tells reporters, 'I don’t know what that’s about.'

“My panic button has been on,” Smith said.

There is a feeling that Smith’s relationship with Woodson changed in October when the head coach admitted to reporters that Chris Smith’s chances of making the roster were enhanced by being J.R.’s younger brother.

Woodson wanted to add an established veteran to the roster as opposed to the younger Smith, who is currently on the Knicks roster but playing for Erie of the D-League.

Woodson’s comments only fueled the notion that J.R. Smith’s decision to re-sign last summer included a handshake agreement that Chris would also make the team. It also put Chris Smith in an awkward position of defending his place on the team to fans, media and even opposing players.

J.R. Smith seems to have been affected the most by the departures of veterans Jason Kidd, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby. Last month, he cited the Knicks’ lack of leadership as a troubling issue.

Knicks president Steve Mills was hired after the team was put together and now has the unenviable task of trying to upgrade the talent without many assets to trade. Mills, who ran the Garden when the Knicks last reached the NBA Finals in 1999, is no doubt thinking the club needs to get better players and better characters.

Getting Tyson Chandler back from a broken leg will help in several areas. Meanwhile, the Knicks are in talks with the Toronto Raptors about acquiring point guard Kyle Lowry but are opposed to including a 2018 first-round pick in any deal. They also don’t want to include Iman Shumpert or Tim Hardaway Jr. However, if they want Lowry and want Toronto to take back Raymond Felton and Metta World Peace, the Knicks have to include either Shumpert, Hardaway or a future first-round pick.

The feeling is that Mills is against trading away future draft picks since Garden chairman James Dolan included picks in the deal for Carmelo Anthony and Glen Grunwald included picks in last June’s trade for Andrea Bargnani.

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12/14/2013  11:48 PM
Knicks really need to waive Chris. Jr behaving like a child to get back at his coach for criticism if his awful play probably cost the Knicks a win. To play that controlled and to be so conscious of what he was doing to sabotage Woodson should earn a suspension and his brother needs to be waived
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12/15/2013  12:08 AM

Respect and affection for this coach, and front office, would go up 1000% if they cut Smith tomorrow.
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12/15/2013  12:10 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks really need to waive Chris. Jr behaving like a child to get back at his coach for criticism if his awful play probably cost the Knicks a win. To play that controlled and to be so conscious of what he was doing to sabotage Woodson should earn a suspension and his brother needs to be waived

Knicks need to trade JR as well. I think he's more than worn out his welcome here.

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12/15/2013  12:12 AM
I don't feel sorry for Woodson. This is what happens when you let certain players get away with a lot more than they should. Those players lose respect for you and the other players also lose respect for you since you are not even handed in your punishments.
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12/15/2013  12:14 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks really need to waive Chris. Jr behaving like a child to get back at his coach for criticism if his awful play probably cost the Knicks a win. To play that controlled and to be so conscious of what he was doing to sabotage Woodson should earn a suspension and his brother needs to be waived

Knicks need to trade JR as well. I think he's more than worn out his welcome here.

I agree. He seemed like good value for what he signed for. The guy makes a lot of mistakes and that is why he isn't making more. But when you control your play so that your team doesn't win in a vindictive response to your coach's criticism there is no coming back.

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12/15/2013  12:15 AM
Knicks need to find a way to trade jr to Toronto or Utah.
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12/15/2013  7:16 AM
poor poor jr sulking on the bench last night... he musta been so depressed that we won the game
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12/15/2013  9:13 AM
After all Woodson has done for JR to have him throw it all back in his face. I learned my lesson after JR imploded at the end of last season that he can't be trusted. To watch him sulk on the bench last night after we saw some real teamwork and a W speaks volumes to JR's character.
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12/15/2013  9:47 AM
And Woodson starts him the next game?
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12/15/2013  9:59 AM
Something really weird is going on here. JR goes from being 6th man to a total problem child on and off the floor in 6 months makes no sense.
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12/15/2013  9:59 AM
TeamBall wrote:And Woodson starts him the next game?

I hope not. Benching JR in the 4th in favor of a rookie was an important step, regardless. For JR that was a very public diss. Either JR responds by producing or possibly gets shipped out. At least the teflon seems to be wearing thin.

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12/15/2013  10:02 AM
This is why I like Frankie Isola. Tells it like it is without the censorship from Dolan
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12/15/2013  10:03 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
TeamBall wrote:And Woodson starts him the next game?

I hope not. Benching JR in the 4th in favor of a rookie was an important step, regardless. For JR that was a very public diss. Either JR responds by producing or possibly gets shipped out. At least the teflon seems to be wearing thin.


No I mean he did start him the next game. The articles saying this happened at the time of the Celtics game and he started last night against Atlanta. Seeing him benched for Hardaway was a big step though.
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12/15/2013  10:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2013  10:10 AM
TeamBall wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TeamBall wrote:And Woodson starts him the next game?

I hope not. Benching JR in the 4th in favor of a rookie was an important step, regardless. For JR that was a very public diss. Either JR responds by producing or possibly gets shipped out. At least the teflon seems to be wearing thin.


No I mean he did start him the next game. The articles saying this happened at the time of the Celtics game and he started last night against Atlanta. Seeing him benched for Hardaway was a big step though.

My mistake. I couldn't believe he sat JR either. Don't want him treated more harshly than anyone else but at the same time I don't want him unaccountable either. JR was finally held accountable last night.

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12/15/2013  10:14 AM
Negative body language is for losers.

Either keep your head up and be a professional or be gone.

Mike Woodson sends a public message to JRSmith, at home, in The Garden.

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12/15/2013  10:20 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TeamBall wrote:And Woodson starts him the next game?

I hope not. Benching JR in the 4th in favor of a rookie was an important step, regardless. For JR that was a very public diss. Either JR responds by producing or possibly gets shipped out. At least the teflon seems to be wearing thin.


No I mean he did start him the next game. The articles saying this happened at the time of the Celtics game and he started last night against Atlanta. Seeing him benched for Hardaway was a big step though.

My mistake. I couldn't believe he sat JR either. Don't want him treated more harshly than anyone else but at the same time I don't want him unaccountable either. JR was finally held accountable last night.


Those shots of him on the bench at the end of the game did look like something was beginning to sink in. At least I hope so.
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12/15/2013  10:34 AM
This is why you don't give players like JR contracts. They are good on a year to year basis when they are playing for their money. It's embarrassing that you need Kidd, Camby and veteran leadership when you have been in the league this long in order to excel.

(Marbury, Curry, Francis, Smith). Low IQ, low effort players, why can't this team learn, why doesn't this league learn. Being a GM isn't rocket science yet teams continue to employ guys the same bad management and sign the same type of talent year after year.

Woodsen allowed this to happen and he should feel betrayed because he destroyed Shump while allowing Smith to play the way he has been playing.

Sit his ass on the bench, cut his brother and let Hardaway play the whole game.

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12/15/2013  11:02 AM
I don't usually go personal when I disparage a player. I take what I am about to say seriously. I personally think JR is scum in terms of being a sports player. I do not feel sorry for woody putting himself in this situation. I just can not believe how JR is treating the coach who has done so much for him and his family. Woody helped JR and his family at the expense of the Knicks organization and that was not enough. The fact that JR would pull this stunt in a game that could have gotten Woody fired speaks volumes to his character. I hate disloyal people and JR seems like he is only loyal when he gets everything he wants or has more that he wants from you.
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12/15/2013  11:13 AM
Clean wrote:I don't usually go personal when I disparage a player. I take what I am about to say seriously. I personally think JR is scum in terms of being a sports player. I do not feel sorry for woody putting himself in this situation. I just can not believe how JR is treating the coach who has done so much for him and his family. Woody helped JR and his family at the expense of the Knicks organization and that was not enough. The fact that JR would pull this stunt in a game that could have gotten Woody fired speaks volumes to his character. I hate disloyal people and JR seems like he is only loyal when he gets everything he wants or has more that he wants from you.
I think you are spot on. I also think Woodson was able to get more out of JR despite his character issues than any other coach so when he flamed out it was even harder to figure out. Waive his brother and trade him to Toronto, Utah or Charlotte.
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