DO WE LOSE HIS BIRD RIGHTS or the ability to pay him a starting salary of 25m+ if he opts out this year
It has never actually been done before, but could be a loophole to the NEW CBA, or do we have to rescind his early bird rights, therefore lose the ability to pay him that type of money the following year?

If we cannot do something like this, I think we pay Melo in the range of 12-15m at most with player options to opt out the following year, then what would be the max we would be able to pay him?
Problem is, going this route, I think we might lose the MINI MLE as we would be under the cap if he opts out, then over the cap *depending on how much we can pay him* we might be able to get the MLE, and in 2015, the room exemption that started it all for JR's career here, something we would have to do once again

I actually think Melo is worth about 12m per year at his age for his next contract
Unless he improves his FG%, with the way he has been reounding as the norm, and either is a much better 1v1 defender or average 5-6 assist per game

Also, I noticed players in GENERAL, play better when on shorter contracts like 2 year, maybe a TEAM option for years 3
For instance, Sessions, Bayless *although not having a good year so far*, JR's first 2 years here *with the 2nd being last season*,
Because the players remember they must have to continue to develop their game/ work in the gym, and play at a high level for their NEXT contract
On top of this, it would just make sense financially, without having to have a set salary, IF ANYTHING goes bad or sour like we have multiple injuries with our roster, with ACL or something of that nature in terms of rehab/surgery...

And no way he signs a one year deal, not a loophole, just wont happen.

EnySpree wrote:Role players are the only guys signing 2 year deals. Makes you wonder why owners don't stick together and only offer short deals. 5 years should be the limit.

The reason why owners dont offer small deals to prime players is because they dont want them to leave as they are hard to get.

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Role players are the only guys signing 2 year deals. Makes you wonder why owners don't stick together and only offer short deals. 5 years should be the limit.

5 years in this CBA is the limit if you stay with your own team...4 if you leave....it used to be 6 and 5 respectively, with S&T's getting 6 max as well.

The reason why owners dont offer small deals to prime players is because they dont want them to leave as they are hard to get.

True... but in the event that you want to go in a different direction owner's screw themselves.

Just curious.

misterearl wrote:Is there anyone here who wants to take a big pay cut for the work they are doing?

Just curious.

answerman: unless someone's value has seriously diminished or the money is not there from any interested sources then no, of course.

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knickscity wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Role players are the only guys signing 2 year deals. Makes you wonder why owners don't stick together and only offer short deals. 5 years should be the limit.

5 years in this CBA is the limit if you stay with your own team...4 if you leave....it used to be 6 and 5 respectively, with S&T's getting 6 max as well.

The reason why owners dont offer small deals to prime players is because they dont want them to leave as they are hard to get.

True... but in the event that you want to go in a different direction owner's screw themselves.

How so?

Amare Stoudamire

misterearl wrote:Is there anyone here who wants to take a big pay cut for the work they are doing?

Just curious.

Well it's likely no one here stands to gain from their company's potential success as much as Melo would, so that's not a fair argument. A championship for Melo would increase his brand, reputation, and earnings immensely as it would largely reflect back on him. On the other hand, if you perform well and your company sees greater returns as a result, then unless you are a high level manager or Chief Officer it's very unlikely you will reap the same kind of rewards Melo would.

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:I know Melo is eligible for a 25m+ extension and we hold his bird rights

my question is, if he opts in for next season, and when his contract expires after,
IF HE is willing to take to pay cut to recruit top FA's, can we reward him by giving him a near max extension after?

or

by taking a pay cut, does Melo and the Knick's lose the ability to to pay him more than whatever he contract was at, for instance,

if he took 10m in 2015 with player options, can we reward him with a 25m x 4 contract the year after in 2016

I am not asking IF Melo can do it or if he would do it, I am asking if it works under the CBA or not

Papabear Says

If Melo take a pay cut why can't Amare retire and then come back a MSG coach or employee and make half of the money. You can't expect for Melo to take a pay cut and Amare just sit on the bench making 22 million dollars. That ain't fair either.

Papa Bear, I think you are misinterpreting what I meant
I am not talking Melo to opt out this summer to take less money
I am talking about in 2015 Papa Bear, I don't think Melo should opt out this summer for then benefit of the Knicks
Amare's contract is guaranteed to 2015, with Chandler, and AB, as well, according to hoopshype
Maybe Hoopshype is wrong and Amare can opt out with Melo this summer, but I don't think Amare would do it because he will have no shot in making 8 figures ($10,000,000 range) guaranteed with his injuries

In my opinion, in order for Knick's to build around Melo, we need significant upgrades in many positions and talents, he will likely have to recruit players and possibly take less with player options

I don't think Melo is worth 25m + at an extension for this summer and in 2015 for the Knicks
We need the cap space/flexibility in the summer of 2015 when all of our major contracts ends, and our GM, President of Operations, Management/Dolan, and COACH must work together in building a core with FA's, draft picks, vet min players, mini MLE *this summer*, and young players that have upside/potential with some maybe being undrafted or currently developing
Like the next Tony Wrotten for Philly right now....
Working together, management, must come up with a plan to attract and built FA's that would be able to FIT together, to run a system/philosophy, to the strengths of the players/team that would actually work on both OFFENSE and DEFENSE

If Anthony opts out this summer and we are forced to either let him walk or pay him 20m+
I think we are better of letting him walk, because we will not have the cap space/flexibility to be able to build a team around him, to be contenders to compete against many teams, especially contenders
We would be stuck in mediocrity, with little draft picks, and cap space to improve, similar to the 10 years after our 99 run,

I am thinking in the best interest for the Knick's future with MELO

East
==========

The Pacers/Heat *likely favorites in East for the next couple of years,

and

with the development and improvement of teams like

Washington
Orlando
Cleveland
Detroit
Philly

not even putting in Bulls and Nets, in the discussion either

West
=======
OKC/ Houston as the favorites but The Clippers/SA, Blazers, Memphis, GS, Nuggets, even Dallas, are not far behind in terms of talent and potential

Most importantly, we would be unable to surround him with the talent needed for him to be a contender
However, if he takes less money for 1 year, anywhere from 8-15m range, and then opt out in 2016, we would be able to reward him with an extension to make up for the money he could take less in 2015 that I am anticipating for the better of the Knick's

RonRon wrote:

Papabear wrote:

RonRon wrote:I know Melo is eligible for a 25m+ extension and we hold his bird rights

my question is, if he opts in for next season, and when his contract expires after,
IF HE is willing to take to pay cut to recruit top FA's, can we reward him by giving him a near max extension after?

or

by taking a pay cut, does Melo and the Knick's lose the ability to to pay him more than whatever he contract was at, for instance,

if he took 10m in 2015 with player options, can we reward him with a 25m x 4 contract the year after in 2016

I am not asking IF Melo can do it or if he would do it, I am asking if it works under the CBA or not

Papabear Says

If Melo take a pay cut why can't Amare retire and then come back a MSG coach or employee and make half of the money. You can't expect for Melo to take a pay cut and Amare just sit on the bench making 22 million dollars. That ain't fair either.

Papa Bear, I think you are misinterpreting what I meant
I am not talking Melo to opt out this summer to take less money
I am talking about in 2015 Papa Bear, I don't think Melo should opt out this summer for then benefit of the Knicks
Amare's contract is guaranteed to 2015, with Chandler, and AB, as well, according to hoopshype
Maybe Hoopshype is wrong and Amare can opt out with Melo this summer, but I don't think Amare would do it because he will have no shot in making 8 figures ($10,000,000 range) guaranteed with his injuries

In my opinion, in order for Knick's to build around Melo, we need significant upgrades in many positions and talents, he will likely have to recruit players and possibly take less with player options

I don't think Melo is worth 25m + at an extension for this summer and in 2015 for the Knicks
We need the cap space/flexibility in the summer of 2015 when all of our major contracts ends, and our GM, President of Operations, Management/Dolan, and COACH must work together in building a core with FA's, draft picks, vet min players, mini MLE *this summer*, and young players that have upside/potential with some maybe being undrafted or currently developing
Like the next Tony Wrotten for Philly right now....
Working together, management, must come up with a plan to attract and built FA's that would be able to FIT together, to run a system/philosophy, to the strengths of the players/team that would actually work on both OFFENSE and DEFENSE

If Anthony opts out this summer and we are forced to either let him walk or pay him 20m+
I think we are better of letting him walk, because we will not have the cap space/flexibility to be able to build a team around him, to be contenders to compete against many teams, especially contenders
We would be stuck in mediocrity, with little draft picks, and cap space to improve, similar to the 10 years after our 99 run,

I am thinking in the best interest for the Knick's future with MELO

East
==========

The Pacers/Heat *likely favorites in East for the next couple of years,

and

with the development and improvement of teams like

Washington
Orlando
Cleveland
Detroit
Philly

not even putting in Bulls and Nets, in the discussion either

West
=======
OKC/ Houston as the favorites but The Clippers/SA, Blazers, Memphis, GS, Nuggets, even Dallas, are not far behind in terms of talent and potential

Most importantly, we would be unable to surround him with the talent needed for him to be a contender
However, if he takes less money for 1 year, anywhere from 8-15m range, and then opt out in 2016, we would be able to reward him with an extension to make up for the money he could take less in 2015 that I am anticipating for the better of the Knick's

Ron he is not taking a pay cut, and whats in the best interest of the knicks is to trade him... point blank.