We need to do something.

Continue to start Beno with Shump for now.... let Toure Murry play. Sit Priggy. Find more time for hardaway.

Should be the THJR/Murry backcourt if you want some run and gun and some D. I'm down with that.

nixluva wrote:You all know my stance...

FREE MURRY!!!

The kid can't get a feel for the pro game if they never let him play. It's not like he's ever looked bad in SL or any spot duty. He looks a bit too timid but a coach can change that with giving him a vote of confidence. That's what MDA did with Lin. Just let him know he won't be yanked after one mistake.

RonRon wrote:I always thought Iman and Murry would work well together for defensive purposes, as they like to put pressure on opponents and can rotate well enough

but

Woodson is just too stubborn to even give Murry and Alrich a chance to prove themselves, despite our need for a spark

JR just isn't physically there yet

and

Tim Hardaway JR is just too trigger happy, while not being an even average defender

My guess is that Murry will get PT the next time a PG goes down for more than a game or two or before then. The question is how he will be treated once he starts playing and how much slack will Woodson cut him?

What Murry might have going in his favor is that he gave up an opportunity to join the Heat and a much better shot at a ring to play for Woodson in NY. That might engender a little more goodwill than say Copeland got, at least I hope it does.

Haven't seen anything from Cole but a live body to give some fouls. Its early in the season, he could be insurance like Murry for another spate of injuries. We'll see.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:You all know my stance...

FREE MURRY!!!

The kid can't get a feel for the pro game if they never let him play. It's not like he's ever looked bad in SL or any spot duty. He looks a bit too timid but a coach can change that with giving him a vote of confidence. That's what MDA did with Lin. Just let him know he won't be yanked after one mistake.

I thought D'Antoni wanted to cut Lin and Jordan and Grunwald sent them to Erie instead. Lin blew up with minutes there and then started getting playing time.

That's your warped view of events. What happened was that MDA had his Assistant Kenny Atkinson, who was TASKED with teaching New Knicks guards how to run MDA's system, working with Lin since day one. Lin even singled out Atkinson for his extra work with him. They felt he needed more actual game experience to get acclimated more quickly and since there weren't enough practice days and unlike Murry, Lin didn't have a training camp with MDA to have learned the system, this all made sense to get him games in the D League. I think you WANT to believe that MDA didn't want to play Lin, but it was a matter of the schedule being so tight, with games coming fast and furious and no time to actually work with Lin who came in after camp. Lin said that he was initially not happy about the D League stint, but then he realized that it really helped him get comfortable with the offense. OF course any coach who hasn't seen a player play is going to be hesitant to play him. Lin was not a focus early on because he came in late and they were pressed trying to make it work with TD.

With regard to Hill, that was just a bad set of circumstances for Hill. He did in fact come into SL out of shape and not playing well, then he didn't really hustle in Training Camp and that left a bad impression on MDA. His being traded was really up to Walsh tho. They had things they wanted to do with the cap and Hill was a victim.

What i'll say in synopsis of this view you have about MDA is that in his career MDA has been one of the top coaches to get great production out of previously unknown NBA players and scrubs. SO this idea that he's unwilling to play guys that others would is unsupported by the evidence. Even how he's doing in LA now is further proof of his ability to work with low level NBA players and journeymen. No coach has been able to get more mid level players PAID than MDA.

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If you want MurrY then Woodsons gotta go

Murry will get some PT unless he's traded as part of a deal to upgrade the team. I have no doubt he will get some burn at some point, hopefully sooner rather than later. What happens after that, depends on how well Murry plays and how much time Woodson gives him to crack the rotation.

I'm just worried because Woody doesn't seem like the kind of coach that can teach Murry what he needs to know in order to excel. Woody has no track record for helping guards play better. It's all on Murry to figure it out with an awful offensive scheme and no help from his coach, plus some black holes on the court to boot.