1. Pontificating on the relationships between the players, coaches, staff, and owner. - Why the hell do you guys start going off on tangents about the relationships between these guys? It's like some of you are sitting around imagining the Knicks as the Real Housewives of MSG, instead of focusing on what they are doing on the court. We will NEVER know what these guys talk about and decide outside the MSG offices, and we only get a tiny birds-eye view of what goes on in the practices and in the locker room. The next time you start a post talking about a relationship, call yourself a mitch, calm the hell down, and set your DVR to record a game, so the next time you feel like telling us that Melo gets his ass sucked by Dolan, you can rewatch a game and analyze some game play. Hell, even watch the bench the whole game to see how they react and comment on that, since that is actually important to the game.

2. Whining. - Seriously, some of you are here just to complain. We win, you're silent, we lose, you show up to throw it in everyone's face. I realize this is something that occurred when you were watching the Knicks suck for a decade and you lost your positivity, but still. Come on. That's mitch material. I have to imagine these same contributors keeping their mouth closed when their wife makes a truly excellent sandwich, then complaining when the crust is burnt on an apple pie. Only a mitch steps away from a divorce would do that. Advice to those mitches, stop being an NBA "fan", or close shop here, and silently head to a Heat forum for life. At least that way you will learn to be a positive fan, start complementing your wife, and stop being a Knicks mitch. It could save your marriage, and would save this forum's watchers from a lot of needless trollful typing.

3. Talking about the fans. - In every heated debate, inevitably by page 4, the subject of the cost of the tickets and the "fans" comes up. I went to a number of games last season, and here's what you need to know about this. NY has the highest population in the country. As well, thanks to Long Island, Connecticut, Wall Street, and the Upper East Side, it also has one of the highest populations of "I have so much money because I inherited it or it's all I think about" douchebags in the country. Combine that population with the Mecca of professional basketball, and you have a garden filled to the brim every game, regardless of the record. This is also a city of schemers and quick-buck wannabes who buy the season tickets knowing damn well that even if the Knicks fall off, the garden is within a half-mile/10 minute subway ride radius of almost every one of the millions of tourists who come here to NYC from around the world who take a picture with their BFF with their back to the knicks logo at midcourt, facebook, tweet, instagram, and web-f**k the hell out of that photo, and their friends and relatives love them a little more for it and are envious, regardless of what the team is doing. Those people buy tickets and fill seats... A LOT of them.. regardless of record, more when the tickets are cheaper because they are losing. Bottom line, the garden will sell out regardless. Your mitch musings on this are falling on deaf ears.

We, the Knicks faithful, are such a small minority of Knicks "fans" - we need to come to terms with this and stop worrying about what the other 98% of Knicks fans think about the team. Why? Because none of them know Tyson's salary, or that the Knicks don't have a draft pick next year, or dick about the salary cap or CBA, or that Mills is the new president. What do they know? Melo is awesome, the Nets look awesome, not sure I like those orange jerseys, Knicks fans hate Dolan so I do too, if I get a chance to go to a game this year I'm going. That's it. Read that back to yourself if you need some more self-realization. You know this in your heart, because you tried to jump into a conversation at work, mentioned Pablo's ability to steal the ball after a made basket and how it impacts close games, and their eyes glossed over and they looked at you a second too long before saying "Yea, true." When you walked away feeling better about yourself in that exchange, everyone else thought you were a mitch. Here, you're free to share those musings and we will happily reply and encourage you. Don't ruin it being a forum mitch, ok?

Why do I go through the trouble, knowing full well that the same mitches I'm complaining about are going to troll this post with snarky comments and wise-ass cracks at me personally, not knowing anything about my motives or... well... me? (Which brings up another mitch move, personal attacks on each other. - Come on mitches, get along.) Because if you are a faithful like me (FAITH - FULL - even when being rational feels better), do us all a favor and when you see a mitch being a mitch for one of the above reasons, call him out, or better yet, don't say anything at all. Just pretend it didn't happen. These mitches are just asking for our replies, same way the cats call each out on Real Housewives of Orange County, same way these mitches ask for their wives to call them a'holes everyday by doing a'hole things. Leave them alone, and maybe, just maybe, this forum will get better. I'm hoping we can do it, but we need your help.

Knicks fan for life. It's all I know.

And seriously, who's this Mitch guy?

skeng wrote:And seriously, who's this Mitch guy?

Trust me, noone wants to be a Mitch.

MaTT4281 wrote:

skeng wrote:And seriously, who's this Mitch guy?

Trust me, noone wants to be a Mitch.

YUP! Haha! Nicely done Matt. That's exactly right. That should be our unofficial meme for a while. Can you add those words to that image, Kanye to Jimmy Kimmel style?

skeng wrote:
And I'm in no corner. What are the corners to choose from?

Whether to do the stuff of mitches as described in my pseudo-diatribe, or to go the way of the thoughtful forum contributor.

skeng wrote:
If I didn't feel what way?

Like jrodmc. See his reply to the initial post.

Nalod wrote:
Good post. I love a good "Im freaking out of here rant"! Im not knocking it, I actually agree with much of it. The only part is "the mecca" thing.

The Mecca is In Boston or In LakerLand for the NBA. For college, the days when the NIT ruled is long gone. When the NIT meant someting is when this was a Mecca. The Mecca is in North Carolina where NC State, Duke and UNC collide and Wake Forest is just down the road a bit..... Or in Kentucky where it moves from Louisville to Lexington......Or IN Indiana where there are many excellent teams..........

Between to dominance of UCLA and the Lakers thru the decades one might say L.A. could have it?

Well, I guess it is the self-proclaimed Mecca, you're right there. I bet there are more NBA followers here than anywhere else, more dreaming kids than anywhere else, and back in the day the garden was the brightest lights for guys from every team. This was and is the place where the game becomes more of a show than a game more often than not, even if that sucks for us fanatics.

JohnStarksFan wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good post. I love a good "Im freaking out of here rant"! Im not knocking it, I actually agree with much of it. The only part is "the mecca" thing.

The Mecca is In Boston or In LakerLand for the NBA. For college, the days when the NIT ruled is long gone. When the NIT meant someting is when this was a Mecca. The Mecca is in North Carolina where NC State, Duke and UNC collide and Wake Forest is just down the road a bit..... Or in Kentucky where it moves from Louisville to Lexington......Or IN Indiana where there are many excellent teams..........

Between to dominance of UCLA and the Lakers thru the decades one might say L.A. could have it?

Well, I guess it is the self-proclaimed Mecca, you're right there. I bet there are more NBA followers here than anywhere else, more dreaming kids than anywhere else, and back in the day the garden was the brightest lights for guys from every team. This was and is the place where the game becomes more of a show than a game more often than not, even if that sucks for us fanatics.

And even still, the immortals from MJ to Kobe to LeQ still talk about the size of the stage, and it's impact on the game. LA can keep Jack and Diane.
What other arena was important enough for the commissioner to step in personally and clean up the all the sh-IT?

We talkin bout Indiana? Indiana?

jrodmc wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good post. I love a good "Im freaking out of here rant"! Im not knocking it, I actually agree with much of it. The only part is "the mecca" thing.

The Mecca is In Boston or In LakerLand for the NBA. For college, the days when the NIT ruled is long gone. When the NIT meant someting is when this was a Mecca. The Mecca is in North Carolina where NC State, Duke and UNC collide and Wake Forest is just down the road a bit..... Or in Kentucky where it moves from Louisville to Lexington......Or IN Indiana where there are many excellent teams..........

Between to dominance of UCLA and the Lakers thru the decades one might say L.A. could have it?

Well, I guess it is the self-proclaimed Mecca, you're right there. I bet there are more NBA followers here than anywhere else, more dreaming kids than anywhere else, and back in the day the garden was the brightest lights for guys from every team. This was and is the place where the game becomes more of a show than a game more often than not, even if that sucks for us fanatics.

And even still, the immortals from MJ to Kobe to LeQ still talk about the size of the stage, and it's impact on the game. LA can keep Jack and Diane.
What other arena was important enough for the commissioner to step in personally and clean up the all the sh-IT?

We talkin bout Indiana? Indiana?

Yes, Indiana.

The size of the stage don't mean the show is any good. "Mecca" to me is where the standard of excellence is achieved.

How many National Championships have been played in NYC in the last half century? How many teams hail from NYC that have won national championships? How many Pro Teams from NYC won championships?

So what defines the city as "The Mecca"? Defend the city as such? Make the arguement or use someone elses. Why is NYC the Mecca?

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

JohnStarksFan wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good post. I love a good "Im freaking out of here rant"! Im not knocking it, I actually agree with much of it. The only part is "the mecca" thing.

The Mecca is In Boston or In LakerLand for the NBA. For college, the days when the NIT ruled is long gone. When the NIT meant someting is when this was a Mecca. The Mecca is in North Carolina where NC State, Duke and UNC collide and Wake Forest is just down the road a bit..... Or in Kentucky where it moves from Louisville to Lexington......Or IN Indiana where there are many excellent teams..........

Between to dominance of UCLA and the Lakers thru the decades one might say L.A. could have it?

Well, I guess it is the self-proclaimed Mecca, you're right there. I bet there are more NBA followers here than anywhere else, more dreaming kids than anywhere else, and back in the day the garden was the brightest lights for guys from every team. This was and is the place where the game becomes more of a show than a game more often than not, even if that sucks for us fanatics.

And even still, the immortals from MJ to Kobe to LeQ still talk about the size of the stage, and it's impact on the game. LA can keep Jack and Diane.
What other arena was important enough for the commissioner to step in personally and clean up the all the sh-IT?

We talkin bout Indiana? Indiana?

Yes, Indiana.

The size of the stage don't mean the show is any good. "Mecca" to me is where the standard of excellence is achieved.

How many National Championships have been played in NYC in the last half century? How many teams hail from NYC that have won national championships? How many Pro Teams from NYC won championships?

So what defines the city as "The Mecca"? Defend the city as such? Make the arguement or use someone elses. Why is NYC the Mecca?

The arguments were made for why it's called that, size of the stage, bright spotlights, showmanship, pressure, history as stage for ballers, tough crowd, tough fan base, city full of ballers, etc, though I think we both agree it doesn't necessarily fit. Melo is being very vocal about bringing a championship here, that's a big statement and comes with a ton of pressure. We should support and so should the front office. Let's see what plays out.

I'm a Knicks die hard fan. I will call them out when I see things are wrong. I never waver being a fan. I love going to the games. I can see that we have problems this season and hope we work them out.If we do or don't it won't make me love the team less. I hope we win in Atlanta. I think we will. We should never give up hope. Keep hope alive.