StarksEwing1 wrote:Toronto must be laughing at us. They were basically begging teams to take him for nothing and we gave them 3 picks including a 1st

I think Bargs is OK its the SL that has no chemistry

BRIGGS wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Toronto must be laughing at us. They were basically begging teams to take him for nothing and we gave them 3 picks including a 1st

I think Bargs is OK its the SL that has no chemistry

start Felton, Shump, Metta, Melo, and Chandler. Shump can guard the better perimeter player, and Metta can take the more physical forward. you stash Melo on whoever the worst of the 3 is, and get the offense going with the PnR and with Melo.

Bargnani is best fit to be a backup C on this team. let the chemistry develop over time with him and Melo and see what happens, but right now, its silly starting him. couldn't agree more.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Toronto must be laughing at us. They were basically begging teams to take him for nothing and we gave them 3 picks including a 1st

yep

knickscity wrote:You cant have two guys who need shots to get going in the same lineup.

Neither melo or bargnani are efficient enough to hit their first couple of shots regularly....they both need volume to get going.

I thought bargs was supposed to create space...all I see is turnovers.

You know you still have to run a legit NBA offense. You can't just throw guys together without a plan. You need to still have ball and player movement and they have to be in sync. Felton is not a very good floor general and so if you start Bargs then you better run sets that will help Felton where he is weak. Basically you want to run a set like "Horns" where you can make things simple for Felton and the bigs don't bang into each other not knowing where to be.

I don't know what new sets Woody has this team trying to run but they're very poorly executed. The Knicks very rarely get a great look for Melo out of their sets. I don't know if it's Melo or Woody or what, but too often Melo ends up with a low % shot. That's poor coaching IMO. As a coach you have to make it clear to Melo what shots you want him taking and make it possible with the sets you run. None of our plays seem to lead to great shots for Melo. He's having to work too hard for every single shot, which is not smart BB.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:You cant have two guys who need shots to get going in the same lineup.

Neither melo or bargnani are efficient enough to hit their first couple of shots regularly....they both need volume to get going.

I thought bargs was supposed to create space...all I see is turnovers.

You know you still have to run a legit NBA offense. You can't just throw guys together without a plan. You need to still have ball and player movement and they have to be in sync. Felton is not a very good floor general and so if you start Bargs then you better run sets that will help Felton where he is weak. Basically you want to run a set like "Horns" where you can make things simple for Felton and the bigs don't bang into each other not knowing where to be.

I don't know what new sets Woody has this team trying to run but they're very poorly executed. The Knicks very rarely get a great look for Melo out of their sets. I don't know if it's Melo or Woody or what, but too often Melo ends up with a low % shot. That's poor coaching IMO. As a coach you have to make it clear to Melo what shots you want him taking and make it possible with the sets you run. None of our plays seem to lead to great shots for Melo. He's having to work too hard for every single shot, which is not smart BB.

It aint the system or the sets.

Jmpasq wrote:Some of you put up good suggestions for the offense the problem is no matter what when the game is on the line Melo wil revert to Melo and he will be chucking 25 footers at the basket.

we didn't lose last night because Melo is inefficient during crunch time. We lost because we let the other team double us up in the first quarter.

We took on way too much salary, cap space/flexability, solid role players, draft picks, and that is why we are unable to build around Melo with the quality players needed

Look at what Harden and CP3 were acquired for, they didn't take on 40-60m in salaries and poor contracts that hinders their ability to still build a team around them with cap space alone
Instead we gave up the cap space, multiple draft picks, and players that had much higher value than what they were traded for

We overpayed for a want and not a need, that is why we have had to continue to overpay in trades for flawed players and vet min like contractsh

To spit with Melo, we need many quality players
We need a SF/PF with guard skills, ability to score inside and out, good speed snd athletisicm rebound, and the ability to defend 2-3 positions

A PG that can demand the trust and respect of Melo that can be a lockdown defender, play on and off the ball, hit a wide open 3pter, and penetrate and facilitate at a high efficient rate
Someone like CP3, at least a Jrue Holiday

A young Shawn Marion would be ideal, had we kept Wilson Chandler or Gallo, we would still have a chance to build a team with the right players to implement a philosophy that would work
Others like Battum, Parsons

2 PF/C, one that can play great team DEF with supreme mobility, athleticism, length, can score 1v1 down low and hit a 17 footer effectively

Another stretch 4/5 that can also defend and rebound at a efficient rate...

However all these type of players are rare skill sets that cost more than the average player salary
With JR, Iman, and Hardaway JR, we have 3 players that play the same position
We likely would need to trade one of these players for a SF/PF or a upgrade at PG

On top of all this we still have to wait till 2015 to retool, without overpaying for talent, especially for Melo
But getting some of the pieces now would allow us to fill in the holes in order to build a team, with the players needed to build a philosophy that would actually work vs playoff caliber teams
As of right now, we are a 3pt shooting team with many holes as a team