[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Mike Woodson please put melo back at 4
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 5  1  2  3 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/26/2013  7:40 PM
Just watching tape again. Melo looks very uncomfortable w bargs. Melo was a superstar last year at 4 and we. Won 54 games. Must go back to this. Either move attest or jr into sl move bargs back to 2 unit and play Brno as the 2unit. Sg. Not ph. He makes too many mistakes. He's a good player but he needs to be with Pablo or ray. Carmelo in unit 1 as a 4. Opens up everything. Please consider
RIP Crushalot😞
AUTOADVERT
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
10/26/2013  7:43 PM
I think melo spent the offseason slimming down and getting ready to play the 3. I think Woodson starts out big and may go back to melo at the 4.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39935
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049
10/26/2013  7:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2013  7:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Just watching tape again. Melo looks very uncomfortable w bargs. Melo was a superstar last year at 4 and we. Won 54 games. Must go back to this. Either move attest or jr into sl move bargs back to 2 unit and play Brno as the 2unit. Sg. Not ph. He makes too many mistakes. He's a good player but he needs to be with Pablo or ray. Carmelo in unit 1 as a 4. Opens up everything. Please consider

I don't think Melo's success last year has as much to do with the position he played, but the spacing he had being surrounded by three other three point shooters. The bottom line is that Bargs has to start hitting shots. Also, the ball movement hasn't been as crisp as it was at the start of last season. I'm seeing guy stake a lot of quick jumpers.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
MaTT4281
Posts: 34909
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #538
USA
10/26/2013  8:21 PM
Agreed BRIGGS, the team was very successful going small ball last year, and this summer's acquisitions only add to that:

Crowded backcourt - let JR or Shump play minutes at the 3, let Felton/Prigs/Beno alternate in the 2 PG lineup, get Metta into the game and let him switch with Melo on D to avoid some of that pounding down low, play Bargs at C for limited stretches when Tyson's out - maybe when KMart is playing along side him at the 4?

Team seemed to have found a nice identity last year. Having the ability to go big is great for certain matchups, but no reason to go back just for the sake of being traditional.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
10/26/2013  8:27 PM
I am worried about Melo's shoulder. I know he has rehabbed it but my personal experience has been that it comes and goes with that injury unless you have surgery. It seems like playing him at the four might increase the chance of aggravating it.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
yellowboy90
Posts: 33942
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/23/2011
Member: #3538
10/26/2013  9:11 PM
How is this different from the rotation thread? Stop the overreaction.
IronWillGiroud
Posts: 25207
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/17/2012
Member: #4359
10/27/2013  12:42 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:How is this different from the rotation thread? Stop the overreaction.

LoLz

bargs need to bang the second unit,

too soft on d, ain't about dat dat,

mwp @ 3 gives you the filthy muscle and you scare people,

bargs comes in because it takes him extra time to warm up his brain, bargs comes in and he takes a jog all over the other bums--- drops buckets,

this is the only way

The Will, check out the Official Home of Will's GameDay Art: http://tinyurl.com/thewillgameday
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
10/27/2013  8:49 AM
Melo needs to play the 4......

..........off the bench!!!!!!

So:
Melo can't play with Amare
Melo can't play with Bargnani


Who's next Artest?
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
10/27/2013  8:57 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Melo needs to play the 4......

..........off the bench!!!!!!

So:
Melo can't play with Amare
Melo can't play with Bargnani


Who's next Artest?


People say Melo needs another big scorer but he can't play well with other players who need the ball.
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
10/27/2013  9:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/27/2013  9:04 AM
Yea that's interesting. He plays better with James White and Ronnie brewer. And now maybe Artest. Then he singlehandedly carries us to 50wins and we get smoked again in the playoffs.

Melo needs a 2nd gun. It's on Woodson to make it worth between him and bargnani

I think Melo and Woodson realize this and that's why Bargnani is in there
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
10/27/2013  9:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/27/2013  9:05 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea that's interesting. He plays better with James White and Ronnie brewer. And now maybe Artest. Then he singlehandedly carries us to 50wins and we get smoked again in the playoffs.

Melo needs a 2nd gun. It's on Woodson to make it worth between him and bargnani

I think Melo and Woodson realize this and that's why Bargnani is in there


Well Melo needs to be the 2nd gun and to accept that role.
But that isn't happening any time soon obviously.
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
10/27/2013  9:13 AM
It doesn't matter. I can be the top gun with a really good 2nd vice versa whatever. The bottom line is he hasn't had that player. Amare is done. Hopefully Bargnani plays well enough offensively
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
10/27/2013  9:16 AM
What about Iverson?
Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
10/27/2013  9:16 AM
Melo still is pretty much the 4. Only difference is he is guarding 3s which will be better for his long term health. Bargnani plays more of a 3 on offense than Brewer ever did. Melo is still in the same role as last season.
gunsnewing
Posts: 55076
Alba Posts: 5
Joined: 2/24/2002
Member: #215
USA
10/27/2013  9:30 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:What about Iverson?

At the time I thought it was crazy to pair Melo up with Iverson but they both played well. That pair wasn't winning a ring in the west though
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
10/27/2013  9:50 AM
Please cut Chris Smith

The whole episode creates a rain cloud over Steve Mills and the upcoming season

When it rains, it pours.

once a knick always a knick
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
10/27/2013  10:23 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:What about Iverson?

At the time I thought it was crazy to pair Melo up with Iverson but they both played well. That pair wasn't winning a ring in the west though


His efficiency wasn't really any different then though. His FG% was higher because he took fewer 3s and more 2s but that's the only change.
People talk like he's had the misfortune of being on bad teams but he's had his share of all-star, Olympian, and even MVP candidate teammates.
callmened
Posts: 24448
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/26/2012
Member: #4234
10/27/2013  10:42 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Just watching tape again. Melo looks very uncomfortable w bargs. Melo was a superstar last year at 4 and we. Won 54 games. Must go back to this. Either move attest or jr into sl move bargs back to 2 unit and play Brno as the 2unit. Sg. Not ph. He makes too many mistakes. He's a good player but he needs to be with Pablo or ray. Carmelo in unit 1 as a 4. Opens up everything. Please consider

Ive agreed with this from day 1 and heres why:
- knicks had lots of success with Melo at the 4..the formula WORKS!
- i have concerns with playing too many "weak" defensive players (melo-3/bargs-4). instead start artest for some toughness and balance
- Bargs has to earn it with EFFORT (which i dont see). it makes sense to play bargs with melo IF hes HITTING LONG distance shots...but hes not
- less pressure on bargs in the 2nd unit. he strikes me as a mentally fragile guy who needs coddling. dont want the garden booing him already

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/27/2013  10:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/27/2013  10:59 AM
callmened wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Just watching tape again. Melo looks very uncomfortable w bargs. Melo was a superstar last year at 4 and we. Won 54 games. Must go back to this. Either move attest or jr into sl move bargs back to 2 unit and play Brno as the 2unit. Sg. Not ph. He makes too many mistakes. He's a good player but he needs to be with Pablo or ray. Carmelo in unit 1 as a 4. Opens up everything. Please consider

Ive agreed with this from day 1 and heres why:
- knicks had lots of success with Melo at the 4..the formula WORKS!
- i have concerns with playing too many "weak" defensive players (melo-3/bargs-4). instead start artest for some toughness and balance
- Bargs has to earn it with EFFORT (which i dont see). it makes sense to play bargs with melo IF hes HITTING LONG distance shots...but hes not
- less pressure on bargs in the 2nd unit. he strikes me as a mentally fragile guy who needs coddling. dont want the garden booing him already

Good point ned. This is setting up to be a disaster w bargs and the fans Moving him to unit two and taking some pressure off to let him regain some form at pace is smart. I'm not killing bargs but lets go with won us 54 games and then lets get better w a better second unit. This team can go in different directions. It's all chemistry. Also not mentioned is how bad our ph play was this pre season. A combination of injury from Felton and the change in sl has not helped. I would say the number 1reason we got off so good last year was j Kidd. We don't have that so we don't need negatives. We don't need Chris smith. Bargs should be given time in unit 2to come back. We got Ron attest. He can help us start games w an edge. He has to watch his own shot selection and if he can do that I think that's our best bet. We don't want bargs being booed by game 3.

RIP Crushalot😞
GustavBahler
Posts: 42864
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186
10/27/2013  11:25 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
callmened wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Just watching tape again. Melo looks very uncomfortable w bargs. Melo was a superstar last year at 4 and we. Won 54 games. Must go back to this. Either move attest or jr into sl move bargs back to 2 unit and play Brno as the 2unit. Sg. Not ph. He makes too many mistakes. He's a good player but he needs to be with Pablo or ray. Carmelo in unit 1 as a 4. Opens up everything. Please consider

Ive agreed with this from day 1 and heres why:
- knicks had lots of success with Melo at the 4..the formula WORKS!
- i have concerns with playing too many "weak" defensive players (melo-3/bargs-4). instead start artest for some toughness and balance
- Bargs has to earn it with EFFORT (which i dont see). it makes sense to play bargs with melo IF hes HITTING LONG distance shots...but hes not
- less pressure on bargs in the 2nd unit. he strikes me as a mentally fragile guy who needs coddling. dont want the garden booing him already

Good point ned. This is setting up to be a disaster w bargs and the fans Moving him to unit two and taking some pressure off to let him regain some form at pace is smart. I'm not killing bargs but lets go with won us 54 games and then lets get better w a better second unit. This team can go in different directions. It's all chemistry. Also not mentioned is how bad our ph play was this pre season. A combination of injury from Felton and the change in sl has not helped. I would say the number 1reason we got off so good last year was j Kidd. We don't have that so we don't need negatives. We don't need Chris smith. Bargs should be given time in unit 2to come back. We got Ron attest. He can help us start games w an edge. He has to watch his own shot selection and if he can do that I think that's our best bet. We don't want bargs being booed by game 3.

I don't believe Bargs at the 4 is etched in stone. Melo hasn't driven to the rim as much and hasn't gotten clobbered as much either. Woodson might be trying this experiment in part to keep Melo from taking as much punishment under the boards as he would at the 4, at this point in the season. In addition to spacing.

If it doesn't work out I could see the first of many roster changes. Lots of talent on this team, I'm guessing that Woodson is going to do his share of experimenting with different lineups this season.
Page 1 of 5  1  2  3 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Mike Woodson please put melo back at 4
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy