Now we don't have one single player remotely close to having leadership skills, and with players like JR, MWP, Kmart, MR (Fire away) Melo..smh
This could take a turn for the worst fast..

I think team chemistry is more important than leadership.

Ain't nobody on this team bout that life.

Be lucky with45 wins

I elaborated later but for now take my weird.

As for the talent on this team overall, I think it's much improved. This team is going to be more of what it was last year. More of an offensive team than a defensive team. That doesn't mean they will have no shot to win big. It all depends on the level of play we're talking about. I think the level of play will be high. We have 3 good PG's. Prigs and Beno are really smart and will be able to set up teammates at a high level. They have a TON of experience and Beno has been on championship teams with the Spurs so he has a wealth of knowledge. These PG's will provide a high level of leadership on the floor. How can anyone make the case that these PG's won't know what to do or lead the team at a high level? So "ZERO LEADERSHIP" is just flat wrong and shows the OP has no clue and is being very negatively biased towards this team.

there is no separation from the head of the fish and the rest of the body, it is one contiguous body. the fish rots from the head down. it is fruitless and vain to expect the players to not feel influenced and adversely affected.

knicks1248 wrote:Thats where were going to suffer, some how I think the roster is more talented, but less substance. Sheed and Kidd were key locker room guys.

Now we don't have one single player remotely close to having leadership skills, and with players like JR, MWP, Kmart, MR (Fire away) Melo..smh
This could take a turn for the worst fast..

How is Kmart a problem? He generally doesn't do much talking anymore and he didnt pull any shenanigans last year (no that black playoff thing was not a big deal)...fishing with that one.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:what little leadership we can expect from the players and the coaching staff is going to be mightily challenged with the front office shenanigans that have just gone down , with carmelo anthony's contract swirling like a black hole at the center of the knick galaxy.

there is no separation from the head of the fish and the rest of the body, it is one contiguous body. the fish rots from the head down. it is fruitless and vain to expect the players to not feel influenced and adversely affected.

Unless they make changes to the core of the roster I don't expect any of Dolan's crap will have an impact on the way this team plays this year. It's hard to make a case that switching in Mills for Grunwald has any effect on the day to day play of the team. There is in fact separation from Management and the Players on the court. Woodson has the greatest impact on what the players do.

the past is prelude to the present. few can recall how miserable the nuggets were the last time melo's contract was up because knick fans were all caught up in the rumor mill and the palace intrigue and what not. to expect a completely different set of behaviors when the scenario is pretty much the same ****, different year, is really naive.

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:what little leadership we can expect from the players and the coaching staff is going to be mightily challenged with the front office shenanigans that have just gone down , with carmelo anthony's contract swirling like a black hole at the center of the knick galaxy.

there is no separation from the head of the fish and the rest of the body, it is one contiguous body. the fish rots from the head down. it is fruitless and vain to expect the players to not feel influenced and adversely affected.

Unless they make changes to the core of the roster I don't expect any of Dolan's crap will have an impact on the way this team plays this year. It's hard to make a case that switching in Mills for Grunwald has any effect on the day to day play of the team. There is in fact separation from Management and the Players on the court. Woodson has the greatest impact on what the players do.

the past is prelude to the present. few can recall how miserable the nuggets were the last time melo's contract was up because knick fans were all caught up in the rumor mill and the palace intrigue and what not. to expect a completely different set of behaviors when the scenario is pretty much the same ****, different year, is really naive.

I think your off base on this one. The situation isn't the same. Melo isn't voicing that he wants to go anywhere else. He's happy here. They've given him everything he wants so why would there be any drama?

This is a good team with a chance to go deep into the playoffs. There's almost nothing similar between the 2 situations. This team is going to be focused on this season.

when it comes down to it, staying here is one thing but staying here while demanding far more money than he is actually worth-- if the knicks have any hope of winning anything, that is-- is going to create the same swirling and noxious miasma in the garden this season.

knicks1248 wrote:Sorry guys (nix) name me one team that won a championship with out a bonefide leader

miami..LBJ/wade
Lakers..kobe
San An..TD/parker
Boston..pp/kg/rondo
dallas..kidd/dirk
Detroit..billups/wallace
Miami...shaq/wade
Lakers..shaq/fisher/kobe

Again these are guys that were consistent, vocal, experience, and made big plays..Kidd was instrumental for us early last season when we had no amare and shump he help build a bond, and had players playing so unselfish..Chemistry and leadership goes hand and hand, and it lies well above talent.

Melo, Amare, and felton are the closes guys we have to leadership and thats scary bad

You have a valid point here. It's true we don't have a singular great leader on the team, but there is surely leadership on this team. It's not impossible to think leaders will emerge on this roster. The players we have just aren't at the elite level of leaders.

It's debatable just how much actual leadership some of these players really have. Sometimes players just win cuz they're more talented!!! Doesn't mean they're great leaders of men. Duncan isn't really that vocal and Parker is no leader IMO. I don't know that Kobe is a great leader either. To me Kidd is more of a guy that in his prime was really leading his team in deeds and words. KG is a guy that really changes the mental approach of his team.

knicks1248 wrote:Thats where were going to suffer, some how I think the roster is more talented, but less substance. Sheed and Kidd were key locker room guys.

Now we don't have one single player remotely close to having leadership skills, and with players like JR, MWP, Kmart, MR (Fire away) Melo..smh
This could take a turn for the worst fast..