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Paul George worth $90 Million?!!?


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Personally, I think the Pacers have no choice. They're committed to this core and don't want to lose him in free agency. They want to keep this core intact, it's very very young and talented, but won't win any chips. George is a young and terrific player. Do I think he's worth max money? Hells no. He could be the Pippen to someone else though.
Yes, he's worth every penny. A game changer, franchise talent, and future Hall of Famer
Hells No! He was virtually invisible against the Heat and Game 7. Solid, versatile player like Iggy, but franchise player no way!
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9/23/2013  10:57 AM
Caught this on line.........

This is a tweener type player who could be still be getting better. Its not quite 90mil unless he gets there.

I Like this type of deal:

Paul George is expected to sign a five-year maximum contract extension with the Indiana Pacers this week, making him the Pacers' one "Designated Player." The deal could be worth over $90 million, but George will have to meet a performance benchmark to get there. Otherwise, his contract will be worth the same as John Wall's new deal, which is about $80 million.

George is eligible to make over $90 million thanks to the so-called "Derrick Rose Rule," which is different than the Designated Player rule. The Designated Player rule states that a team can extend only one rookie contract for five years. That player can also become eligible for the Rose rule by meeting a certain requirement.

Normally for rookie scale maximum extensions, the first year of the new deal is based on 25 percent of the salary cap. But under the Rose rule, the first year can be up to 30 percent of the cap if at least one of the following benchmarks is reached:
•Named to the All-NBA First, Second or Third team at least twice
•Voted as a starter in the All-Star Game at least twice
•Named the NBA Most Valuable Player at least once

George was named to the All-NBA Third-Team last season, so if he makes another All-NBA team this upcoming year, he will qualify for that increased salary. George could also qualify with an MVP, which is how Rose earned his bigger deal. The exact amount of that increase wouldn't be known until the salary cap numbers for the 2014-15 season are released.

It should also be noted that a player can be a team's Designated Player but also agree to not be eligible for the Rose rule. Russell Westbrook did this with the Oklahoma City Thunder. But clearly George has agreed to be eligible for the salary bump.

is he worth it? Do they go to conf. finals without him? Start Melo talk in 5-4-3-2-1............

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9/23/2013  11:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/23/2013  12:40 PM
No one is, but it's the nba and no one really gets paid what they're worth. One pretty good season and a good playoffs (though I find it bizarre that his performance against us has been air brushed/revised- he didn't play well in the NY series), gets you a max contract!

I like Paul George, but I'm not sure if I like him at the max. To me he's a LaMarcus Aldridge (who I also like) level of player- really good player, but lacking something (personality?) to be a real elite player.

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9/23/2013  11:11 AM
Oh sure, Paul George is worth max money:

1) He's not on the Knicks
2) He's got a Third Team All NBA patch!
3) He's so much more efficient than Melo! (there ya go, Nalod!)

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9/23/2013  12:19 PM
i can't say he's worth 90m today,

but pacers are banking hard he continues ridiculous rate of improvement,

the question is what is his ceiling, is that worth 90m?

george struck while iron is hot, pacers hoping it pays off

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9/23/2013  12:25 PM
He could be a star in this league(hes very good now)--and even at his current 3rd team all nba 2nd team all defense his team went to ecf that value is worth 18mm per There are 30 teams--if you are a top 15 player--some team is going to max you out given supply demand hes also only 23.
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9/23/2013  12:42 PM
A glorified Trevor Ariza!
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9/23/2013  12:44 PM
Wait a minute- I thought the Lakers were going to sign him? (Along with Melo and Lebron and every top FA). It's almost as if maxing your cap space is no guarantee of actually signing a great player...
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9/23/2013  1:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/23/2013  1:57 PM
It looks like $80 mil over 5 years is guaranteed and the rest are performance incentives. I think $16 mil per yr is a little more than he's worth but not terrible overpaying. It's way less than Amare and Melo make and just a little more than Tyson.
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9/23/2013  2:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/23/2013  2:09 PM
he's a legitimate 2-way player.

he averaged 5 assists per game in the playoffs and his ratio of usage to ast is astonishingly good, at 1.00:1.00. this means he is an ultimate team player. also 7-8 rebounds, wow

i love this kid's game. worth every penny and he is going to get better, especially if scoring efficiency goes up... then he's a top ten player in this league.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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9/23/2013  2:56 PM
smackeddog wrote:A glorified Trevor Ariza!
That is who draftnet compared him to.
NBA Comparison: Trevor Ariza/Danny Granger

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/paul-george
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9/23/2013  3:03 PM
Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.
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9/23/2013  3:08 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Yea but the Andy and Landry show was must see TV!!

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9/23/2013  3:31 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Yea but the Andy and Landry show was must see TV!!

Yeah but Stephenson is 4 years younger then Andy. Maybe he could have been moved in the Melo trade if the Knicks drafted him. Then all past sins of his would be forgotten and he would be memorialized forever as a symbol of building the right way.
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9/23/2013  4:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Am I the only one that believed in Rautins? He reminds me a lot of Marco Bellinelli, whose game I liked a lot through the years. If Rautins was healthy and given the opportunity, I think he would've shocked a lot of people.

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9/23/2013  4:36 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Am I the only one that believed in Rautins? He reminds me a lot of Marco Bellinelli, whose game I liked a lot through the years. If Rautins was healthy and given the opportunity, I think he would've shocked a lot of people.

I hated the pick. Rautins was a reach for even a second round pick. No upside and old. I think at the time Walsh was trying to bring in guys with four years experience that were high character guys because of who his coach was. The fact that Rautins could hit the three also made it appear to me at the time that he was picked for the coach. Leo and D'Antoni were playing professionally in Italy at the same time and I always wondered if that connection had something to do with his being drafted by the Knicks. I always felt the Knicks could have invited Rautins to training camp and not used a pick on him if they really saw something there.
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9/23/2013  5:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Am I the only one that believed in Rautins? He reminds me a lot of Marco Bellinelli, whose game I liked a lot through the years. If Rautins was healthy and given the opportunity, I think he would've shocked a lot of people.

I hated the pick. Rautins was a reach for even a second round pick. No upside and old. I think at the time Walsh was trying to bring in guys with four years experience that were high character guys because of who his coach was. The fact that Rautins could hit the three also made it appear to me at the time that he was picked for the coach. Leo and D'Antoni were playing professionally in Italy at the same time and I always wondered if that connection had something to do with his being drafted by the Knicks. I always felt the Knicks could have invited Rautins to training camp and not used a pick on him if they really saw something there.

Stephenson killed us in the playoffs- take him out of the series, and we might even have won it.

Would he have become the player he is today if we'd drafted him? I'm really not sure- he had a really rough start on and off the court (remember when he pushed his girlfriend down the stairs and people were saying how glad they were we didn't draft him?). Would love to have him on the team, but I doubt we would have had the patience to develop him.

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9/23/2013  5:29 PM
smackeddog wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Forgot the Pacers got Stephenson in that draft. Makes me wonder where Andy Rautins is playing. Its pretty hard to come out of a draft with a guy that is old and sucks.

Am I the only one that believed in Rautins? He reminds me a lot of Marco Bellinelli, whose game I liked a lot through the years. If Rautins was healthy and given the opportunity, I think he would've shocked a lot of people.

I hated the pick. Rautins was a reach for even a second round pick. No upside and old. I think at the time Walsh was trying to bring in guys with four years experience that were high character guys because of who his coach was. The fact that Rautins could hit the three also made it appear to me at the time that he was picked for the coach. Leo and D'Antoni were playing professionally in Italy at the same time and I always wondered if that connection had something to do with his being drafted by the Knicks. I always felt the Knicks could have invited Rautins to training camp and not used a pick on him if they really saw something there.

Stephenson killed us in the playoffs- take him out of the series, and we might even have won it.

Would he have become the player he is today if we'd drafted him? I'm really not sure- he had a really rough start on and off the court (remember when he pushed his girlfriend down the stairs and people were saying how glad they were we didn't draft him?). Would love to have him on the team, but I doubt we would have had the patience to develop him.

I think his incident with his girlfriend was before his first training camp. He had the talent but didn't seem like he fit the mold of guys that would be successful with D'Antoni/Walsh.
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9/23/2013  7:39 PM
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Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check

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Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1640478-paul-george-proving-in-2013-playoffs-hes-nbas-next-max-star


Paul George Proving in 2013 Playoffs He's NBA's Next Max Star
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The notion that Paul George isn't a max-contract NBA superstar is confusing. Why? Because it's not true.

Sans Danny Granger, who was once considered to be their best player, the Indiana Pacers are on the verge of advancing past the New York Knicks and into the Eastern Conference Finals. And while they depended upon the underrated talents of George Hill, the leadership of David West and the inconsistent stylings of Roy Hibbert, it's George who they have ridden into prominence.


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Operating as Indiana's go-to everything, George had the best regular season of his three-year career by far. He closed out 2012-13 averaging 17.4 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 1.8 steals. He converted on just 41.9 percent of his field-goal attempts, but that didn't matter. Not nearly as much as everything else he was able to do.

At only 23 and now with an All-Star selection to his name, George was considered a rising star. And rightfully so.

He had become just the 10th player in NBA history to average at least 16 points, seven rebounds, four assists and 1.5 steals per game before his 24th birthday. It was a feat that put him in the company of Larry Bird, Kevin Garnett, LeBron James and Magic Johnson, among others. It was special. And he was rewarded for it.

George was named the NBA's Most Improved Player, much to the surprise of any Jrue Holiday supporters, but generally applauded all the same. That, along with his All-Star credentials, should have been enough. We should have been sold.

But not everyone was.

Although his accomplishments gave him star status, there was still something (unjustly) separating himself from the rest of the league's superstars—postseason success. Not in the sense that he had to win a championship (see Carmelo Anthony), but that he had to prove he was worth building around.

Could the Pacers contend in the postseason with him as their primary identity? Could he lead his team to some measure of postseason success? Was he worthy of a max contract, or was he perhaps a prolific facade?


The latter is a fair question. George is due to enter restricted free agency after next season, which means he's eligible for an extension.

This side of the lockout, it's become common practice to scrutinize the potential of any players entering the last legs of their rookie contracts. The Denver Nuggets (Ty Lawson), Golden State Warriors (Stephen Curry) and Philadelphia 76ers (Jrue Holiday) all exercised extreme caution when it came to assessing the market value of their prized prospects.

No such trepidation is needed when it comes to George, though. He's not on the cusp of stardom; he's there. What he's actually on the precipice of is being compensated like one.

Anyone who watched George knows he wasn't feigning stardom or was some flash in the pan that would disappear overnight, or even next season. George was for real. Playoff success now in hand, arguments to the contrary are less than feeble.


George has been sensational in these playoffs.
For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run.

Once again, we find George pitting himself next to Hall of Famers like Magic, Bird, Scottie Pippen and Clyde Drexler, as well as future Hall of Famers like LeBron and Garnett.

It's not just his individual numbers either, but what he has meant to the Pacers all year, especially now.


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George has hounded Anthony all series.
Thanks to George, Indiana is in a position of power against the Knicks. New York's offense has spent most of the series wallowing in ineptitude because of the Pacers' stout defensive sets. And George has led the cause on that end (both ends, really) by shutting down the Knicks' greatest weapon—Anthony.

Anthony is averaging 26 points per game in the series, but is shooting just 40.9 percent of the field. And he's fared even worse when George is defending him.

Per ESPN Stats & Information (via Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com), 'Melo is shooting just 32 percent from the floor when being defended by George, a number that has aided in the debilitation of the Knicks offense.

'Melo's shooting woes attest to George's superior length and overall defensive capabilities. Few players in the league can legitimately be considered two-way stars, yet he's one of them, which shouldn't be a surprise.


Is there anything he can't do?

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George is a star. Period.
George has been amongst the most elite of defenders all year. It's what truly separates him from the pack. The NBA is laden with scorers and playmakers, but George's unbridled effort on the defensive end has put him in a class shared by a select few. His teammates recognize this.

"He's got length and good feet and he's never really out of position even when he gets beat he's in the rear view contesting the shot," West said of his teammate (via Windhorst). "Melo is the best 1-on-1 player in the league, he can get shots from anywhere and he can make shots from anywhere. And PG embraces that challenge."

He's always embraced "that challenge." But because he doesn't play in Miami, New York or Los Angeles, he hasn't garnered the same praise as some of peers. And it's left many surprised at how complete a player he really is.

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Refer to the postseason as George's coming-out party if you must, but understand this is nothing new. His ceiling was always this broad, his future always this blinding. He played at this level the entire season.

Any who have believed otherwise have missed out. Those who disagree are still missing out and depriving themselves the opportunity to embrace the NBA's next max superstar.

That's what George is, after all, a superstar—a warranted status his next contract is destined to reflect.


"For the postseason, George is averaging 18.3 points, 8.8 rebounds, five assists and 1.9 steals per game. If those averages hold, he'll become just the 15th player in NBA history to post at least 18 points, eight rebounds, five assists and 1.5 steals per game through his entire playoff run."

George battled Lebron James down to the very end in a very close series, defending one of the most physically talented, skilled, and versatile, players in the history of the entire NBA, and delivered often hitting clutch shots when needed on him as well

He did what was best for his team, not what was best for his STATS, he does NOT play with a MEMEMEME attitude, and he continues to work on ALL PARTS OF HIS GAME, and that is what separates him from CA, both physically, all round skills, and mentally

Oh, he is also much younger and makes much less, while George is only going to get better...

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9/23/2013  8:06 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Paul George a $90 million dollar contract?? He should have showed his worth when they played Miami and he was missing in action. Three time alstar?? But I say to Paul George get all you can because you are just one injury away from being cut. Grab that money. Oh by the way his assist is only 3.7 and field goal pct went to his lowest 419 since he's been in the league. You know some haters come up with crazy numbers thinking no one is gonna check


He had 4.1 assists, which is pretty good. Shooting percentage is his biggest weakness though.
Paul George worth $90 Million?!!?

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