I don't think this team is falling back in the regular season. I think this team presents more problems than most teams can solve. I think this team could make that next step to the ECF's. It's up to Woody now to make the most of this roster. No excuse for any player logging too many minutes with such a stocked roster. We won't be dependent on Melo and JR as much as we were last year. IMO the key component was adding Beno. The reason being we absolutely needed another real PG. When you have this many scorers you have to have ball movement, high level execution and intelligent play making. Prigs, Beno and AB with their Euro Ball training will play smart BB at key positions. This will take a lot of pressure off of Woody. Prigs and Beno know how to play smart BB and will make their teammates better.

SupremeCommander wrote:I think everyone here (except the resident trolls) are slightly pleased with the offseason. It wasn't spectacular by any stretch of the imagination, but considering the complete lack of flexibility, I think the Knicks will be a better team than they were last year.

in a vacuum the knicks had an okay offseason.

but relative to our conference rivals we did not do okay.

bulls get rose back which means they'll get a little bit better overall, nets got older but better and deeper, pacers got better, heat still have lbj.

to be pleased with the knicks offseason you would have to say with confidence that our improvement was greater than those other teams.

it wasn't.

gotta hope for a 3rd seed if we want to get past the first round.

misterearl wrote:Mr Sunshine

Bonn1997 wrote:
For the record, I don't think the off-season was a disaster. I'd give it at least a C

Bonn1997 - The Answer Man likes you. you make him laugh. Instead of what you "don't think" the offseason was, care to describe what it is in declarative sense?

Please finish this sentence..." I think the Knicks offseason has been..."

misterearl wrote:

Hit the open man.

This is all I want to see Mista, it's all I want to see.

Those teams that do just that, at least make it to the conference finals

BRIGGS wrote:

colorfl1 wrote:It amazes me when people on the forum site last year's win total as the limited objective.
This team was ALWAYS injured and could not develop an experienced rotation.
They simply did not have enough practicing time with their starting 5 because there were always major injuries.

The team won a considerable amount of games last year without a consistent rotation of players due to injuries of Shumpart, Amare, Camby, Rasheed, Thomas, Felton, Tyson, broken down Kidd etc. Injuries decimated their bigs and wore out Chandler. Worn out/injured Chandler, JR, Kidd got this team a 2nd round exit.

How ridiculous is it that this team went for a stretch starting James White???

Seriously, this team would outperform last year's record if they just stayed the same and simply had a reasonably healthy core.

And now even if they do lose core people, they at least have versatile, experienced players coming off the bench.

With a full season of Beno, Meta, Shumpert, Martin this team would already outperform last year's squad by simply having a rotation with consistency and defence.

Add to that mix, upside "wild cards" like injury prone Bargnani and Amare

Some promising youngs like THJ, CJ, and Tyler

and you have the makings for a consistent core that would put last season's team to shame offensively and defensively.

Jason Kidd was a great on court coach, but he was shot by January and his inability to defend or put up points when left open really was a serious liability the whole 2nd half of the season.

I expect this years group to have more toughness and a lunch-pale dimension.
And because of its healthy depth, its' offence will be much more nuanced than isolate Carmelo, P/R Chandler and or chuck 3s.

I feel there is way too much apathy and attrition on this board; they will be far more consistent and less fragile.

Agree we are on par with any team capable of winning 60 games and a championship. We made smart moves this offseason we cant play 15 vets at once so we got some young legs which will improve and ste the tone for the future to come but certainly the vets we have are high quality and deep. we need less from tyson chnalder and that should save him for the playoffs. we only need to play amare 20 minutes...we have a lot of shooters passers scoreres size inside outside we picked up some fresh legs--what can you say here other than we are in this game in a big way just as good as Miami Indiana and Brooklyn IMHO.

Now our coach has to sac up and coach the rotations the right way...... period !

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

colorfl1 wrote:It amazes me when people on the forum site last year's win total as the limited objective.
This team was ALWAYS injured and could not develop an experienced rotation.
They simply did not have enough practicing time with their starting 5 because there were always major injuries.

The team won a considerable amount of games last year without a consistent rotation of players due to injuries of Shumpart, Amare, Camby, Rasheed, Thomas, Felton, Tyson, broken down Kidd etc. Injuries decimated their bigs and wore out Chandler. Worn out/injured Chandler, JR, Kidd got this team a 2nd round exit.

How ridiculous is it that this team went for a stretch starting James White???

Seriously, this team would outperform last year's record if they just stayed the same and simply had a reasonably healthy core.

And now even if they do lose core people, they at least have versatile, experienced players coming off the bench.

With a full season of Beno, Meta, Shumpert, Martin this team would already outperform last year's squad by simply having a rotation with consistency and defence.

Add to that mix, upside "wild cards" like injury prone Bargnani and Amare

Some promising youngs like THJ, CJ, and Tyler

and you have the makings for a consistent core that would put last season's team to shame offensively and defensively.

Jason Kidd was a great on court coach, but he was shot by January and his inability to defend or put up points when left open really was a serious liability the whole 2nd half of the season.

I expect this years group to have more toughness and a lunch-pale dimension.
And because of its healthy depth, its' offence will be much more nuanced than isolate Carmelo, P/R Chandler and or chuck 3s.

I feel there is way too much apathy and attrition on this board; they will be far more consistent and less fragile.

Agree we are on par with any team capable of winning 60 games and a championship. We made smart moves this offseason we cant play 15 vets at once so we got some young legs which will improve and ste the tone for the future to come but certainly the vets we have are high quality and deep. we need less from tyson chnalder and that should save him for the playoffs. we only need to play amare 20 minutes...we have a lot of shooters passers scoreres size inside outside we picked up some fresh legs--what can you say here other than we are in this game in a big way just as good as Miami Indiana and Brooklyn IMHO.

Now our coach has to sac up and coach the rotations the right way...... period !

Totally agree. I love Melo, but Woody cannot cave into ISO Melo pressure. If Melo and JR are our primary options, we're screwed. We gotta diversify our offense.

Judging just by the roster moves it seems this was a point of emphasis. Bargnani stretches the floor, but can also post smaller forwards. World Peace is a pretty good finisher and can hit the open 3. THJR, Leslie, Tyler bring a much needed youth infusion. Beno will play the Kidd role, but can actually score.

Woodson has the tools, he just has to use them.

ChuckBuck wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

colorfl1 wrote:It amazes me when people on the forum site last year's win total as the limited objective.
This team was ALWAYS injured and could not develop an experienced rotation.
They simply did not have enough practicing time with their starting 5 because there were always major injuries.

The team won a considerable amount of games last year without a consistent rotation of players due to injuries of Shumpart, Amare, Camby, Rasheed, Thomas, Felton, Tyson, broken down Kidd etc. Injuries decimated their bigs and wore out Chandler. Worn out/injured Chandler, JR, Kidd got this team a 2nd round exit.

How ridiculous is it that this team went for a stretch starting James White???

Seriously, this team would outperform last year's record if they just stayed the same and simply had a reasonably healthy core.

And now even if they do lose core people, they at least have versatile, experienced players coming off the bench.

With a full season of Beno, Meta, Shumpert, Martin this team would already outperform last year's squad by simply having a rotation with consistency and defence.

Add to that mix, upside "wild cards" like injury prone Bargnani and Amare

Some promising youngs like THJ, CJ, and Tyler

and you have the makings for a consistent core that would put last season's team to shame offensively and defensively.

Jason Kidd was a great on court coach, but he was shot by January and his inability to defend or put up points when left open really was a serious liability the whole 2nd half of the season.

I expect this years group to have more toughness and a lunch-pale dimension.
And because of its healthy depth, its' offence will be much more nuanced than isolate Carmelo, P/R Chandler and or chuck 3s.

I feel there is way too much apathy and attrition on this board; they will be far more consistent and less fragile.

Agree we are on par with any team capable of winning 60 games and a championship. We made smart moves this offseason we cant play 15 vets at once so we got some young legs which will improve and ste the tone for the future to come but certainly the vets we have are high quality and deep. we need less from tyson chnalder and that should save him for the playoffs. we only need to play amare 20 minutes...we have a lot of shooters passers scoreres size inside outside we picked up some fresh legs--what can you say here other than we are in this game in a big way just as good as Miami Indiana and Brooklyn IMHO.

Now our coach has to sac up and coach the rotations the right way...... period !

Totally agree. I love Melo, but Woody cannot cave into ISO Melo pressure. If Melo and JR are our primary options, we're screwed. We gotta diversify our offense.

Judging just by the roster moves it seems this was a point of emphasis. Bargnani stretches the floor, but can also post smaller forwards. World Peace is a pretty good finisher and can hit the open 3. THJR, Leslie, Tyler bring a much needed youth infusion. Beno will play the Kidd role, but can actually score.

Woodson has the tools, he just has to use them.

The only issue are the other teams that also improved. But its clear we are better than last year on paper.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

playa2 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

colorfl1 wrote:It amazes me when people on the forum site last year's win total as the limited objective.
This team was ALWAYS injured and could not develop an experienced rotation.
They simply did not have enough practicing time with their starting 5 because there were always major injuries.

The team won a considerable amount of games last year without a consistent rotation of players due to injuries of Shumpart, Amare, Camby, Rasheed, Thomas, Felton, Tyson, broken down Kidd etc. Injuries decimated their bigs and wore out Chandler. Worn out/injured Chandler, JR, Kidd got this team a 2nd round exit.

How ridiculous is it that this team went for a stretch starting James White???

Seriously, this team would outperform last year's record if they just stayed the same and simply had a reasonably healthy core.

And now even if they do lose core people, they at least have versatile, experienced players coming off the bench.

With a full season of Beno, Meta, Shumpert, Martin this team would already outperform last year's squad by simply having a rotation with consistency and defence.

Add to that mix, upside "wild cards" like injury prone Bargnani and Amare

Some promising youngs like THJ, CJ, and Tyler

and you have the makings for a consistent core that would put last season's team to shame offensively and defensively.

Jason Kidd was a great on court coach, but he was shot by January and his inability to defend or put up points when left open really was a serious liability the whole 2nd half of the season.

I expect this years group to have more toughness and a lunch-pale dimension.
And because of its healthy depth, its' offence will be much more nuanced than isolate Carmelo, P/R Chandler and or chuck 3s.

I feel there is way too much apathy and attrition on this board; they will be far more consistent and less fragile.

Agree we are on par with any team capable of winning 60 games and a championship. We made smart moves this offseason we cant play 15 vets at once so we got some young legs which will improve and ste the tone for the future to come but certainly the vets we have are high quality and deep. we need less from tyson chnalder and that should save him for the playoffs. we only need to play amare 20 minutes...we have a lot of shooters passers scoreres size inside outside we picked up some fresh legs--what can you say here other than we are in this game in a big way just as good as Miami Indiana and Brooklyn IMHO.

Now our coach has to sac up and coach the rotations the right way...... period !

Totally agree. I love Melo, but Woody cannot cave into ISO Melo pressure. If Melo and JR are our primary options, we're screwed. We gotta diversify our offense.

Judging just by the roster moves it seems this was a point of emphasis. Bargnani stretches the floor, but can also post smaller forwards. World Peace is a pretty good finisher and can hit the open 3. THJR, Leslie, Tyler bring a much needed youth infusion. Beno will play the Kidd role, but can actually score.

Woodson has the tools, he just has to use them.

The only question amrk is Bargnani. As a Knick fan i hope he does turn out to be a still. However we cant assume that he is a steal until we see him stay helathy and contribute

Why should we really doubt that Bargnani can contribute for this team? While there are no guarantees it's not that far fetched to expect AB to play near his normal level. He's not hurt and doesn't have any chronic injury. Just because a guy crashes to the ground and sustains an injury or a dunk attempt where he was undercut doesn't suggest that we have something to worry about health wise. In terms of his skills the only thing that effected his game was the injury and not like at 27 he lost his skills. That's just silly. He simply had a bad year. There's literally no reason to be doubtful that AB can play this game if he's healthy, which he is (aside from his current Respiratory Infection). I can understand worrying about STAT who has chronic knee injuries, however, AB isn't in that category.