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8/1/2013  9:29 PM
Sources: Knicks talking to Johnson, Pargo

Amid their search for a young big man who could provide interior scoring, rebounding and defense, the Knicks are having discussions with free agent Ivan Johnson, a player source told ESPNNewYork.com.

The 29-year-old Johnson, who became an NBA player in 2011 and has played for the Hawks, was initially campaigning for a mini mid-level contract. But with remaining attractive free agents like DeJuan Blair and Antawn Jamison in the veteran's minimum financial ballpark -- Blair signed with the Mavericks for that amount -- the free-agent market is quickly changing.

So it's likely that the 6-8, 255-pound Johnson will be financially accessible to the Knicks. The question is: could it mutually work out?

The source said, "I think it would be a great fit for Ivan to get big minutes [in New York] and further prove he can play in this league."

Johnson is known for his high motor, finishing ability and being a tenacious defender, who has good hands and timing to deflect balls and grab rebounds. Sometimes, however, he can be a little out of control. In 2012, the Hawks fined him for "conduct detrimental to the team" and later for making an obscene gesture.

Johnson could bring versatility to the Knicks' frontcourt. Carmelo Anthony is still mostly an outside facilitator even when he's at the 4 position; Amar'e Stoudemire will play limited minutes because of his surgically-repaired knees; Tyson Chandler missed 16 games last season and is now one year older and needs more support; Andrea Bargnani only played 66 games in his past two injury-riddled seasons; and Kenyon Martin has had serious injury issues in the past and he's turning 36 this December.

Johnson can play forward and center, which would fill a need for the Knicks.

"That would be a nice get for the Knicks," another source said. "I like him."

Another big man the Knicks had "strong interest" in, according to a player source, was Kris Humphries -- if the Celtics carried out their potential plan to buy him out. Humphries was also interested in playing for the veteran's minimum in New York. But a source familiar with Humphries said a buyout is unlikely at this point, as the Celtics, who acquired Humphries in the Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry trade this summer, envision a key role for him next season.

Other bigs on the Knicks' radar include (via sources): Cole Aldrich, Hamed Haddadi, Jerome Jordan, Gani Lawal, Shavlik Randolph, who was waived by the Celtics on Thursday, and Henry Sims. Jeremy Tyler, who played on the Knicks' summer league team, has received a training camp invite.

JANNERO PARGO IN THE PICTURE: According to a player source, the Knicks are now in conversations with Pargo, a veteran point guard who played for the Wizards, Hawks and Bobcats last season.

Pargo, 33, is known for his transition playmaking and spot-up shooting, but he's not great at getting in the lane and creating his own shot. However, he works well off of pick-and-rolls, and his court vision and quick reaction time enable him to see passing lanes through traps.

The Knicks also remain interested in point guards Beno Udrih and Bobby Brown, according to a source familiar with the Knicks' thinking. The Knicks have until Aug. 15 to decide on an offer for Brown, who has an opt-clause on that date in his upcoming contract with Chinese basketball club Dongguan. Regarding Delonte West, he's unlikely to be considered, according to a player source.

The Knicks will also invite Toure Murry and "a few young developmental point guards to training camp," according to a source.

Looking ahead, the Knicks have three roster spots remaining, so even if they sign a free agent soon training camp invites, such as Murry and Tyler, could still receive guaranteed contracts at the minimum.

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8/1/2013  9:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2013  9:56 PM
I actually like Ivan Johnson -- tough dude that plays very hard and is fairly skilled. Is he redundant with K-Mart back though? A legit 7' backup C type might be a better fit -- someone like Earl Barron...If Chandler and Amar'e ever went down, I'd like to have a 7 footer on standby ready to go. No more 6'8" guys masquerading as centers please...That's not gonna work against the bigger, more physical clubs, esp. clubs with skill in the middle...And neither is trying to shoehorn Bargnani down low and tell him to bang and fight for rebounds. That's round peg in a square hole if you ask me...The worst thing they could possibly do with Bargs is try to make him into something he's not imo. Know what you got with this dude -- I actually want him to roam free and play the Dirk Norwitzki role. Can't ask that guy to go down, bang & battle it out for rebounds. Not on a steady basis...That's Chandler's job...I dunno..

Pargo I can do without. Journeyman PG--nothing more...Continue to shoot for something better..Udirih is 100X better and if we can't grab Beno then I'd prefer the potential & firepower Brown could supply.

How 'bout Blair signing for the minimum, huh? Wow...Nice player man. Excellent pickup by Cuban. Damn good replacement for Elton Brand.

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8/1/2013  9:48 PM
And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter
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8/1/2013  9:51 PM
Hell yeah! I would love to sign Ivan Johnson, that dude was born to be a Knick, I think we could develop him into a poor man's Charles Oakley. Nobody is going to **** with the Knicks with Ivan, Artest, and KMart around. They would be the new Oak,Mase, and X-Man around here. Lets do this!!
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8/1/2013  9:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2013  9:59 PM
I do not mind Pargo at all, I think he is a quality veteran back up 3rd string PG that can use his experience/journey man playing as a starting combo guard if Woodson continues to like use 2 PG sets, capable of defending 2 positions
There are some talented FA PG's out there but Woodson likes veterans and DEFENSE first, so he would be a good fit, and he is can hit the wide open 3pt shot along with mediocre PG play

I like Ivan Johnson and think he would be a great addition at PF/C, with rebounding, DEFENSE, and some shot blocking ability
He is pure hustle and heart, he is undersized but I think he can break out if given a chance as a nice role player, he fits Woodson's criteria of DEFENSE and REBOUNDING for a PF/C

3 roster spots left without including CJ LESLIE, so possibly 4 spots, since he is only partial guaranteed, he isn't assured a roster spot for the season but at least training camp

Hope Murry and Tyler (more of a development project for the near future) get a good look in training camp
For these both players I would need 2 years of TEAM OPTIONS if signed

I would welcome Bobby Brown (as a scoring PG, a poor mans Bayless/Nate/Baron Davis type

James Johnson (for his defensive abilities as a big SF) especially against Lebron, Paul George, Rudy Gay, and Tobias Harris in the East

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8/1/2013  9:58 PM
gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

A bum? Wow. How do you figure? I see a guy very similar to Goran Dragic here skill-wise/game-wise..

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8/1/2013  10:00 PM
Oh yeah and if Beno is smart he would sign with the Knicks, he would certainly shine here, and get a much better contract elsewhere next year. If not him, then I like the idea of Bobby B., I like having atleast that one unscouted, under the radar guy to catch teams off guard, as he starts to get minutes late inti the season. Plus having a quick slashing guard like him when we got Melo, Shump, and Bargs on the wings would put alot of pressure on the opposing teams.
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8/1/2013  10:02 PM
Finestrg wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

A bum? Wow. How do you figure? I see a guy very similar to Goran Dragic here skill-wise/game-wise..

Yeah Pargo is a very solid back up. Also, I really like Johnson. Johnson, Metta and KMart really would bring back that old school knick mentality to the frontline. It would be nice to be the team other teams didn't want to play again.
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8/1/2013  10:08 PM
KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Hell yeah! I would love to sign Ivan Johnson, that dude was born to be a Knick, I think we could develop him into a poor man's Charles Oakley. Nobody is going to **** with the Knicks with Ivan, Artest, and KMart around. They would be the new Oak,Mase, and X-Man around here. Lets do this!!

I was thinking a harder-nosed Anthony Tolliver but you know what -- I dig the X-Man comparison. Obviously not the star X was in his prime yet this dude's hard-nosed toughness and game feel eerily similar. IJ might even be skilled enough to man some SF in the right matchups.

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8/1/2013  10:14 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

A bum? Wow. How do you figure? I see a guy very similar to Goran Dragic here skill-wise/game-wise..

that's only because they're both slovenian

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8/1/2013  10:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/2/2013  7:01 AM
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Finestrg wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

A bum? Wow. How do you figure? I see a guy very similar to Goran Dragic here skill-wise/game-wise..

Yeah Pargo is a very solid back up. Also, I really like Johnson. Johnson, Metta and KMart really would bring back that old school knick mentality to the frontline. It would be nice to be the team other teams didn't want to play again.

Pargo's an OK backup I guess -- he can stick a 3 yet every time I've ever watched him play, he clearly looked overmatched if he was ever thrust into a situation where he had to play against superior competition. Any good starting caliber PG eats this guy for breakfast I feel...And he ain't hittin' any of those 3s in a big spot. Never has...So what's the point then? I wouldn't call this guy a bum but there's still better fish in the sea imo. Continue to pursue the better options. This is more of a last resort guy. Even though he doesn't have the longevity of his older brother, I like Jeremy Pargo much better myself. Always have. Jeremy could be a VERY GOOD PG in this league if any team out there every invested the time and energy into developing him..Was backing up Kyrie Irving in Cleveland, not sure where he is now. Moscow maybe? Jeremy Pargo's a good enough talent for the NBA. Dude reminds me of Ray Felton a lot...Can't understand why he's having a hard time sticking..

And I was talking about Beno Udrih being close to Dragic btw, not Jannero Pargo..

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8/1/2013  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2013  11:59 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

A bum? Wow. How do you figure? I see a guy very similar to Goran Dragic here skill-wise/game-wise..

that's only because they're both slovenian

Not at all. They just have similar games -- 2 drive & shoot lefty PGs with good skill level.

I can't believe anybody out there thinks Beno Udrih's a bum...That's just not accurate..LOL

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8/1/2013  10:21 PM
Finestrg wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

A bum? Wow. How do you figure? I see a guy very similar to Goran Dragic here skill-wise/game-wise..

Yeah Pargo is a very solid back up. Also, I really like Johnson. Johnson, Metta and KMart really would bring back that old school knick mentality to the frontline. It would be nice to be the team other teams didn't want to play again.

Pargo's an OK backup I guess -- he can stick a 3 yet every time I've ever watched him play, he clearly looked overmatched if he was ever thrust into a situation where he had to play against superior competition. Any good starting caliber PG eats this guy for breakfast I feel...And he ain't hittin' any 3s in a big spot. So what's the point then? I wouldn't call this guy a bum but there's still better fish in the sea imo. Continue to pursue the better options. This is more of a last resort guy. Even though he doesn't have the longevity of his older brother, I like Jeremy better myself. Always have. Jeremy could be a very good PG in this league if any team out there every invested the time and energy into developing him..

And I was talking about Beno Udirih being close to Dragic btw, not Jannero Pargo..

Udrih and Johnson would be tremendous signings. Not sure that the Knicks will hit a home run with every vet mini deal they have though. Pargo would be ok.
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8/1/2013  10:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2013  10:29 PM
Ultimate coup at this point for the last 3 spots -- how 'bout Udrih, Ivan Johnson and Earl Barron.

2nd best outcome -- Bobby Brown, IJ and Barron.

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8/1/2013  10:38 PM
Finestrg wrote:Ultimate coup at this point for the last 3 spots -- how 'bout Udrih, Ivan Johnson and Earl Barron.

2nd best outcome -- Bobby Brown, IJ and Barron.

I like that. I wouldn't mind Haddadi in place of Barron. I have only seen him on tape but the guy has tremendous size and seems to stop all guard penetration. Also, I think he is only 27.
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8/1/2013  10:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2013  11:31 PM
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Finestrg wrote:Ultimate coup at this point for the last 3 spots -- how 'bout Udrih, Ivan Johnson and Earl Barron.

2nd best outcome -- Bobby Brown, IJ and Barron.

I like that. I wouldn't mind Haddadi in place of Barron. I have only seen him on tape but the guy has tremendous size and seems to stop all guard penetration. Also, I think he is only 27.

Barron has a few more miles on him by comparison, true, but he's not that old -- DOB: 8/14/81. What's that 31, going on 32 in a couple of weeks? He's still in his prime pretty much physically speaking...I just know that Barron could give us 15 rebounds in a game if ever thrust into a situation where he got ample PT. We've seen it..And he can score the ball a little too...Can Haddadi do all that? I'm not sure man..Maybe...Barron feels like more a sure thing to me, on the rebounding alone.. And rebounding could still very much be an issue on this team..

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8/1/2013  11:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2013  11:12 PM
Question: if we did land Ivan Johnson, who would you guys want in a game first assuming Woody needs to look down the bench and tap into the depth -- Ivan Johnson or K-Mart? I betcha everyone on here says K-Mart -- I go the other way and say IJ should be ahead of Martin on the depth chart. Younger, I think stronger at this point and he can do more offensively. K-Mart's a long way from his Cincinnati/New Jersey days, esp. offensively. I mean some of this guy's jumper attempts, the few he did take, looked God-awful. A little bit of a concern for me that he didn't really do much in the latter half of that Indy series too. Began to look really small and overmatched the further that series went along...How much does he really have left do ya think? Johnson actually makes some sense here -- as long as they also go out and add a legit backup C with the requisite size.
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8/1/2013  11:14 PM
Ivan Johnson would be an awesome acquistion

I'd pass on Pargo

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8/1/2013  11:17 PM
You guys that don't want Udrih are crazy, dude is one of the better midrange shooters out there. Don't you remember how last year teams like Indy and Chicago used the "run them off the 3 point line" strategy on us, which lead to them clanking open mid range shot after shot? Well if they tried that with him here, this is what will happen:

Having both Bargs and him on the court ends that since both can shoot from the midrange. I really hope he signs here, getting both Ivan Johnson and Beno Udrih considering our circumstances would for sure cap off a [Amare] phenomenal [/Amare] offseason.

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8/1/2013  11:25 PM
i have been begging for the knicks to get Ivan Johnson for weeks now. LOL. however with signing KMart, why would he come here?

udrih is a SOLID underated player. he would play over prigs and push ray as a starter

i want no part of Pargo...dude cant shoot anymore..lol

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