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This afternoon City Council voted 47-1 to limit Madison Square Garden’s permit to 10 years. The arena, sitting atop Penn Station, had requested a permit in perpetuity, but a coalition of government officials, preservationists, and transportation advocates protested and pushed for a truncated 10-year renewal. Critics hope this term limit will ultimately encourage the re-location of the Garden to allow for a complete overhaul of the train station and an improved arena. According to DNA Info, the station is “North America’s busiest rail station,” and many have argued that it is beyond capacity and poses a safety risk for commuters. (Photo: doriandsp/Flickr)

though nor surprising,

you know, we're not in the Old World with 3000 year old architecture to preserve,

gotta keep it moving and the money rolling,

i am excited for what is next to come, i am sure NYC will do it big in place of the old Gahden

Its bull****

VCoug wrote:Good. Penn Station desperately needs an overhaul, it's completely insufficient for the amount of traffic that goes through there on a daily basis. And it's not as if MSG hasn't moved before; its current location is the 4th different one since its inception back in 1879. It would also be nice if the outside of the arena gave off a sense of majesty and grandness that the current one lacks. If you ever visit other arenas, though generally not NBA arenas, they're very impressive to see from outside. MSG looks like an office building from outside.

As for Dolan spending his own money to renovate the Garden, that's bull****. Knicks ticket prices have increased nearly 50% over the last two seasons and are supposedly being increased another 20%+ for this coming season. And I'm sure, though I don't know, that Rangers tickets have probably done the same thing. So Dolan hasn't paid for anything, those of us who go to see the team in person have.

yup this is the owner of the knicks. basically he holds his own customer base hostage. just an awful person

rip the old penn station

franco12 wrote:they just limited the permit to ten years - more like 10-20 years before anything even starts to move forward.

I've been spending too much time transit Grand Central and Penn - and what a world of difference. Penn is an absolute dump. Unacceptable how hot it is now in the summer. And ugly!

Here is the history:

Madison Square is formed by the intersection of Fifth Avenue and Broadway at 23rd Street in Manhattan, and was named for James Madison, fourth President of the United States.[7] It was the site of two venues called Madison Square Garden, the first from 1879 to 1890, and the second from 1890 to 1925. A third Madison Square Garden opened in a new location, on Eighth Avenue between 49th and 50th Streets, from 1925 to 1968.

On February 11, 1968, the current Madison Square Garden (sometimes referred to as Madison Square Garden IV) opened after the Pennsylvania Railroad tore down the above-ground portions of Pennsylvania Station. The new structure was one of the first of its kind to be built above the platforms of an active railroad station. It was an engineering feat constructed by Robert E. McKee of El Paso, Texas. Public outcry over the demolition of Pennsylvania Station structure—an outstanding example of Beaux-Arts architecture—led to the creation of the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. The Garden is located in the office and entertainment complex formally addressed as Pennsylvania Plaza and commonly known as Penn Plaza, named for the railroad station.

I figure it will take 20 years to do this which is all the renovation is likely good for. there was talk of knocking down the post office next door and build a garden there.

This year the big buzz will be the "flying bridge"!

Look at the pics of the old station.. it was a truley beautiful structure and a crying shame it was torn down.

There has been a "plan" to expand the tunnel to accomodate the NJ traffic for about 20 years now.

As for MSG I used to love going but I wont go to Knick game unless I get a free pass. I just wont give Dolans a dollar of my money.

gunsnewing wrote:Surprised no one brought this up. Jimmy Bean can't be happy after spending Billions of his own money on renovations and having the building torn down in only 10 short years. Maybe the Knicks will move to Newark and become the new NJ Nets and officially second class citizens to Brooklyn

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/66965

This afternoon City Council voted 47-1 to limit Madison Square Garden’s permit to 10 years. The arena, sitting atop Penn Station, had requested a permit in perpetuity, but a coalition of government officials, preservationists, and transportation advocates protested and pushed for a truncated 10-year renewal. Critics hope this term limit will ultimately encourage the re-location of the Garden to allow for a complete overhaul of the train station and an improved arena. According to DNA Info, the station is “North America’s busiest rail station,” and many have argued that it is beyond capacity and poses a safety risk for commuters. (Photo: doriandsp/Flickr)

I did bring it up, right before it was voted on. This sucks....if MSG moves, can it still be called the worlds most famous arena since, it won't be the same arena?

That said, I can imagine what a New Arena would look like. Dolan WILL MAKE SURE any new Knicks venue will make the Nets arena look like a porta potty.