playa2 wrote:Anything that could lead to race are avoided here, people can't discuss it with an open mind.
It would have been the longest thread ever.

Flat wrong: we have had plenty of threads that are race related.

Zim's father might have seen that proper protocols were met but racism and outcry for justice forced the DA to prosecute and with the benefit of hindsight, we confirm there was not enough to convict.

Let me be clear on one thing, Im not defending Zimmerman and I think it was an awful tragic moment were both men collided with prejudice and one had a gun. Trayvon should have been left alone and he commited no crime to justify Zimmerman stopping him. Zimmerman also did not commit a crime by stopping him. After that, both men exchanged in some capacity liability to which could not be sorted out. I don't believe Zimmerman intent was to kill. Thats not to say he is not guilty of some form of manslaughter.

While I won't defend Zimmerman at the same time I won't defend Martin. I defend due process.

Racism played a big role and perhaps in the form of the black community (justified) outrage and demanding some process to bring justice. Again, in hindsight we can question this based on the result.

Zimmerman is entitled to his rights as well and that the process bringing him "to justice" is also within the letter of the law. Its a high profile case so everything was magnified.

Its a high profile case so bringing "justice" by black groups might also be forgetting the daily shootings in our big cities, and how many black men are not given due process and railroaded thru justices so a conviction can be made? Thus, might the resources be better used to help others who are being unfairly prosecuted? Do racists come in all shapes and colors as well?

The Florida law perhaps not a very good one. It is this law and the disputable events that formed the trail.

The Dept of Justice reviewed the case and could have found any irregularities. Im not aware there are any that can point to a specific one that could justify a reversal.

I guess the real question is did due process play out? Not saying "justice was served" because a young man is dead and nobody is convicted which can't sit well emotionally with a lot of people.

Like I said, its a high profile case and every day there are perhaps dozens of other cases that could warrant support and resources that could bring justice or defend the rights of the innocent instead of going after zimmerman.

Jackie Robinson in florida nearly 70 years ago has nothing to do with anything. Sanford is redneck florida and Jackie robinson had problems in lots of towns as well.

I've been to Sanford, FLA and its crap.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

playa2 wrote:Anything that could lead to race are avoided here, people can't discuss it with an open mind.
It would have been the longest thread ever.

Flat wrong: we have had plenty of threads that are race related.

playa your the most close minded person around here. You believe what you believe and anyone else are just sheep following the media controlled by rich anglosaxon white aliens.

Fishmike , being opinionated doesn't equate with being closed minded. It just means I have a voice.

This song was inspired by this event

playa2 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Its a tragic event which racism played a major role on both sides.

Zim's father might have seen that proper protocols were met but racism and outcry for justice forced the DA to prosecute and with the benefit of hindsight, we confirm there was not enough to convict.

1st cop on the scene was calling for manslaughter, he later changed his tune. They believed the testimony of the one alive, the kid on the ground dead was considered a John Doe.
Nobody went door to door and ask did they know the kid,Zimmermann's story was believed , because dead men don't talk.

Playa,

You generally look for the result that suites you and work backwards.

Your picking out facts to justify you opinion but not the big picture.

Forget what an aszhole Zimmerman was, or what an angel Martin was or was not. It don't matter. Zimmerman exibited bad judgement and was prejudiced in his profile of Martin but I don't believe his intent was to murder him. There was a confrontation and nobody knows but Zimmerman what really happend.

The rest I already discussed. Don't matter what the first cop was calling for.

We do agree on something....

Thats not to say he is not guilty of some form of manslaughter.

and LIke Fish said, the guy might not be in jail but he is not "free". The Martin family will own his ass.

Remember the florida law and the presumed innocent factor. Zimmerman might have been guilty but they could not convict him. Its why the DA was reluctant to go after him and remember the public outcry for Zimmermans arrest!

Was justice served? Likley not. Was Due prosess implimented? Likely so.

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

playa2 wrote:Anything that could lead to race are avoided here, people can't discuss it with an open mind.
It would have been the longest thread ever.

Flat wrong: we have had plenty of threads that are race related.

playa your the most close minded person around here. You believe what you believe and anyone else are just sheep following the media controlled by rich anglosaxon white aliens.

Fishmike , being opinionated doesn't equate with being closed minded. It just means I have a voice.

playa2 wrote:This case showed that Fla had a horrendous law and the accused was treated different than the avg perp. Twist it anyway you want, change the topic if you want, but it is what it is.

Its not an avg case and never was.

How was he treated different than the avg Perp? No videos to speak for you this time? NO cut and paste to plagerize?

In your own words playa, in you own words.