Papabear wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:I am pretty sure the statement about Copeland not making the team was made before game 1 of the Celtic series. Woodson said he didn't think Cope was good enough to make the team and that by the end of the season he was starting in the playoffs.

Papabear Says

Whats the Camby excuse?

playa2 wrote:Like I've been saying there is a dark secret over the knicks owner James Dolan and his side kick Isiah.

What loyalties does Isiah have for orange blue and white ? NONE

I think coming from Chicago and playing in Detroit , he wants the NY knicks to suck and look bad and has convinced James Dolan to do the same. The proof has been in unseemly decisions & choices that most execs wouldn't have done , fans included.

Why would Dolan want his team to lose.

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Frank Isola
As teams get better in the East, and James Dolan up to his old tricks, Knicks could be headed for a fall
Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce have invaded Carmelo Anthony's turf, joining the Nets who have surpassed the Knicks as the best team in New York, and if you believe the orange and blue are a serious threat to win you probably believe in unicorns, Baron Davis' alien story and Metta World Peace.
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Saturday, July 20, 2013, 7:00 PM

A big issue is that James Dolan is still throwing his weight around and throwing temper tantrums. The man behind the curtain who refuses to answer questions and address his loyal fan base is very much in charge.
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A big issue is that James Dolan is still throwing his weight around and throwing temper tantrums. The man behind the curtain who refuses to answer questions and address his loyal fan base is very much in charge.
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LAS VEGAS — This was supposed to be the month when Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would finally become partners in New York, forming the perfect free-agent marriage of superstar scorer and superstar point guard.

You remember that infamous toast from a few years ago, right? Anthony, Paul and Amar'e Stoudemire were plotting to become the Knicks’ answer to LeBron, Wade and Bosh. That's what Paul hinted at before the Knicks went all in on Tyson Chandler, essentially eliminating the them from having a chance to sign Paul when he became a free agent three week ago.

So instead, Anthony and Paul found themselves together in Beijing last week promoting Nike and undoubtedly discussing the state and future of their respective teams. For Paul, it's been a good summer. Doc Rivers is now his coach, the Clippers have surpassed the Lakers as the best team in Los Angeles and can call themselves a legitimate contender.

As for Melo? The last few weeks have been about as much fun as having your knee drained.

Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce have invaded his turf, joining the Nets who have surpassed the Knicks as the best team in New York, and if you believe the orange and blue are a serious threat to win you probably believe in unicorns, Baron Davis' alien story and Metta World Peace.
The Nets are now stacked with the additions of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry.
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The Nets are now stacked with the additions of Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Jason Terry.

The Heat still has LeBron. Chicago, Indiana and Brooklyn all got better and don't look now but Cleveland has a plan and is headed in the right direction. The Knicks, as presently put together, are still a playoff team and one capable of winning between 45 and 52 games. But claiming they've improved is like trying to convince someone that Stoudemire's knees will hold up for 82 games. Nothing wrong with being optimistic but reality and history can be as jarring as Roy Hibbert's block on Anthony in Game 6.

Anthony ended the season with a damaged shoulder that as of now won't need surgery but could be a recurring issue. Stoudemire will be on a minute restriction, Chandler is coming off a disappointing spring, J.R. Smith just had knee surgery, first-round pick Tim Hardaway Jr. hurt his wrist and played one summer league game, Iman Shumpert is on the owner's bad side and the team is selling World Peace as the unifying locker room presence. Oh boy, indeed.

Jason Kidd, the point guard that had the knack of seeing plays develop before anyone else, obviously saw this one coming from a mile away. He didn't retire as much as he escaped.

The trade for Andrea Bargnani is, in theory, a good one. The Knicks didn't give up much to get the former top overall pick from the Toronto Raptors. Scoring, however, wasn't the Knicks’ problem last season as much as defense was. And Bargnani ain't helping in that area. The same goes for rebounding. Plus, there is no telling how his presence will impact Stoudemire, whose contract and knees have turned him into this decades’ Allan Houston.

But what worries you more than just the composition of the roster is the dysfunction inside James Dolan's house. Okay, that's somewhat redundant but it's still troubling. The Knicks apparently signed Smith to a three-year contract with a player option for a fourth year just five days before he had surgery that could keep him sidelined up to four months.
Carmelo Anthony ends the season with a damaged shoulder that as of now won't need surgery but could be a recurring issue.
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Carmelo Anthony ends the season with a damaged shoulder that as of now won't need surgery but could be a recurring issue.

The Knicks say they were well aware of Smith's condition and didn't see a problem with making a long-term commitment to a player headed for the operating room. You hope for the best but the real Knick fan out there thinks about Bernard King, Patrick Ewing, Antonio McDyess, Houston and Stoudemire and realizes that with knees and basketball players there are no guarantees. Well, except for their contracts of course.

Alas, the story changed quickly. Even though Knicks general manager Glen Grunwald acknowledged that Smith was under contract for four years, somehow the deal became a two-year contract with a player option. That's swell, but it still doesn't explain why the Knicks couldn't just sign Smith to a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. Or did they really think another team was ready to pounce on the mercurial shooting guard on his way to the Hospital for Special Surgery?

The last time the Knicks bid against themselves, they handed Houston the richest contract in franchise history. That was Dolan's first big move of the post Dave Checketts era. And as the saying goes, the hits just keep on coming.

The signing of World Peace (Ron Artest), in theory, is also okay. He can defend, he's tough, he comes cheap and he’s entertaining, which if you haven't figured out is what they are really selling at MSG. He's also done things in the past that make Smith look like a choir boy. But talking to coaches and executives here last week, they all like Metta and swear that he is a good teammate.

"It was fine to work with him," says one Lakers coach. "Most of the time, he has good days. But when he has a bad day it is a really bad day."
The Knicks add eccentric ex-Laker Metta World Peace during the offseason.
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Let's assume that Metta will be a model citizen and is all grown up now. Those same coaches and executives believe that will be the case. But they were also near unanimous in that they feel Metta the basketball player has reached his expiration date.

I guess the only question is if Metta expires before Shumpert, one of the few Knicks that have value. Dolan is reportedly upset that Shumpert wasn't interested in working with the summer league team and wants to trade him. Shumpert, I've heard, isn't too crazy about the moves the Knicks had made which could further stunt his development.

The bigger issue is that Dolan is still throwing his weight around and throwing temper tantrums. The man behind the curtain who refuses to answer questions and address his loyal fan base is very much in charge. He was the driving force behind the grand plan to acquire Melo, Amar'e and Chris Paul. Instead, the Knicks’ three big moves this summer were to form the alliance of Bargnani, Smith and Metta World Peace.

That none of the three were formally introduced with a traditional press conference is somewhat telling. Leave it to the scene stealing Nets to televise the Garnett and Pierce press conference live last week.

The Knicks, who have their own network, went as dark as the Garden in June. My theory is that Dolan didn't want to preempt any of his summer programming on MSG Network.

You know, those fan favorites like "Serpico" and the Knicks legend series featuring Baron Davis and Rasheed Wallace.

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EnySpree wrote:Stop the bull****....

get back to following the team and stop feeding into the media bull****. Isola obviously has an agenda....

this is a new era....Grunwald is doing a great job so far....not perfect but we are in great shape and we are in a fantastic position to win now and rebuild again in 2 years....

stop complaining about nothing...or get some counceling or something

Exactly. You what just wake up after 15 years of letargic sleep?
This is NY Knicks Man. This is what they do. Didn't you get it already?

Frank Isola wrote:That's swell, but it still doesn't explain why the Knicks couldn't just sign Smith to a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. Or did they really think another team was ready to pounce on the mercurial shooting guard on his way to the Hospital for Special Surgery?

Frank should spend more time on the free agency rules and less time on his personal vendetta. Maybe he would know that the early bird exception has to be a minimum of 2 years if he did.

It's fare to knock the Knicks for the old players they had last year and that they mostly broke down and wore down at the end of the season. I just think they have to be fare and acknowledge that the team still won the #2 seed and they did so even with a lot of injuries. Now they should have a stronger team overall and they shouldn't be looking at the team as a mess and destined to fail. WHY? This team had a bad playoff series, but that's not a reason to suggest that the Knicks could fall off this year. All of a sudden every injury is not gonna heal. No players we brought in are gonna help the team in a significant way. It's just Hater B.S. Just like last year. They were wrong last year and who knows, they might be wrong again this year.

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Stop the bull****....

get back to following the team and stop feeding into the media bull****. Isola obviously has an agenda....

this is a new era....Grunwald is doing a great job so far....not perfect but we are in great shape and we are in a fantastic position to win now and rebuild again in 2 years....

stop complaining about nothing...or get some counceling or something

Isola always has an agenda but he has been really slinging it lately. He is very anti Metta and felt betrayed again about the JR move. I agree about Grunwald doing a great job and it being a new era. It is easy to say same old Knicks but that hasn't been the case since Grunwald has been in place. Same old Knicks is a cop out in my opinion and so is devaluing every move the Knicks make and hyping up other teams moves. It would be interesting to see what Frank would say if the Knicks did what the Nets did. My guess, something to the effect of, the Knicks traded 3 first rounders, a valuable guy with a big expiring contract, their first round pick from two years ago, and a guy that brought a ton of effort to the team but had a bad contract for a 38 year old and two thirty six year olds who looked to be on their last legs for almost all of last season. The guy is an easy read. Get ready for him to trash the next signing or trade.

This whole JR thing seems to have pushed Isola over the edge! Obviously he's reliving former Dolan battles, and has lost perspective as he's been wrong about nearly everything with regards to the story.

1) He starts off by claiming JR covered up his injury and the Knicks were unaware of it- WRONG! They knew about it, and he was playing hurt throughout the season

2)JR deliberately put off surgery until he signed his contract- he is a monster! WRONG, most nba players do this, as would I. Besides which, he was also seeing if rest would help, like Melo has with his shoulder.

3) Knicks are mad to give him a 4 year contract! disaster! WRONG- it was a 2 year contract with a player option

4) Knicks should have given him a 1 yr $5 mil contract- no one else wanted him! WRONG- as Andrew pointed out 2 years is the minimum, also how the heck is 2 yrs a problem- we're capped out next season and wouldn't be able to offer the $5mil to anyone else, AND other teams would definitley have offered more than a 1 year $5mil contract, knee surgery or not!

5) JR has a chronic knee injury meaning it is degenerating all the time. WRONG! By "chronic" it meant the tears happened gradually over time, rather than one particular incident- like Lin's meniscus tear. Not the same as having a degenerating condition.

At the end of the day, we have him signed for 2 years (he'll opt out regardless of how he's playing), with money we couldn't have used on anyone else, and for a number that makes him tradeable ($10mil per year for Ellis! $8mil per year for nearly every other SG at JRs level). What is the problem?