First round opponent:

Knicks:

Held the Celtics to 82.3 points per game on 41.3% shooting.

Heat:

Helds the Bucks to 85.3 points per game on 43.3% shooting.

Vs. Indiana Pacers (common opponent)

Knicks:

Held Indiana to 89.5 points a game on 42.5% shooting

Heat:

Held Indiana to 91.4 points a game (to be fair, including one 5 min overtime in game 1 of 7 game series) on 45.6% shooting.

Heat went onto win the NBA championship.

According to common wisdom, Knicks are apparently so bad defensively they can NEVER have any postseason success ... ever, Amare Stoudemire should retire outta embarrassment, Tyson Chandler should be traded for a 12-pack of Icy Hots for Melo's shoulder, Mike Woodson should be fired, and the skies are just so dark and gray.

Discuss...

Now is it possible that maybe, just maybe a lack of offensive output had more to do with our loss than defense?

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Here is a post I got from another board:

First round opponent:

Knicks:

Held the Celtics to 82.3 points per game on 41.3% shooting.

Heat:

Helds the Bucks to 85.3 points per game on 43.3% shooting.

Vs. Indiana Pacers (common opponent)

Knicks:

Held Indiana to 89.5 points a game on 42.5% shooting

Heat:

Held Indiana to 91.4 points a game (to be fair, including one 5 min overtime in game 1 of 7 game series) on 45.6% shooting.

Heat went onto win the NBA championship.

According to common wisdom, Knicks are apparently so bad defensively they can NEVER have any postseason success ... ever, Amare Stoudemire should retire outta embarrassment, Tyson Chandler should be traded for a 12-pack of Icy Hots for Melo's shoulder, Mike Woodson should be fired, and the skies are just so dark and gray.

Discuss...

Now is it possible that maybe, just maybe a lack of offensive output had more to do with our loss than defense?

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:It was definitely part of it. If you isolate Tyson, he couldn't stop Hibbert on d and he had a tough time doing what he normally does on offense. If you consider that JR and Kidd were horrific on the offensive end it definitely speaks to your point. Hopefully having a new number 2 option in Bargs remedies that some.

and obviously the Knicks can't count on Amare much, but he was another option that was missing.

I am wondering how bad off Chandler was at the end of the year. We all knew about the neck thing, but it was reported that he only recently re-gained weight that he last. That's a LONG time to recover and the 10-15 pounds is a lot for a guy with his body type.

With that said Woody still blew the Pacers series he needed more offense and would of benefited by playing Cope heavy minutes to stretch the floor.

Dumping to Melo may work in the regular season just fine, but when teams prepare for it he will get exposed every single time. The Celtics offense was even more pathetic than ours with Rondo missing and Pierce hobbled, so we escaped that one. It's not that we need MORE offense, it's that we need a game plan, which on the offensive side seems to be completely beyond Woody's capability. We played the best bball, when he was still following MDA's play book earlier on in the season, then he went away from that and started using his own ideas.

Bonn1997 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Here is a post I got from another board:

First round opponent:

Knicks:

Held the Celtics to 82.3 points per game on 41.3% shooting.

Heat:

Helds the Bucks to 85.3 points per game on 43.3% shooting.

Vs. Indiana Pacers (common opponent)

Knicks:

Held Indiana to 89.5 points a game on 42.5% shooting

Heat:

Held Indiana to 91.4 points a game (to be fair, including one 5 min overtime in game 1 of 7 game series) on 45.6% shooting.

Heat went onto win the NBA championship.

According to common wisdom, Knicks are apparently so bad defensively they can NEVER have any postseason success ... ever, Amare Stoudemire should retire outta embarrassment, Tyson Chandler should be traded for a 12-pack of Icy Hots for Melo's shoulder, Mike Woodson should be fired, and the skies are just so dark and gray.

Discuss...

Now is it possible that maybe, just maybe a lack of offensive output had more to do with our loss than defense?

Not only is it possible, it's highly probable. Unfortunately, we have worsened the defense without improving the offense this summer.

how you come up with that?

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Here is a post I got from another board:

First round opponent:

Knicks:

Held the Celtics to 82.3 points per game on 41.3% shooting.

Heat:

Helds the Bucks to 85.3 points per game on 43.3% shooting.

Vs. Indiana Pacers (common opponent)

Knicks:

Held Indiana to 89.5 points a game on 42.5% shooting

Heat:

Held Indiana to 91.4 points a game (to be fair, including one 5 min overtime in game 1 of 7 game series) on 45.6% shooting.

Heat went onto win the NBA championship.

According to common wisdom, Knicks are apparently so bad defensively they can NEVER have any postseason success ... ever, Amare Stoudemire should retire outta embarrassment, Tyson Chandler should be traded for a 12-pack of Icy Hots for Melo's shoulder, Mike Woodson should be fired, and the skies are just so dark and gray.

Discuss...

Now is it possible that maybe, just maybe a lack of offensive output had more to do with our loss than defense?

Not only is it possible, it's highly probable. Unfortunately, we have worsened the defense without improving the offense this summer.

How did we worsened the defense?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

KEEPCAMBYNY wrote:Here is a post I got from another board:

First round opponent:

Knicks:

Held the Celtics to 82.3 points per game on 41.3% shooting.

Heat:

Helds the Bucks to 85.3 points per game on 43.3% shooting.

Vs. Indiana Pacers (common opponent)

Knicks:

Held Indiana to 89.5 points a game on 42.5% shooting

Heat:

Held Indiana to 91.4 points a game (to be fair, including one 5 min overtime in game 1 of 7 game series) on 45.6% shooting.

Heat went onto win the NBA championship.

According to common wisdom, Knicks are apparently so bad defensively they can NEVER have any postseason success ... ever, Amare Stoudemire should retire outta embarrassment, Tyson Chandler should be traded for a 12-pack of Icy Hots for Melo's shoulder, Mike Woodson should be fired, and the skies are just so dark and gray.

Discuss...

Now is it possible that maybe, just maybe a lack of offensive output had more to do with our loss than defense?

Not only is it possible, it's highly probable. Unfortunately, we have worsened the defense without improving the offense this summer.

How did we worsened the defense?

Right now, minutes that would have gone to K-Mart, Novak, and Copeland will go to Bargnani

Subtracting Novak and Copelands minutes on defense is addition by subtraction, no?

Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs D has been consistently the worst of all those players. All the #s indicate that. You're just doing wishful thinking.
Cope's defense toward the end of the season and in the post-season was actually very good. In the post-season, his man scored only 99 points per 100 possessions.

Cope has only played in 56 career games....most of his time against 2nd and 3rd team players. He only has played over 30 minutes in 6 games. Pretty much of a stretch to base his defense on a spike in limited reserve time during two playoff series. Would be like me taking the best Barg defensive stretch of his career and basing his defensive assessment solely on that data.

Novak played a different position - also in an increasingly limited role

Kmart is a better defender by far than any of these guys. He was brought in later in the year.....if brought back, there is no way to know what his role will be. It may be identical to the one he had last year spelling both PF and center.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bargs D has been consistently the worst of all those players. All the #s indicate that. You're just doing wishful thinking.
Cope's defense toward the end of the season and in the post-season was actually very good. In the post-season, his man scored only 99 points per 100 possessions.

I still dont understand why people love Bargnani. Seen him play a lot i understand why Raptor fans had it with him. I mean many Toronto fans were actually thanking us for taking him off their hands and actually giving them decent assets for him in which other teams refused to do

I remember us Knicks fans kissing Donald Sterling and the Clippers feet for taking ZBo off our hand, how'd that turn out?