here he is killing us a few years back.

-- note that he easily shoots over wilson chandler (6'8) and gallinari (6'10) in the post.
-- he's also a really good passer out of the post. has some nice no-looks, is patient with the ball, and is able to find the open man regularly, especially when a double team is sent.
-- how many times does he set up on the perimeter in that clip? a few high PnR's, but this guy isn't a perimeter jump shooter who shies from contact.

i would imagine the Knicks will try to play him and Melo together a lot -- that will create a LOT of mismatches.

disregard Bargnani last year -- he was on a bad team, he was hurt, and the fans had openly turned on him and would boo him when he'd come into games. the guy was checked out (not the first NBA player to quit on the raptors - see vince carter).

i know the consensus is the Knicks gave up a lot but this guy's a talented scorer, a legitimate 7 footer with offensive skills, and will open up a lot of mismatches for Carmelo.

also, let's keep in mind that we can bank on STAT playing about 15 games next year. the guy gets banged up every 5 minutes. in the layup line, walking to the locker room, he is a walking injury. we needed to add another post scorer and we got a good one for Novak, Camby, and a pick that, because of its "swap" with Denver was going to be in the 20s anyway.

good trade for the Knicks

BigSm00th wrote:this idea that Bargnani is some sort of small forward or Copeland redux is sort of bizarre to me.

here he is killing us a few years back.

-- note that he easily shoots over wilson chandler (6'8) and gallinari (6'10) in the post.
-- he's also a really good passer out of the post. has some nice no-looks, is patient with the ball, and is able to find the open man regularly, especially when a double team is sent.
-- how many times does he set up on the perimeter in that clip? a few high PnR's, but this guy isn't a perimeter jump shooter who shies from contact.

i would imagine the Knicks will try to play him and Melo together a lot -- that will create a LOT of mismatches.

disregard Bargnani last year -- he was on a bad team, he was hurt, and the fans had openly turned on him and would boo him when he'd come into games. the guy was checked out (not the first NBA player to quit on the raptors - see vince carter).

i know the consensus is the Knicks gave up a lot but this guy's a talented scorer, a legitimate 7 footer with offensive skills, and will open up a lot of mismatches for Carmelo.

also, let's keep in mind that we can bank on STAT playing about 15 games next year. the guy gets banged up every 5 minutes. in the layup line, walking to the locker room, he is a walking injury. we needed to add another post scorer and we got a good one for Novak, Camby, and a pick that, because of its "swap" with Denver was going to be in the 20s anyway.

good trade for the Knicks

I agree 100% bigsmooth--I actually posted the same thing. Braganai at his best is in the post. Yes he can hit the three but his best game is for a coach to keep him on the block MUCH more than when he played in Toronto and give hima responsibility to rebound as well. Hes 7-0 260 and shoots 85% from the FT line with good post skill. We dont need him launching 7 threes. we need him taking 10 point blank shots 3-4 mid range and 1-2 three's--work on moving the ball and getting rebounds on both ends.

replay Indiana series where Chandler was absolutely killing us. Put Bargnani in at C and Melo at 4. you gotta keep Hibbert on Bargnani, and Bargnani can just drift out to the 3 point in that scenario and pull a shotblocker and anchor of the D away from the hoop. every step Hibbert is away from the hoop he loses effectiveness on D.

I love Melo at the 4 and he's really effective there, but i think the most optimal usage of him is slightly less minutes at the 4 and pairing him with a guy like Bargnani - that way he can really pick and choose his spots in the post and exploit smaller guys when they're on him.

tkf wrote:I thought the knicks got him to space the floor? oh well, there goes that one... Almost every player will have a highlight reel or two of them scoring in the post.. doesn't make them a post player....

lets do this.. lets start pulling up highlights of him rebounding, scoring in the paint and protecting the basket... that is what the knicks needed... good luck finding enough of that to last 2 minutes....

LOL the above clip is 8 minutes from the same game. he is a 7 foot center.

tkf wrote:I thought the knicks got him to space the floor? oh well, there goes that one... Almost every player will have a highlight reel or two of them scoring in the post.. doesn't make them a post player....

lets do this.. lets start pulling up highlights of him rebounding, scoring in the paint and protecting the basket... that is what the knicks needed... good luck finding enough of that to last 2 minutes....

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:I thought the knicks got him to space the floor? oh well, there goes that one... Almost every player will have a highlight reel or two of them scoring in the post.. doesn't make them a post player....

lets do this.. lets start pulling up highlights of him rebounding, scoring in the paint and protecting the basket... that is what the knicks needed... good luck finding enough of that to last 2 minutes....

The Knicks needed talent, size and scoring. No one other than Melo and occasionally Felton, Shump, and Prigs could score for the Knicks against the Pacers. I remember Bargs always seemed to kill the Knicks. Great pick up for almost nothing. Can't wait to see him running with the Knicks.

Like i've said, this is a player that gives this team something it lacked. They wanted Sheed to give the team a big who could post and also stretch the floor and that is what AB does best. He is highly skilled in the post but also has a great pump fake and ability to get to the hoop off a couple of dribbles. Knick fans that are being Debbie Downer's will have to stay quiet when this team is getting additional scoring it needs. Not to mention he's right in his prime years. He's been humbled and now is looking for a chance to redeem himself.

I'm just glad that there are enough fans who actually realize that this was a good move by the Knicks to try and address the need for another legit scorer. We played such good BB when Sheed was healthy and giving us that big who could do a few different things and to be honest Sheed wasn't actually shooting great. If AB can improve his effort on the boards and defense we'll be in good shape.

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:I thought the knicks got him to space the floor? oh well, there goes that one... Almost every player will have a highlight reel or two of them scoring in the post.. doesn't make them a post player....

lets do this.. lets start pulling up highlights of him rebounding, scoring in the paint and protecting the basket... that is what the knicks needed... good luck finding enough of that to last 2 minutes....

I think we should bring this guy in to teach Shumpert how to run the floor in transition....Sonny Weems is a "Transition Player"....

I agree, Shump does need work on his transition game and his dribble. One thing I'll say about Shump is that he can cover ground faster than a lot of guys in the league. I believe part of it has to do with his stride. If Shump can combine his foot speed with an improved handle, look out. Its great that he wants to play in SL.

JamesKPolk wrote:Might be the worst post of all-time.

Praise from Caesar.

JamesKPolk wrote:Might be the worst post of all-time.

How about you go kick rocks!

And that we got a damn good player on our hands

CrushAlot wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:I love the wishful thinking but I don't think we are a much better team now then the day before we got Bargnani. He doesn't even move us from being a #5 seed. Lateral move at best since he is still one of the worst rebounders and defenders in the game. If you are trading first round picks you better be making moves to help get a championship in your grasp. This doesn't qualify

Knicks were the number 2 seed. The games haven't been played. Teams have improved but Bargs could be a huge addition. The Knicks traded a pick that is relevant three years from now that the Nuggets have the right to switch with them. 9/10 times that pick is a role player if you scout well.

We were the #2 seed in a conference were the Bulls missed Rose for a year, the Pacers missed Granger for a year and the Nets weren't nearly as stacked as they are now for a 2 year run. Picks are assets. Everyone here seems to like Shumpert and Hardaway Jr. Both guys picked in the later half of the 1st round. Even the 2nd rounders sting. We could draft and stash a Foreign player like the Spurs did with Ginobli. I just don't think that adding Bargnani really makes that much of a difference for us and our outlook next year. To lose a commodity like a first rounder for a guy who won't bring us any closer to 'chip just doesn't make sense to me. That pick could have been packaged with Stat's expiring to make him more attractive to another team.

I am not a hater and I won't root for him to fail but I just think whatever he gives us on offense he will take away with atrocious rebounding and poor defense. I believe it's a lateral move at best. Also I think if the guys here talking up Bargnani's game were asked their opinion of him as a player 2 weeks before we traded for him, it wouldn't be as positive as it is today.