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callmened
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7/7/2013  8:59 PM
This is the only basketball action available. It will be interesting to see how the rookies play. (BRIGGS - your boy Olynyk looked GREAT!)
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/7/2013  10:53 PM
Love that Shump wants to work on his weaknesses in SL. Didn't have to.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1696267-key-storylines-for-ny-knicks-summer-league-team

The New York Knicks, among several other NBA squads, officially tip off 2013-14 basketball next week in the Las Vegas Summer League. It's the first opportunity for fans to catch glimpses of first-round pick Tim Hardaway Jr. in action and place bets on who could become this year's Chris Copeland (Copeland signed a non-guaranteed deal with New York last July, and his Summer League performance played a role in his making the final roster).

With the Knicks nearly tapped out of funds to sign impact free agents—they still have several holes that need patching throughout the roster—they'll certainly be open to any sort of cheap talent this offseason. With only one draft pick over the next three years, New York's summer rosters will likely be under its microscope more closely than ever before.

The Vegas league packs a few storylines worth keeping an eye on. Here are a few Knicks things to monitor while the Carmelo Anthonys and Tyson Chandlers of the world are out of the office.

Iman Shumpert's Willingness to Advance his Game in Vegas

In Iman Shumpert's exit interview following the Knicks' season-ending series loss to the Indiana Pacers, he surprised some by declaring his readiness to participate in the upcoming Vegas summer league games—games that are instructional by nature and are made up of mostly first-and-second-year players.

His reasoning for the decision was to round out his to-this-point-inconsistent offensive game, and to spend more time being coached under Mike Woodson's staff. "It can't be anything but positive for me," Shumpert said to the New York media.


Shoring up his mid-range game should be a priority for Shumpert out West.

Entering his third season as a Knick, it will be Shumpert's first appearance in Summer League action. The league's games were cancelled due to the lockout in his rookie campaign, and the swingman was recovering from knee surgery last July.

Shumpert told reporters than the Knicks would like him to be "more decisive offensively," and the 22-year-old said that steady offense must be expected of him next season, instead of being an added bonus to his stellar defense. So it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to see Shumpert handling the ball often against Vegas competition.

Days later came a tweet from ESPN New York's Jared Zwerling, further describing what the Knicks would like from Shump in 2014.

The biggest hole in Shumpert's game at its current state is his ball-handling and decision-making. He's conquered his lifelong battle from the three-point line last season—he shot over 40 percent from the arc, bettering his marks from 2011-12 and each season he played at Georgia Tech.

Rounding out his offense is the priority entering this season, and the team will likely run Shumpert at some point guard in Vegas to work on his handle and ability to facilitate.

The move likely won't be geared towards a major overhaul in Shumpert's future plans, but rather to fix up his suspect offense. His weaknesses line up directly with skills that point guards must excel at. So with some luck, this summer will help him evolve into a point guard option for Mike Woodson. But more realistically, it will expose him to his offensive shortcomings and provide an opportunity to fine tune them, in order to better implement them as a 2 or 3.

Is Chris Smith a Legit NBA Talent?

Even before J.R. Smith re-upped with the Knicks for four years, via ESPN, there were reports from the New York Post that the sixth man wouldn't be straying far from home—in fact, part of his home would come closer to him.

Post beat writer Marc Berman implied that J.R.'s brother Chris Smith, who played college ball at Lousiville and played on the Knicks summer team last July, would be offered a contract with New York if the Sixth Man of the Year returned to the Big Apple at a relative discount. This of course would be a punishable offense, since no deal may be contingent upon another.

Berman referenced this tweet by Chris Smith, which came shortly after the Knicks were eliminated from the postseason. Neither brother had a contract with the Knicks for 2014 at the time of the tweet (Chris still doesn't).

The 25-year-old Smith averaged 9.5 points on 43 percent shooting in his final two years at Louisville. He failed to impress in last year's Summer League—he shot just 29 percent from the floor—but somehow still appeared to be destined for Madison Square Garden until a knee injury ended the Smith family reunion before it began.

The Knicks are giving the sibling another chance this July, and it will be extremely telling if he manages to slide onto the NBA roster this fall. The team has J.R. Smith, Tim Hardaway, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and Pablo Prigioni all fighting for time in the backcourt, and could use a bigger body out of their 15th man.

Who Can Emerge from the Pack of Unknowns?

The Knicks invited, via ESPN, a variety of little-known names to Vegas, including former NC State forward C.J. Leslie, local product A.J. Matthews of Farmingdale State, Jerome Jordan who spent the 2011-12 season riding the Knicks' bench, point guard Toure Murray of Wichita State and Tony Mitchell, a forward formerly of Alabama (not to be confused with the point guard Tony Mitchell, who was drafted by the Detroit Pistons).

Jordan speaks after a 23-point, 17-board, two-block game last April.

The team could desperately use a big body to remedy its rebounding woes from a season ago. With Marcus Camby out and Andrea Bargnani reportedly in, Tyson Chandler has no true backup underneath him on the depth chart. Jerome Jordan is a seven-footer with some NBA experience under his belt, and showed some promise in limited time with the Knicks and in the D-League two seasons ago. His overseas career packs some reasons for optimism as well.

Jordan recorded three double-doubles in six games playing in the Philippines last spring.

Leslie is another candidate for the team's final squad, despite going undrafted. He stands at 6'9", and his athleticism has, at times, set him aside from his peers.

Leslie managed to shoot the three-ball at a respectable 33 percent last season at NC State, while grabbing 7.4 rebounds and swatting over a shot per game.

Aside from Shumpert and Hardaway, will a Knick currently on the Vegas roster contribute to the 2013-14 Knicks?
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It's simple: The Knicks need athletic bodies in their frontcourt. Last year's experiment of stacking the forward and center spots with grizzled-yet-fragile veterans ultimately failed, and the team must get younger at those spots right away.

Their lack of depth can be blamed as a direct cause of Tyson Chandler's playoff downfall—the team had no sufficient backup for Chandler through much of the year, leading to the center playing way too many minutes and eventually breaking down at the worst possible time. A young, athletic body or two could alleviate the stress on Chandler.

For the capped-out Knicks, there won't be a much better place to find reinforcements than Las Vegas.

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7/8/2013  6:23 PM
callmened wrote:This is the only basketball action available. It will be interesting to see how the rookies play. (BRIGGS - your boy Olynyk looked GREAT!)

Yes Olynyk was taking people to school.

I thought most impressive player was Drummond - closest athlete I've seen to Shaq that I can recall.

Thought Trey Burke looked awful - I'd be a tad worried if I were Utah. Looked unathletic and small - didn't not see any sharp passes and he shot poorly.

Kabongo didn't impress.

Thought Plumlee looked solid --- very large man with explosive athleticism - but limited skill.

I thought Peyton Siva looked better than Burke.

Saw some flashes from T. Mitchell (Pistons) but also saw him fall asleep a few times.

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7/8/2013  8:43 PM
We have Jeremy Tyler on our SL roster Anibus has to be so thrilled beyond words.
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7/8/2013  9:57 PM
3G4G wrote:We have Jeremy Tyler on our SL roster Anibus has to be so thrilled beyond words.

I am.

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7/8/2013  10:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2013  10:14 PM
top 5 rookies so far

1.Kelly Olynck
2 Solomon Hill
3 Victor Olapido
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Rudy Gobert

I did not see MCW's first game but I saw it today. Hes got a lot of talent but hes going to be a wild ride because he cant shoot outside of 12 feet. I think he will be all right but hes going to need time. He ll have some big games but my bet is hes close to a 35% shooter who might be a high TO when forced to the dribble with that lack of a j.

Again I hope the Knicks are looking at a PG named Dwight Buycks on the OKC roster--hes been the best PG playing by far that I have seen--hes not signed and from what I read he was the MVP of the French league which has a lot of good players.

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7/8/2013  10:15 PM
BRIGGS wrote:top 5 rookies so far

1.Kelly Olynck
2 Solomon Hill
3 Victor Olapido
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Rudy Gobert

I did not see MCW's first game but I saw it today. Hes got a lot of talent but hes going to be a wild ride because he cant shoot outside of 12 feet. I think he will be all right but hes going to need time. He ll have some big games but my bet is hes close to a 35% shooter who might be a high TO when forced to the dribble with that lack of a j.

Again I hope the Knicks are looking at a PG named Dwight Buycks on the OKC roster--hes been the best PG playing by far that I have seen--hes not signed and from what I read he was the MVP of the French league which has a lot of good players.

Wow. A bit surprised about Gobert and Hill. Adams hasn't looked that great in the limited minutes I have seen him.
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7/8/2013  10:26 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:top 5 rookies so far

1.Kelly Olynck
2 Solomon Hill
3 Victor Olapido
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Rudy Gobert

I did not see MCW's first game but I saw it today. Hes got a lot of talent but hes going to be a wild ride because he cant shoot outside of 12 feet. I think he will be all right but hes going to need time. He ll have some big games but my bet is hes close to a 35% shooter who might be a high TO when forced to the dribble with that lack of a j.

Again I hope the Knicks are looking at a PG named Dwight Buycks on the OKC roster--hes been the best PG playing by far that I have seen--hes not signed and from what I read he was the MVP of the French league which has a lot of good players.

Wow. A bit surprised about Gobert and Hill. Adams hasn't looked that great in the limited minutes I have seen him.

Have to give credit to Grant Jerret as well he couldve been in the top 5. He looks like a version of Channing Frye. This was a 2nd round draft--there will be players that more so than many years make teams and contribute quickly despite being 2nd rounders. Right now the Hill pick looks like the best one considering that he was slotted in the 50's. Hes big and skilled. To be honest he looks like Chris Copeland a little in game but a better passer. I wonder if they wouldve signed Cope if they saw Hill play more.

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7/8/2013  11:21 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:top 5 rookies so far

1.Kelly Olynck
2 Solomon Hill
3 Victor Olapido
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Rudy Gobert

I did not see MCW's first game but I saw it today. Hes got a lot of talent but hes going to be a wild ride because he cant shoot outside of 12 feet. I think he will be all right but hes going to need time. He ll have some big games but my bet is hes close to a 35% shooter who might be a high TO when forced to the dribble with that lack of a j.

Again I hope the Knicks are looking at a PG named Dwight Buycks on the OKC roster--hes been the best PG playing by far that I have seen--hes not signed and from what I read he was the MVP of the French league which has a lot of good players.

Wow. A bit surprised about Gobert and Hill. Adams hasn't looked that great in the limited minutes I have seen him.

Plumlee could be higher too. If I had to be straight honest Plumlee looks like he could be stud PF. He is really big and athletic. he also hit two J's that he did not show in college that looked smooth.

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7/8/2013  11:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:top 5 rookies so far

1.Kelly Olynck
2 Solomon Hill
3 Victor Olapido
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Rudy Gobert

I did not see MCW's first game but I saw it today. Hes got a lot of talent but hes going to be a wild ride because he cant shoot outside of 12 feet. I think he will be all right but hes going to need time. He ll have some big games but my bet is hes close to a 35% shooter who might be a high TO when forced to the dribble with that lack of a j.

Again I hope the Knicks are looking at a PG named Dwight Buycks on the OKC roster--hes been the best PG playing by far that I have seen--hes not signed and from what I read he was the MVP of the French league which has a lot of good players.

Wow. A bit surprised about Gobert and Hill. Adams hasn't looked that great in the limited minutes I have seen him.

Plumlee could be higher too. If I had to be straight honest Plumlee looks like he could be stud PF. He is really big and athletic. he also hit two J's that he did not show in college that looked smooth.

I watched a bit of Plumlee playing. He looked really good.
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7/9/2013  12:56 AM
Plumlee looks great. So does Oladipo (who i thought was overated and would struggle)

KO looks great out there...like he belongs...i can easily see 15ppg/8rebs

as a syracuse fan, i never thought MCW was a fnished product. his skill set was intriguing...hes a great one-on-one player but dude cant shoot...his stat lines look horrible so far 4/20 ...4/27...smh

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/9/2013  11:02 AM
Think someone on this board said it, but why not invite Jorts (Harrelson) to the summer league roster?
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7/9/2013  11:07 AM
BRIGGS wrote:top 5 rookies so far

1.Kelly Olynck
2 Solomon Hill
3 Victor Olapido
4 Miles Plumlee
5 Rudy Gobert

I did not see MCW's first game but I saw it today. Hes got a lot of talent but hes going to be a wild ride because he cant shoot outside of 12 feet. I think he will be all right but hes going to need time. He ll have some big games but my bet is hes close to a 35% shooter who might be a high TO when forced to the dribble with that lack of a j.

Again I hope the Knicks are looking at a PG named Dwight Buycks on the OKC roster--hes been the best PG playing by far that I have seen--hes not signed and from what I read he was the MVP of the French league which has a lot of good players.

Yes - Solomon Hill looking like a very solid pick by Pacers. He looks really slim, but still solid and very strong --- very nice complimentary player. Almost like a rookie Landry Fields (but with a far superior 3-point stroke).

I thought Phil Pressey was impressive yesterday -- he was all over the place disrupting plays defensively. He showed great handles, excellent vision, tossed in a nice floater and knocked down a couple of 3's. Made a couple of bad passes but the kid has some swag --- just very small -- but tough as nails.

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7/9/2013  12:42 PM
Kelly Olynck was by far the best player so far--again he is showing different skills but posting the points as he scores easily inside.
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7/9/2013  12:51 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Kelly Olynck was by far the best player so far--again he is showing different skills but posting the points as he scores easily inside.

A little bit of Kevin Love the way he seems to man-handle guys down on the block.

Not only does he have an excellant array of moves and great footwork but he seems to have a very strong base that allows him to get guys off=balance as he takes the ball up thru or around them.

I didn't pay Olynyk much attention because he was one of those guys where I just didn't like his look (Gobert, Plumlee as well) but all 3 have looked solid so far.

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7/9/2013  1:15 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Kelly Olynck was by far the best player so far--again he is showing different skills but posting the points as he scores easily inside.

A little bit of Kevin Love the way he seems to man-handle guys down on the block.

Not only does he have an excellant array of moves and great footwork but he seems to have a very strong base that allows him to get guys off=balance as he takes the ball up thru or around them.

I didn't pay Olynyk much attention because he was one of those guys where I just didn't like his look (Gobert, Plumlee as well) but all 3 have looked solid so far.

I thought he was the best player in the draft--I mean a 7 footer who can dribble like a guard who has moves like kevin mchaleon the block scores easily out to three rebounds plays hard good passer who cares if a 7 footer can or cant jump out of the building hes 7 feet. Hes not a C but can play 4-5 easily. What 5 can guard him? OKC blew it.

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7/9/2013  1:24 PM
i didnt know his jumper was this good
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/9/2013  1:33 PM
Adams has a long way to go hes going to be in d league.
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7/9/2013  1:34 PM
Buycks--how does a team not sign him quick. He plays good team ball and hes a nice on ball defender as a 6-3 PG.
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7/9/2013  1:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2013  1:51 PM
Gotta give Indy credit -- Solomon Hill looks like a great pick at 23. I have to admit -- I love the guy and my first reaction was 'wow, good player but maybe a reach there,' and I'm sure I wasn't the only one.. Gutsy pick that's gonna pay off for them...I mean this guy could be as good a player as Jeff Green maybe...Strong, heady and very skilled. Very smooth too...I don't know if it was D Scott or Cellini today that said he plays like he's been in the league a long time, not like a rookie. So true. This dude played a lot of 4 at Arizona -- he's a definite 3 in the pros with a chance to see some time at 2G maybe with that skillset of his.

Phil Pressey has looked very good the last 2 days. Impressed with the ballhawk defense he's been playing on these opposing PGs. Can really apply pressure and be disruptive.

I know Mason Plumlee's the more highly thought-of brother between he & Miles, but I'm really impressed with Miles. I think he could help the Pacers this year. Bigger than Mason and has a real good feel for what he's doing out there.

Yeah, Olynck's looked great. Better rebounder and defender than I thought.

Also, I feel bad for Donald Sloan -- this guy will probably never make it but he's a good player -- a PG with nice skill and size. Very graceful and sure-handed, effective running a team and he's got some potent offensive skills...A team could do a hell of a lot worse than Sloan as a backup PG. I mean I wouldn't mind the Knicks scooping this kid up.

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