I have been a knicks fan for over 55 years and celebrated the 2 championships. But lets take a closer look! New York is the Mecca of basketball. Now lets look at the big City's. Boston won multiple championships, the Lakers have won Multiple championship and Chicago and San antonio has won multiple champion ships. What have the knicks done? Nothing but bad moves and over the hill ex stars. Something is wrong with that. Why in the hell couldn't we have signed Copeland to a one year and a one year option at our discretion? or 3years. Copeland would have signed anything to get in the league. I truly believe Copeland would have came back if it wasn't for Woody. We could have been creative with some of the contracts to make it work. What gets me there is no mention of getting a draft pick 2nd round for him. We are in big ass trouble this coming season. Woody's love for JR Smith and not playing rookies will get his ass fired. We need a young coach with fresh ideas. After going over What Woody did in the playoffs and we thought Camby was hurt but no he wasn't Woody just wouldn't play him. He rather see Chandler getting his ass kicked be Hibbert all 6 games. Woody is supposed to be a defensive coach and he believe the offense will just kick in. Well that just don't work if you don't have the shooters making shots. I am embarrassed to listen to sports news and here every one talk about all the gains that other teams are making and we just get bargarnie. If things don't change we will become a team hardly making the playoffs and Melo just might bounce. The Melo hater will love that but I will say this to the Melo haters. When we get all that cap space back all the GMs from around the league will love it so they can stick all of their bad deal up our ass. We don't have any draft picks so we will just buy up bad deal until we are over the cap again and the cycle begins again. All of you haters of Melo do you really think we are capable of doing the right thing If so I have a 3 feet midget that you just might like taking Melo's place. He is a real nice guy who can pass the ball and is unselfish. Your type of guy.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I have been a knicks fan for over 55 years and celebrated the 2 championships. But lets take a closer look! New York is the Mecca of basketball. Now lets look at the big City's. Boston won multiple championships, the Lakers have won Multiple championship and Chicago and San antonio has won multiple champion ships. What have the knicks done? Nothing but bad moves and over the hill ex stars. Something is wrong with that. Why in the hell couldn't we have signed Copeland to a one year and a one year option at our discretion? of 3years. Copeland would have signed anything to get in the league. I truly believe Copeland would have came back if it wasn't for Woody. We could have been creative with some of the contracts to make it work. What gets me there is no mention of getting a draft pick 2nd round for him. We are in big ass trouble this coming season. Woody's love for JR Smith and not playing rookies will get his ass fired. We need a young coach with fresh ideas. After going over What Woody did in the playoffs and we thought Camby was hurt but no he wasn't Woody just wouldn't play him. He rather see Chandler getting his ass kicked be Hibbert all 6 games. Woody is supposed to be a defensive coach and he believe the offense will just kick in. Well that just don't work if you don't have the shooters making shots. I am embarrassed to listen to sports news and here every one talk about all the gains that other teams are making and we just get bargarnie. If things don't change we will become a team hardly making the playoffs and Melo just might bounce. The Melo hater will love that but I will say this to the Melo haters. When we get all that cap space back all the GMs from around the league will love it so they can stick all of their bad deal up our ass. We don't have any draft picks so we will just buy up bad deal until we are over the cap again and the cycle begins again. All of you haters of Melo do you really think we are capable of doing the right thing If so I have a 3 feet midget that you just might like taking Melo's place. He is a real nice guy who can pass the ball and is unselfish. Your type of guy.

We made a pirse poor contract decision with Copeland that has plagued a few NBA teams--just not the smart one's:) If you sign a younger player--put some options on it. If we had 1-2 team options Copeland would be a Knick for less than 1mm.

BRIGGS wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I have been a knicks fan for over 55 years and celebrated the 2 championships. But lets take a closer look! New York is the Mecca of basketball. Now lets look at the big City's. Boston won multiple championships, the Lakers have won Multiple championship and Chicago and San antonio has won multiple champion ships. What have the knicks done? Nothing but bad moves and over the hill ex stars. Something is wrong with that. Why in the hell couldn't we have signed Copeland to a one year and a one year option at our discretion? of 3years. Copeland would have signed anything to get in the league. I truly believe Copeland would have came back if it wasn't for Woody. We could have been creative with some of the contracts to make it work. What gets me there is no mention of getting a draft pick 2nd round for him. We are in big ass trouble this coming season. Woody's love for JR Smith and not playing rookies will get his ass fired. We need a young coach with fresh ideas. After going over What Woody did in the playoffs and we thought Camby was hurt but no he wasn't Woody just wouldn't play him. He rather see Chandler getting his ass kicked be Hibbert all 6 games. Woody is supposed to be a defensive coach and he believe the offense will just kick in. Well that just don't work if you don't have the shooters making shots. I am embarrassed to listen to sports news and here every one talk about all the gains that other teams are making and we just get bargarnie. If things don't change we will become a team hardly making the playoffs and Melo just might bounce. The Melo hater will love that but I will say this to the Melo haters. When we get all that cap space back all the GMs from around the league will love it so they can stick all of their bad deal up our ass. We don't have any draft picks so we will just buy up bad deal until we are over the cap again and the cycle begins again. All of you haters of Melo do you really think we are capable of doing the right thing If so I have a 3 feet midget that you just might like taking Melo's place. He is a real nice guy who can pass the ball and is unselfish. Your type of guy.

We made a pirse poor contract decision with Copeland that has plagued a few NBA teams--just not the smart one's:) If you sign a younger player--put some options on it. If we had 1-2 team options Copeland would be a Knick for less than 1mm.

Read my post. Thats just what I said.

TeamBall wrote:Knicks (Dolan) are more committed to making money rather than winning. In that regard, I'd say they're doing a pretty good job.

They are about exploiting what's left of the brand to the maximum possible limit by investing in cheap party tricks and gimmicks. Yes the jersey sales must be good.

gunsnewing wrote:This is why the plan should be to go all out in 2015 but the Knicks are already deviating from that plan which makes you wonder if it is even in their plans. We will know for sure when Amare is traded for a bad contract

this 2015 thingy is a fan perception, i honestly cant say the team itself has even publicly made 2015 free agency any form of priority.

loweyecue wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Knicks (Dolan) are more committed to making money rather than winning. In that regard, I'd say they're doing a pretty good job.

They are about exploiting what's left of the brand to the maximum possible limit by investing in cheap party tricks and gimmicks. Yes the jersey sales must be good.

gunsnewing wrote:This is why the plan should be to go all out in 2015 but the Knicks are already deviating from that plan which makes you wonder if it is even in their plans. We will know for sure when Amare is traded for a bad contract

Look at the mavs- clearing cap space doesn't guarantee success- as we found out back when we had to sign Amar'e, sometimes you miss out on all your targets and have to settle.

I'm not a fan of this "lets give up" before the season even begins. People wanted to give up last offseason, then again in the preseason when Amar'e went down. Turned out to be a fun season.

We did well last year, people are acting like we didn't win a single game. Lets see if we can build on it.

People act like this not winning a championship is a deliberate conspiracy orchestrated by Dolan to make money. Wining a championship is damn hard- there is no easy way, no foolproof strategy- one injury spells doom.

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is why the plan should be to go all out in 2015 but the Knicks are already deviating from that plan which makes you wonder if it is even in their plans. We will know for sure when Amare is traded for a bad contract

They can't deviate from what they never had. The Knicks never said it was their plan to create cap space for 2015, that was speculation by journalists and fans trying to rationalize the Bargnani signing. 2015 is two years away the Knicks don't think that far into the future. The Spurs are likely planning for 2020.

Bingo x 1000000000000000000000000000

You took the words right out of my mouth.. the knicks have no plans for 2015, that is just the fans way of rationalizing the Bargs trade.. plain and simple...

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:This is why the plan should be to go all out in 2015 but the Knicks are already deviating from that plan which makes you wonder if it is even in their plans. We will know for sure when Amare is traded for a bad contract

They can't deviate from what they never had. The Knicks never said it was their plan to create cap space for 2015, that was speculation by journalists and fans trying to rationalize the Bargnani signing. 2015 is two years away the Knicks don't think that far into the future. The Spurs are likely planning for 2020.

Bingo x 1000000000000000000000000000

You took the words right out of my mouth.. the knicks have no plans for 2015, that is just the fans way of rationalizing the Bargs trade.. plain and simple...

I been looking at 2015 since we signed Tyson, so I don't think the bargs trade had much to do with it. Novak, Felton and Shump were the only ones on the books for that year. Now it's Jr, Felton and Shump which i still don't like but it's better than paying novak.

Anyway, I agree with you Papa, we have to start working smarter and keeping our talent. No way Copeland contract should have not included options, just crazy to me.

I don't think the Knicks had a REALLY bad offseason, I actually like our draft pick and think with Tyson, Bargs my improve. Now if they are talking about keeping Melo at the 4...well i just don't have any words for this organization. Maybe they see something I don't. We still have moves to make, so I wouldn't categorize this as bad yet ... bad is Denver.