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CashMoney
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7/3/2013  12:16 PM
Ok, it's early in the off season but lets take a look at the team roster.

C Chandler
F Bargnani
F Melo
G Shumpert
G Felton

F Stoudemire
G Hardaway, JR.

However, looks like we have a few deals in the works so by the end of the week we may have a roster of

C Chandler
F Bargnani
F Melo
G Shumpert
G Felton

F Stoudemire
G Hardaway, JR.
G Prigioni
F Brand

In addition I'm pretty excited to see what CJ Leslie does in summer camp. I think this kid may be able to become a solid role player in the league.

IMHO, we need to bring back JR Smith but at the end of the day we can only offer what we can offer. He's worth more money on the open market but hopefully he'll choose to stay. If not it will be a loss that we won't be able to recover from.

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Vmart
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7/3/2013  12:25 PM
Knicks can recover from JR very easily. 42% shooter with a green light there are plenty in the NBA.
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7/3/2013  12:28 PM
JR is easily replaceable.

The D League is full of swingmen that can hit a 3 and create their own shot.
CashMoney
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7/3/2013  12:29 PM
Vmart wrote:Knicks can recover from JR very easily. 42% shooter with a green light there are plenty in the NBA.

Thinking about it I think you're right. I think Matt Barnes would be ideal.

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helloharv
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7/3/2013  12:34 PM
EASTERN CONF CHAMPS WITH THIS LINEUP

FELTON/PABLO

SHUMP/JR SMITH/HARDAWAY JR

MELO/COPE

BARGS/STAT/PSYCHO T

TYSON/BRAND
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7/3/2013  12:34 PM
Leo Durocher Said The Same Thing about Willie Mays

Add CJ Leslie, Jerome Jordan and the usual summer league breakout dude, and suddenly the skies are not so gray after all.

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7/3/2013  12:37 PM
"Not too bad"

I'd have to agree.

No JR? We might be ok after all.

Have to admit, I am looking forward to seeing how Bargnani can or cannot fit!

Intrigue is a good thing.
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7/3/2013  12:55 PM
Vmart wrote:Knicks can recover from JR very easily. 42% shooter with a green light there are plenty in the NBA.

ChuckBuck wrote:JR is easily replaceable.

The D League is full of swingmen that can hit a 3 and create their own shot.

I don't know guys, if all you think of JR is an easily replaceable chucker than why aren't there more perennial 6th men of the year found out in the D-League?

Guys that can carry a team offensively for a couple weeks a year and hit about 3 or 4 game winning shots? And rebound at a nice clip.

Please name all of those guys over the past 3-4 years.

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7/3/2013  1:01 PM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks can recover from JR very easily. 42% shooter with a green light there are plenty in the NBA.

ChuckBuck wrote:JR is easily replaceable.

The D League is full of swingmen that can hit a 3 and create their own shot.

I don't know guys, if all you think of JR is an easily replaceable chucker than why aren't there more perennial 6th men of the year found out in the D-League?

Guys that can carry a team offensively for a couple weeks a year and hit about 3 or 4 game winning shots? And rebound at a nice clip.

Please name all of those guys over the past 3-4 years.

We don't need someone to average 18 points, taking 16 shots a game, on only 42% shooting.

We can plug anyone ala Danny Green to just hit shots when presented.

If anything, we need more team balance in scoring, and JR impedes Shumpert's potential, who could be the real 2nd option to Melo if giving the opportunity.

I'd rather Shumpert be given first crack to be Melo's Robin.

If not, we always have 2015!

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7/3/2013  1:04 PM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks can recover from JR very easily. 42% shooter with a green light there are plenty in the NBA.

ChuckBuck wrote:JR is easily replaceable.

The D League is full of swingmen that can hit a 3 and create their own shot.

I don't know guys, if all you think of JR is an easily replaceable chucker than why aren't there more perennial 6th men of the year found out in the D-League?

Guys that can carry a team offensively for a couple weeks a year and hit about 3 or 4 game winning shots? And rebound at a nice clip.

Please name all of those guys over the past 3-4 years.

your all right in some way... JR had a great year, plain and simple. He won us games. He stretches of good play. Stretches of inconsistant play and stretches of play where he played like an all star. He also played so incredibly poor for the entire playoffs its impossible to ignore. I can live with one guy like that on the roster (Melo) but you cant win with two guys like that and we all saw it nice and up close. If Melo tanks we can win. If JR tanks we can win. When both are sucking its impossible.

I like the direction. No JR. Add Hardaway JR a long athletic heady guy who's shown his best on the biggest stage he's played on to date. Bring back Prigs. Bring in Bargs.

Get some guys with brains and BB IQ. JR did well here but Ive seen enough to go in a different direction

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7/3/2013  1:07 PM
Bargnani and hardaway more than replace JR. At this point I am more concerned with adding prig, brand, and another PG then JR, although I still want JR back.
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7/3/2013  1:07 PM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:Knicks can recover from JR very easily. 42% shooter with a green light there are plenty in the NBA.

ChuckBuck wrote:JR is easily replaceable.

The D League is full of swingmen that can hit a 3 and create their own shot.

I don't know guys, if all you think of JR is an easily replaceable chucker than why aren't there more perennial 6th men of the year found out in the D-League?

Guys that can carry a team offensively for a couple weeks a year and hit about 3 or 4 game winning shots? And rebound at a nice clip.

Please name all of those guys over the past 3-4 years.

hey martin.. now you know I am not a JR fan, but this is the problem I have with some of the opinions on this board.. So now JR is pretty much replaceable by a D-league player when people were singing his praises around here last year..

I just don't get it.. I am not a JR fan, but he did bring a level of athleticism and big shot making for the knicks.. he and kidd hit a lot of big shots last year, which helped us get to 54 wins. Honestly we overachieved and I don't see that again this year...

Now martin there are some good replacements for JR smith, Reddick was one, but he is a clipper now, Afflalo is not bad, kevin martin would have been ideal, but all of those guys are gone... Jr is a knucklehead and probably given too much freedom on this team, but from a talent perspective you are not replacing him with D-league talent...

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7/3/2013  1:10 PM
For me I think it's clear that you can't rely on JR to be a second scoring option, he needs to be the 3rd scoring option and off the bench, just too inconsistent otherwise. He was never supposed to be Robin to Melo and shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean he can't have a role on the team, and at a decent price - $5M that the Knicks can offer - that's where he fits IMHO.

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7/3/2013  1:15 PM
martin wrote:For me I think it's clear that you can't rely on JR to be a second scoring option, he needs to be the 3rd scoring option and off the bench, just too inconsistent otherwise. He was never supposed to be Robin to Melo and shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean he can't have a role on the team, and at a decent price - $5M that the Knicks can offer - that's where he fits IMHO.

but would JR take that role? Does he see himself that way? I would beg to differ. He plays like a guy who is willing to defer to Melo, but aside from him views himself as the next best player on the team. He's going to come in here looking to expand his role, not take a step back. Last year he was the 2nd scorer, played starters minutes, won 6th man and played most of crunch time.

If your JR why come back to the 3rd option or play less? Martin I agree with your assesment 100%, but Im willing to best JR doesnt and thats just going to work here.

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7/3/2013  1:18 PM
martin wrote:For me I think it's clear that you can't rely on JR to be a second scoring option, he needs to be the 3rd scoring option and off the bench, just too inconsistent otherwise. He was never supposed to be Robin to Melo and shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean he can't have a role on the team, and at a decent price - $5M that the Knicks can offer - that's where he fits IMHO.

Well said. I agree.
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martin
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7/3/2013  1:18 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:For me I think it's clear that you can't rely on JR to be a second scoring option, he needs to be the 3rd scoring option and off the bench, just too inconsistent otherwise. He was never supposed to be Robin to Melo and shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean he can't have a role on the team, and at a decent price - $5M that the Knicks can offer - that's where he fits IMHO.

but would JR take that role? Does he see himself that way? I would beg to differ. He plays like a guy who is willing to defer to Melo, but aside from him views himself as the next best player on the team. He's going to come in here looking to expand his role, not take a step back. Last year he was the 2nd scorer, played starters minutes, won 6th man and played most of crunch time.

If your JR why come back to the 3rd option or play less? Martin I agree with your assesment 100%, but Im willing to best JR doesnt and thats just going to work here.

Did the Knicks realistically have the option to making him the 3rd option last year? IMHO, no and that's why you saw him trying to step up. Knicks quite frankly needed him to score.

If you have a more reliable 2nd scorer JR can do the same thing and fit in.

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7/3/2013  1:26 PM
The world is ending soon, I was almost damn near going to +1 tkf. Someone please, I need an intervention!


The whole JR thing will go away quickly as the Bucks are ready to give him enough where his main concern will be improving his "brand". Imagine that. Watch the idiot go to the land of Spree and really grow up. Would be our gift to the Bucks. Just so long as they flame out continually in the first round.

Does anyone on this board actually think JR was really going to play for earlyupyourBird money while watching Bargs pulling in +20mil the next two years? I don't think so.
He's got hardware now. He's got the Samba dance move. He's got an insane Knick highlight reel that we just might as well admit to shedding a tear or two saying farewell.

He's going to get paid and start for your (so to speak) Milwaukee Bucks. Book it.
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7/3/2013  1:26 PM
Do you guys forget JR almost made the All Star game last year ---- I guess the D League is filled with those guys
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7/3/2013  1:30 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:For me I think it's clear that you can't rely on JR to be a second scoring option, he needs to be the 3rd scoring option and off the bench, just too inconsistent otherwise. He was never supposed to be Robin to Melo and shouldn't.

But that doesn't mean he can't have a role on the team, and at a decent price - $5M that the Knicks can offer - that's where he fits IMHO.

but would JR take that role? Does he see himself that way? I would beg to differ. He plays like a guy who is willing to defer to Melo, but aside from him views himself as the next best player on the team. He's going to come in here looking to expand his role, not take a step back. Last year he was the 2nd scorer, played starters minutes, won 6th man and played most of crunch time.

If your JR why come back to the 3rd option or play less? Martin I agree with your assesment 100%, but Im willing to best JR doesnt and thats just going to work here.

Did the Knicks realistically have the option to making him the 3rd option last year? IMHO, no and that's why you saw him trying to step up. Knicks quite frankly needed him to score.

If you have a more reliable 2nd scorer JR can do the same thing and fit in.

trying to step up? wouldnt you say being 6th man and 2nd scorer on a 54 win team IS stepping up? Not trying to mince words. My point is simply the role your suggesting is a demotion. Hard to see a guy like JR playing the good soldier and suddenly be all about team team team
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7/3/2013  1:40 PM
JR is overrated and a problem child but he's not that easily replaceable. He gets hot and hits difficult shots. How are you going to replace his production? You need guys to attack and break down the d. Is a d leaguer going to come in and take his man off the dribble and score? No. We'd be lucky to find a consistent spot up shooter let alone a guy who creates his own shot. When you are a poor pick n roll team and run an iso based offense with no player movement whatsoever, and you finish 3rd in offensive efficiency, maybe you had some talented players? idk, just a thought.
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