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colorfl1
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6/30/2013  10:16 PM
If we are REALLY looking to compete for a title these next 2 years we will need an elite PG.
Iman Shumpart has immense potential to be a defensive game changer for years to come, and be groomed into a 15 PPG scorer within 3 years. Would you send Shumpert in a deal for Rondo?
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6/30/2013  10:20 PM
I would include anybody on this roster in a trade for Rondo.
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6/30/2013  10:22 PM
Yes
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6/30/2013  10:25 PM
How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?
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6/30/2013  10:29 PM
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.
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6/30/2013  10:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2013  10:36 PM
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.
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6/30/2013  10:37 PM
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

Yes
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6/30/2013  10:41 PM
Love shump but a thousand times yes.
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6/30/2013  10:42 PM
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.
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6/30/2013  10:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2013  10:47 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.
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6/30/2013  10:49 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

So if your the Celtics, a trade of Shumpert, Hardaway, Felton and future 1st round pick could not yield Rondo?
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6/30/2013  10:49 PM
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.

That's fine. He is under contract, which effectively means that the Celtics can choose the team he goes to and not the team that he favors most. We're not going to get him with the package you're purposing.
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6/30/2013  10:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2013  10:59 PM
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

So if your the Celtics, a trade of Shumpert, Hardaway, Felton and future 1st round pick could not yield Rondo?

No! Why should it? The Hornets got Eric Gordon (high lottery pick), Al Farouq Aminu (high lottery pick), the 10th pick of the 2012 draft and Chris Kaman (former 20ppg 8rpg big man with an expiring contract). The Knicks don't have anything that remotely approaches the value that package had at the time of the trade. Shumpert projects to be a Tony Allen type player, Tim Hardaway projects to be something less and the future 1st you're proposing might not even exist considering how far in debt we are with them. The only way such a deal has any legs is if we manage to take back all or most of their bad contracts (Gerald Wallace, Courtney Lee, and Jeff Green), while gutting whatever value we have on the team for 1st round picks from other teams. The issue with the later necessity is that you'd be hard pressed to find lottery teams willing to take on win now players (Tyson Chandler and Iman) for their lottery picks, which makes the deal all the more improbable.
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6/30/2013  10:54 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.

That's fine. He is under contract, which effectively means that the Celtics can choose the team he goes to and not the team that he favors most. We're not going to get him with the package you're purposing.

Well if I am the Celitics in rebuilding mode.
If I can get a future building block like Shumpert, 2 1st round picks and Felton for Rondo... I'd pull the trigger.
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6/30/2013  10:54 PM
Celtics are building around Rondo, Green and other young players.
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6/30/2013  11:00 PM
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.

That's fine. He is under contract, which effectively means that the Celtics can choose the team he goes to and not the team that he favors most. We're not going to get him with the package you're purposing.

Well if I am the Celitics in rebuilding mode.
If I can get a future building block like Shumpert, 2 1st round picks and Felton for Rondo... I'd pull the trigger.


What's the point in building around a 21 year old Iman Shumpert who is little more than Toney Allen with a jump shot, when you can build around a 25 year old Rondo who has already proven capable of being the best player on a contender?
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6/30/2013  11:01 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.

That's fine. He is under contract, which effectively means that the Celtics can choose the team he goes to and not the team that he favors most. We're not going to get him with the package you're purposing.

Well if I am the Celitics in rebuilding mode.
If I can get a future building block like Shumpert, 2 1st round picks and Felton for Rondo... I'd pull the trigger.


What's the point in building around a 21 year old Iman Shumpert who is little more than Toney Allen with a jump shot, when you can build around a 25 year old Rondo who has already proven capable of being the best player on a contender?
shumpert is 23
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6/30/2013  11:03 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.

That's fine. He is under contract, which effectively means that the Celtics can choose the team he goes to and not the team that he favors most. We're not going to get him with the package you're purposing.

Well if I am the Celitics in rebuilding mode.
If I can get a future building block like Shumpert, 2 1st round picks and Felton for Rondo... I'd pull the trigger.


What's the point in building around a 21 year old Iman Shumpert who is little more than Toney Allen with a jump shot, when you can build around a 25 year old Rondo who has already proven capable of being the best player on a contender?
shumpert is 23

You can't let me live in my bubble?
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6/30/2013  11:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2013  11:07 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
colorfl1 wrote:How far would you go?
Would you send Shumpert, Hardaway Jr and a 1st round pick for Rondo?

That trade is a steal for the Knicks.

You don't think the Celtic would trade Rondo for Shumpart and basically two 1st round picks <Hardaway & future pick>(and filler to make the salaries equate)? They just gave away Pierce and KG for ostensively 3 1st rounder.


Are you stopping to take into consideration that Rondo is 25 years old and in the prime of an elite career while Pierce and Garnett have any one or two seasons left in their career? It will take heaven and earth for the Celtics to consider moving him; much more than what you are purposing. Look at what the Clippers had to give up to get Chris Paul and that would be the ballpark package we'd need.

You need to consider that Rondo does not want to be a Vet on rebuilding team after years of intense success under Doc Rivers.

That's fine. He is under contract, which effectively means that the Celtics can choose the team he goes to and not the team that he favors most. We're not going to get him with the package you're purposing.

Well if I am the Celitics in rebuilding mode.
If I can get a future building block like Shumpert, 2 1st round picks and Felton for Rondo... I'd pull the trigger.


What's the point in building around a 21 year old Iman Shumpert who is little more than Toney Allen with a jump shot, when you can build around a 25 year old Rondo who has already proven capable of being the best player on a contender?
shumpert is 23

The point is you get get 2 1st rounders and a vet pg who plays with toughness.
They can play for the lottery this year and piece together a contender within few short years by trading building/trading some of their youth and signing FAs (like the Rockets are doing).
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6/30/2013  11:07 PM
Vmart wrote:Celtics are building around Rondo, Green and other young players.

Yeah, but it will be hard for them to tank if Rondo is still on the squad lol I'm sure any package for Rondo will involve taking back Green or Bass.

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