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The Net are over the cap. How can they make all of these trades and we can't do dick? I don't understand it. help me.
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Papabear
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6/28/2013  6:08 PM
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How in the hell can the Nets and some of these other teams over the cap make great deals and we can't do dick. I think that the Celtics think that they found a way to bury us. Seems no one wants to do business with the Knicks. Only if they can stick it in our *** . I just don't understand it. Help me to understand this. And Please no Melo bashing because this has been going on long before he got here.

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6/28/2013  6:16 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

How in the hell can the Nets and some of these other teams over the cap make great deals and we can't do dick. I think that the Celtics think that they found a way to bury us. Seems no one wants to do business with the Knicks. Only if they can stick it in our *** . I just don't understand it. Help me to understand this. And Please no Melo bashing because this has been going on long before he got here.

I just posed a similar question in a different thread. I don't know how the Nets managed to do it but they are circumventing the CBA rules it seems like. After all, I thought sign and trades were not feasible for teams above the apron (which the Nets are) and if it increase the payroll (which the Nets will). The whole thing is so damn puzzling.
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There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?
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6/28/2013  6:31 PM
VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

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If we proposed the same thing to Boston they would have told us to go to hell.

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6/28/2013  6:39 PM
Papabear wrote:
VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

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If we proposed the same thing to Boston they would have told us to go to hell.

The Knicks don't have 3 first round picks and they don't have a 13 million dollar expiring contract like the Nets do. It has nothing to do with who the team is it is about how they can best rebuild and get cap space. The Nets also have an extremely wealthy owner. Berger posted that the nets payroll with fines for being over the cap will be 176 million,
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6/28/2013  7:39 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

How in the hell can the Nets and some of these other teams over the cap make great deals and we can't do dick. I think that the Celtics think that they found a way to bury us. Seems no one wants to do business with the Knicks. Only if they can stick it in our *** . I just don't understand it. Help me to understand this. And Please no Melo bashing because this has been going on long before he got here.

A. It's a conspiracy
B. It's MElo's fault

take your pick.

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6/28/2013  7:53 PM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

How in the hell can the Nets and some of these other teams over the cap make great deals and we can't do dick. I think that the Celtics think that they found a way to bury us. Seems no one wants to do business with the Knicks. Only if they can stick it in our *** . I just don't understand it. Help me to understand this. And Please no Melo bashing because this has been going on long before he got here.


Do you really want pp, kg, and terry at this point of there career? we just had a team full of vets that couldn't stay healthy..

That squad doesn't complement each other in anyway, in fact, JJ and D will hardly had any chemistry. The celtics and nets both started the season below .500 20 games in, and the nets lost in the 1st round with home court playing a team missing a bunch of key players..


There was nothing impressive about that trade..

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VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

But the Nets ARE signing and trading a player and they ARE getting players back because of that player, in part. I'm failing to see the difference between what is happening and the rule intended to stop it from happening.
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CrushAlot wrote:
Papabear wrote:
VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

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If we proposed the same thing to Boston they would have told us to go to hell.

The Knicks don't have 3 first round picks and they don't have a 13 million dollar expiring contract like the Nets do. It has nothing to do with who the team is it is about how they can best rebuild and get cap space. The Nets also have an extremely wealthy owner. Berger posted that the nets payroll with fines for being over the cap will be 176 million,

that is pocket cash for Dolan of course,but imagine what that is for proky who has more money than dolan...

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NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

But the Nets ARE signing and trading a player and they ARE getting players back because of that player, in part. I'm failing to see the difference between what is happening and the rule intended to stop it from happening.

Teams over the apron cant receive players that are signed and traded they can sign and trade them away

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6/28/2013  9:07 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

But the Nets ARE signing and trading a player and they ARE getting players back because of that player, in part. I'm failing to see the difference between what is happening and the rule intended to stop it from happening.

Teams over the apron cant receive players that are signed and traded they can sign and trade them away

Cool. This rule is stupid though. Not sure how this lends itself to parity in the league.
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6/28/2013  9:22 PM
tkf wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Papabear wrote:
VCoug wrote:There's no loopholes here. These trades are for players currently under contract. The only rules they have to follow are the ones about how much salary each team is allowed to take back. Is there something specific you guys were wondering about?

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If we proposed the same thing to Boston they would have told us to go to hell.

The Knicks don't have 3 first round picks and they don't have a 13 million dollar expiring contract like the Nets do. It has nothing to do with who the team is it is about how they can best rebuild and get cap space. The Nets also have an extremely wealthy owner. Berger posted that the nets payroll with fines for being over the cap will be 176 million,

that is pocket cash for Dolan of course,but imagine what that is for proky who has more money than dolan...

Whether it is pocket cash doesn't matter. It is a ton of money and the Knicks don't have the picks to trade to a team trying to rebuild. They also don't have expiring contracts to create cap space.
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6/28/2013  9:41 PM
thats why i feel like next off season we could start our build up, it will be a very good draft and will have expiring contract to dangle
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6/29/2013  1:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/29/2013  8:15 AM
CBA rules say that a team over the cap can not take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away.

Boston's contracts next season for KG, PP, and JT = about 32 million and change.

Brooklyn's contracts next season for Humphries, Wallace, Brooks, Joseph, and sign and trade for Bogans (assume around 1 mill) is around 25.2 mill. 25% of that is about 6.3 million. Add that number to the total and you reach 31.5 mill. Pretty damn close.
All they need to do is sign Bogans for 1.5 mill to add the remaining 500K and then trade him. Easy.

Honestly, I don't think the Nets got better. I think the Celts ****ed the Nets in the long run. Well played Ainge. Well played.

Anyone know how draft picks work financially during trades?
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JohnStarksFan wrote:I feel the need to get into the finances here to prove there is no conspiracy.

CBA rules say that a team over the cap can not take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away.

Boston's contracts next season for KG, PP, and JT = about 32 million and change.

Brooklyn's contracts next season for Humphries, Wallace, Brooks, Joseph, and sign and trade for Bogans (assume around 1 mill) is around 25.2 mill. 25% of that is about 6.3 million. Add that number to the total and you reach 31.5 mill. Pretty damn close. I don't know if the draft picks are considered financially, but assuming they are, and using the value of the first year for the 22nd pick (not sure if this is how it is done) this is about 1 mill. So let's add that for the fun of it to the total x 3. 28.2 mill, 25% of which is 7 mill, added back is 35.2 million. Trade works, either way you slice is. And if it didn't work the first way, all they need to do is sign Bogans for 1.5 mill to add the remaining 500K and then trade him. Easy.

Honestly, I don't think the Nets got better. I think the Celts ****ed the Nets in the long run. Well played Ainge. Well played.

Anyone know how draft picks work financially during trades?

Draft picks, draft rights, and cash aren't included in salary. Only players that are currently under contract count towards traded salaries.

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6/29/2013  8:15 AM
VCoug wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CBA rules say that a team over the cap can not take back more than 125% of the salary they trade away.

Boston's contracts next season for KG, PP, and JT = about 32 million and change.

Brooklyn's contracts next season for Humphries, Wallace, Brooks, Joseph, and sign and trade for Bogans (assume around 1 mill) is around 25.2 mill. 25% of that is about 6.3 million. Add that number to the total and you reach 31.5 mill. Pretty damn close.
All they need to do is sign Bogans for 1.5 mill to add the remaining 500K and then trade him. Easy.

Honestly, I don't think the Nets got better. I think the Celts ****ed the Nets in the long run. Well played Ainge. Well played.

Anyone know how draft picks work financially during trades?

Draft picks, draft rights, and cash aren't included in salary. Only players that are currently under contract count towards traded salaries.

Ahh, thanks Coug. Good to know. See revisions.
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6/29/2013  8:31 AM
Net fans: "We all in now to make a run"

Knick fans Last year: "We all in now to make a run"

Net fans 3 years ago: "Knicks gave up too many picks to get Melo"

Knick fans now: "Nets gave up too many picks".

Nalod sees Nets doing a very Knick like type of deal going all in to surround its not so old core.

1. BroPez is an all star talent and one of the best offensive centers if not the best in the league.
2. Deron if healthy, and there was moments last season where he showed why he was considered a top 3 point guard, all star and olympian.
3. Joe Johnsons contract sucks but he still has game and is a clutch shooter.

Nets problems last year was having a thin bench. Very thin.

As far as starphuch deals go this is a big one. Nets succeed to win a chip its worth it. If they can still compete and develop players without 3 picks it still might work.

For all we know Prokhorov might want to sell the team in a few years.

I don't like the Starphuch and don't like giving away picks with seemingly reckless abandon but as a knick fan I'd feel somewhat silly being vocal about given our history of doing such things.

Nets are willing to pay a tax bill of EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS! Damn!

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6/29/2013  12:38 PM
Nets just got older, not better.

It's Bizarro world and the Nets just pulled a Knicks circa summer/fall of 2012.

Guess they didn't learn from our mistakes!

Dumbasses.
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6/29/2013  1:10 PM
If they can keep Blatche to they have a nice 4 man group up front. Lopez , Garnett, Blatche and Plumlee getting 10 -15 minutes. The Nets should try to keep Garnett to 25-30 max a night their regular season record may suffer some but its necessary
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6/30/2013  1:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2013  1:24 AM
See below for financials. I knew Bogans would make more than he's worth, but damn!

http://www.hoopsworld.com/bogans-getting-paid-well-in-celtics-nets-deal
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