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6/23/2013  9:47 AM
1. Cleveland: Nerlens Noel
2. Orlando: Ben McLemore
3. Washington: Otto Porter
4. Charlotte: Alex Len
5. Phoenix: Victor Oladipo
6. New Orleans: Anthony Bennett
7. Sacramento: Trey Burke
8. Detroit: C.J. McCollum
9. Minnesota: Cody Zeller
10. Portland: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
11. Philadelphia: Steven Adams
12. Oklahoma City: Michael Carter-Williams
13. Dallas: Shabazz Muhammad
14. Utah: Kelly Olynyk
15. Milwaukee: Mason Plumlee
16. Boston: Shane Larkin
17. Atlanta: Sergey Karasev
18. Atlanta: Dennis Schroeder
19. Cleveland: Jamaal Franklin
20. Chicago: Tony Mitchell
21. Utah: Giannis Adetokunbo
22. Brooklyn: Tim Hardaway Jr
23. Indiana: Gorgui Dieng
24. New York: Reggie Bullock
25. LA Clippers: Lucas Nogueira
26. Minnesota: Rudy Gobert
27. Denver: Allen Crabbe
28. San Antonio: Ricky Ledo
29. Oklahoma City: Erick Green
30. Phoenix: Tony Snell

Break down report with Highlights for Reggie Bullock:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1666785-2013-nba-draft-breakdown-and-scouting-report-for-reggie-bullock

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6/23/2013  10:23 AM
Wow. What jumps out at a quick glance is Gobert drops to 26. I am not sure why. A guy like Adams is being drafted top 15 in most mocks based totally on potential. Have Gobert's workouts been really bad?
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6/23/2013  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/23/2013  10:37 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. What jumps out at a quick glance is Gobert drops to 26. I am not sure why. A guy like Adams is being drafted top 15 in most mocks based totally on potential. Have Gobert's workouts been really bad?

It's hard to ignore his 7'2'' size and 7'8.5'' wingspan if you're looking for some added rim protection. His physical tools alone could be useful, whether he develops as a ballplayer or not.

Some team might take a chance at him a little earlier at 21 like the Pacers(Rick Smits), but him developing at the NBA is the question mark.

He tested out fairly poorly at the NBA Combine in a number of different categories, even if it's difficult to gauge exactly how he compares to his American peers in these tests as it was likely his first time encountering them. He does not appear to be anywhere near as athletic as the likes of physical specimens such as DeAndre Jordan or Javale McGee.

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6/23/2013  10:40 AM
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. What jumps out at a quick glance is Gobert drops to 26. I am not sure why. A guy like Adams is being drafted top 15 in most mocks based totally on potential. Have Gobert's workouts been really bad?

It's hard to ignore his 7'2'' size and 7'8.5'' wingspan if you're looking for some added rim protection. His physical tools alone could be useful, whether he develops as a ballplayer or not.

Some team might take a chance at him a little earlier at 21 like the Pacers(Rick Smits), but him developing at the NBA is the question mark.

He tested out fairly poorly at the NBA Combine in a number of different categories, even if it's difficult to gauge exactly how he compares to his American peers in these tests as it was likely his first time encountering them. He does not appear to be anywhere near as athletic as the likes of physical specimens such as DeAndre Jordan or Javale McGee.

I was just looking at his athleticism test scores on draftnet. He did better tben Olnyk in almost all categories and a lot of his numbers are similar to Iverson's. I read an article about his workout with Portland. He was matched up with Steven Adams. They said both guys played really well but didn't give any insight. Apparently Portland has been scouting Gobert for a couple of years though. I think if he is there at 24 the Knicks should take him.
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6/23/2013  10:48 AM
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playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. What jumps out at a quick glance is Gobert drops to 26. I am not sure why. A guy like Adams is being drafted top 15 in most mocks based totally on potential. Have Gobert's workouts been really bad?

It's hard to ignore his 7'2'' size and 7'8.5'' wingspan if you're looking for some added rim protection. His physical tools alone could be useful, whether he develops as a ballplayer or not.

Some team might take a chance at him a little earlier at 21 like the Pacers(Rick Smits), but him developing at the NBA is the question mark.

He tested out fairly poorly at the NBA Combine in a number of different categories, even if it's difficult to gauge exactly how he compares to his American peers in these tests as it was likely his first time encountering them. He does not appear to be anywhere near as athletic as the likes of physical specimens such as DeAndre Jordan or Javale McGee.

I was just looking at his athleticism test scores on draftnet. He did better tben Olnyk in almost all categories and a lot of his numbers are similar to Iverson's. I read an article about his workout with Portland. He was matched up with Steven Adams. They said both guys played really well but didn't give any insight. Apparently Portland has been scouting Gobert for a couple of years though. I think if he is there at 24 the Knicks should take him.

On the downside, Gobert is a fairly limited player if unable to simply catch and finish around the basket. He doesn't show a very high skill-level with his back to the basket, not having the lower body strength needed to establish great position inside or a terribly diverse arsenal of footwork or post moves he can go to when his initial move is cut off. His lack of strength, balance and toughness makes it difficult for him to finish through contact in traffic, and he needs to continue to improve his left hand.

Outside of the paint, Gobert hasn't shown any real semblance of a jump-shot at this stage, and didn't look to be on the verge of developing one from what we saw in the drills of the NBA Combine in Chicago. He's generally not a great passer or decision maker with the ball in his hands either, but some of his struggles offensively may have been exacerbated by how disorganized his team looked in many stretches this season, as his coach did not always seem to put him in a position to fully play up to his very unique strengths.

Where Gobert really shines is on the defensive end, showing the potential to be an absolute game-changer with his terrific combination of size, length and instincts. He changes everything inside the paint and is near impossible to shoot over both in man to man defender and rotating over the weakside, ranking #1 in Pro A France both this season and last in blocks per-40, as well as per game.

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6/23/2013  10:57 AM
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
playa2 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Wow. What jumps out at a quick glance is Gobert drops to 26. I am not sure why. A guy like Adams is being drafted top 15 in most mocks based totally on potential. Have Gobert's workouts been really bad?

It's hard to ignore his 7'2'' size and 7'8.5'' wingspan if you're looking for some added rim protection. His physical tools alone could be useful, whether he develops as a ballplayer or not.

Some team might take a chance at him a little earlier at 21 like the Pacers(Rick Smits), but him developing at the NBA is the question mark.

He tested out fairly poorly at the NBA Combine in a number of different categories, even if it's difficult to gauge exactly how he compares to his American peers in these tests as it was likely his first time encountering them. He does not appear to be anywhere near as athletic as the likes of physical specimens such as DeAndre Jordan or Javale McGee.

I was just looking at his athleticism test scores on draftnet. He did better tben Olnyk in almost all categories and a lot of his numbers are similar to Iverson's. I read an article about his workout with Portland. He was matched up with Steven Adams. They said both guys played really well but didn't give any insight. Apparently Portland has been scouting Gobert for a couple of years though. I think if he is there at 24 the Knicks should take him.

On the downside, Gobert is a fairly limited player if unable to simply catch and finish around the basket. He doesn't show a very high skill-level with his back to the basket, not having the lower body strength needed to establish great position inside or a terribly diverse arsenal of footwork or post moves he can go to when his initial move is cut off. His lack of strength, balance and toughness makes it difficult for him to finish through contact in traffic, and he needs to continue to improve his left hand.

Outside of the paint, Gobert hasn't shown any real semblance of a jump-shot at this stage, and didn't look to be on the verge of developing one from what we saw in the drills of the NBA Combine in Chicago. He's generally not a great passer or decision maker with the ball in his hands either, but some of his struggles offensively may have been exacerbated by how disorganized his team looked in many stretches this season, as his coach did not always seem to put him in a position to fully play up to his very unique strengths.

Where Gobert really shines is on the defensive end, showing the potential to be an absolute game-changer with his terrific combination of size, length and instincts. He changes everything inside the paint and is near impossible to shoot over both in man to man defender and rotating over the weakside, ranking #1 in Pro A France both this season and last in blocks per-40, as well as per game.

I was just watching his draftexpress tape. He only spins to his right when he gets the ball and makes a move in the post. This happens even if it forces him to the base line and behind the backboard or out of bounds. The kid is huge though and his role appears to be similar to Tyson's on his current team. When he went out to defend the pick and roll point guards couldn't see over/around him. I think there is too much good there to bypass if he is available at 24.

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6/23/2013  1:18 PM
Knicks need guard help with the departure of Kidd and the uncertainty of Prigioni coming back.

Our only guards under contract are Felton and Shumpert. I'm guessing the Knicks may be leaning toward a guard.

I'm guessing the Knicks might want a guard who can handle the ball as well.

Jamaal Franklin is a good ball handler along with Ricky Ledo.

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6/23/2013  5:56 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need guard help with the departure of Kidd and the uncertainty of Prigioni coming back.

Our only guards under contract are Felton and Shumpert. I'm guessing the Knicks may be leaning toward a guard.

I'm guessing the Knicks might want a guard who can handle the ball as well.

Jamaal Franklin is a good ball handler along with Ricky Ledo.

We need help all over the roster not just the backcourt. Plus, we have no idea what this team will look like after the Summer of 2015. We need to take whoever we think will be the best NBA player, period.

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VCoug wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks need guard help with the departure of Kidd and the uncertainty of Prigioni coming back.

Our only guards under contract are Felton and Shumpert. I'm guessing the Knicks may be leaning toward a guard.

I'm guessing the Knicks might want a guard who can handle the ball as well.

Jamaal Franklin is a good ball handler along with Ricky Ledo.

We need help all over the roster not just the backcourt. Plus, we have no idea what this team will look like after the Summer of 2015. We need to take whoever we think will be the best NBA player, period.

Posted this is the Draft Chatter thread

http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/ricky-ledo-exclusive-interview/

According to Ricky Ledo, from his own mouth, he had his best workout with the NY Knicks.

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6/23/2013  8:27 PM
Ledo will be 1st overall. The knicks will not draft Bullock over Ledo. We are getting the best SG available.
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6/23/2013  9:24 PM
Ledo missed all of last season because of academic issues after bouncing around several high schools. There are legitimate concerns about Ledo's maturity, and several executives have told me that they fear how outside influences will affect his career.

NYC AND Ledo =

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playa2 wrote:Ledo missed all of last season because of academic issues after bouncing around several high schools. There are legitimate concerns about Ledo's maturity, and several executives have told me that they fear how outside influences will affect his career.

NYC AND Ledo =

Derrick Rose didnt even take his SATs.

If the Knicks plan on keeping Chandler they are going to have to put shooters around him.

Plus we have Woodson who will have Ledo, Mitchell, or whoever else collecting splinters if they dont give 100% effort on both ends of the floor. Im not worried.

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6/24/2013  5:38 AM
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playa2 wrote:Ledo missed all of last season because of academic issues after bouncing around several high schools. There are legitimate concerns about Ledo's maturity, and several executives have told me that they fear how outside influences will affect his career.

NYC AND Ledo =

Derrick Rose didnt even take his SATs.

If the Knicks plan on keeping Chandler they are going to have to put shooters around him.

Plus we have Woodson who will have Ledo, Mitchell, or whoever else collecting splinters if they dont give 100% effort on both ends of the floor. Im not worried.

Not doing school work and hanging out at the club with leeches are two different stories.

But yes the questions should be asked of Woodson, How could a good rookie crack the rotation for the knicks under his leadership. This isn't the Red Holzman era.

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6/24/2013  8:55 AM
really hoping Giannes Adektembko drops to us but I think Atlanta and Celtics would draft him if they fall to them as he has top 10 potential in him
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6/24/2013  9:11 AM
I think winning a championship for the Knicks out of the question for a lot more years. So I would take Gobert and develop him. The Knicks will make fruitless trips to playoffs so there will actually be no drop off from what is expected.

Knicks fans need to start thinking more about 4-5 years from now not next year. Knicks aren't winning any championships anytime soon. I like Gobert for the Knicks. I think he can be the center that the Knicks need for a long time. Very similar to Hibbert in many ways.

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RonRon wrote:really hoping Giannes Adektembko drops to us but I think Atlanta and Celtics would draft him if they fall to them as he has top 10 potential in him

Hes on a secondary list for the Green room--so its likely he has a promise.

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6/24/2013  10:05 AM
Vmart wrote:I think winning a championship for the Knicks out of the question for a lot more years. So I would take Gobert and develop him. The Knicks will make fruitless trips to playoffs so there will actually be no drop off from what is expected.

Knicks fans need to start thinking more about 4-5 years from now not next year. Knicks aren't winning any championships anytime soon. I like Gobert for the Knicks. I think he can be the center that the Knicks need for a long time. Very similar to Hibbert in many ways.

Knicks dont have a pick next year and we only have 2 guards under contract. I doubt we even look at Gobert since bigs take a long time to develop and they have a super high bust potential.

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6/24/2013  11:22 AM
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Vmart wrote:I think winning a championship for the Knicks out of the question for a lot more years. So I would take Gobert and develop him. The Knicks will make fruitless trips to playoffs so there will actually be no drop off from what is expected.

Knicks fans need to start thinking more about 4-5 years from now not next year. Knicks aren't winning any championships anytime soon. I like Gobert for the Knicks. I think he can be the center that the Knicks need for a long time. Very similar to Hibbert in many ways.

Knicks dont have a pick next year and we only have 2 guards under contract. I doubt we even look at Gobert since bigs take a long time to develop and they have a super high bust potential.

One thing the Knicks do have is time. Gobert makes more and more sense the Knicks need to think smart and future. Worst thing they can do is think Championship in this time that door is closed for next 4-5 years. They should be thinking about trading Chandler and acquiring picks for him. Once Amare is ready to come off the books they can think about adding pieces to go with Melo if he decides to stay with the Knicks. In the mean time the Knicks need to add picks that are going to make an impact. Trading Chandler for picks is a start to acquire picks.

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6/24/2013  11:25 AM
Vmart wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Vmart wrote:I think winning a championship for the Knicks out of the question for a lot more years. So I would take Gobert and develop him. The Knicks will make fruitless trips to playoffs so there will actually be no drop off from what is expected.

Knicks fans need to start thinking more about 4-5 years from now not next year. Knicks aren't winning any championships anytime soon. I like Gobert for the Knicks. I think he can be the center that the Knicks need for a long time. Very similar to Hibbert in many ways.

Knicks dont have a pick next year and we only have 2 guards under contract. I doubt we even look at Gobert since bigs take a long time to develop and they have a super high bust potential.

One thing the Knicks do have is time. Gobert makes more and more sense the Knicks need to think smart and future. Worst thing they can do is think Championship in this time that door is closed for next 4-5 years. They should be thinking about trading Chandler and acquiring picks for him. Once Amare is ready to come off the books they can think about adding pieces to go with Melo if he decides to stay with the Knicks. In the mean time the Knicks need to add picks that are going to make an impact. Trading Chandler for picks is a start to acquire picks.

I am not sure what the right pick is for the Knicks at 24 but it is looking like Gobert will be there when the Knicks pick. Draftnet has him falling to 29 in their updated mock. The Espn Insiders have him going at 15 but I think that is the only mock I have seen where he hasn't fallen into the 20's.
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6/24/2013  12:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2013  2:31 PM
I tell ya what guys, I'm really starting to fall in love with this Isaiah Canaan. See, I never minded a PG that can score. Some people seem to view that as some detriment (maybe even Knicks mgmt) -- I look at it as a huge positive...To me, the more guys you can put on the floor that can put the ball in the hole the better, esp. at the point where your point guard can see right away whether a particular play he's trying to run isn't there/broke down and then has to quickly switch gears, take matters into his own hands and just go ahead and attack instead...When a player like Melo or JR does that, it looks like they're forcing shots; when a PG does that, it looks more natural/less forced and has a greater chance of success. Anytime you have a PG on the floor that can get right into the teeth of that defense to make plays for himself or others, esp. on broken plays up against the shot-clock, that's a gigantic positive imo. Felton can do that when he decides to bring it but Kidd and Pablo can't and it hurt us this year...Everything about an above average NBA PG revolves around quickness -- quick decisions, quick execution...This kid fits the bill imo. Very strong, he can handle it, he's a craft penetrator that is fully capable of splitting defenses out high and getting all the way to the goal and he can absolutely shoot the lights out from deep. And I think even despite the scoring prowess, he has more than enough court awareness/court vision to keep the ball moving and get the ball to the right players at the right spots on the floor and at the right times. The only thing missing is a lightning-quick first step off the drive -- he's got an adequate/good first step, it's just not elite. But that's OK -- it's good enough and everything else looks first rate. I mean have you seen the clips of this kid pulling up from 35 feet + and knockin' 'em down? Wow...The range on this kid (and to shoot that high a % in doing so) is incredible. His entire career at Murray St. he's been a knockdown shooter (42% on 725 attempts over 4 years). We could use everything he brings to the table. Might not be on youtube yet but DX just came out with one of their lengthy scouting videos for Canaan. Check it out: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Isaiah-Canaan-Scouting-Report-Video-4282.

We've gotta find a way to come outta this draft Thurs night with a big man and a guard. If that guard was Isaiah Canaan, I wouldn't been too upset, I can tell you that. I'm even starting to believe Canaan would be a good solid pick at 24. Unlike some of these other PGs, I think every bit of Canaan's game translates over to the NBA with little or no adjustment period...

Erick Green was my top PG (even though I understand going in that there would be a bit of a learning curve transitioning to NBA PG -- but it's the innate scoring ability, the best in college basketball in fact this year, that I find very attractive -- among many needs, one particular need for us is to come up with more guys that can score the basketball) but I'm slowly beginning to think Canaan is our guy. Sounds like they may really like this Nate Wolters though -- I just don't know about him at 24. Someone else mentioned Ben Hansbrough -- I think that's a pretty darn good comparison. They're not identical but there are similarities. And the thing with Hansbrough -- he may be in a little over his head at the NBA level. And Ben went undrafted -- so by comparison, is Wolters a reach at 24? He might be, man. Hansbrough actually looks like the more fluid player between the two. I've also heard Steve Nash comparisons with Wolters and I just don't see that. Wolters has a slight awkwardness about him that Nash and even Ben Hansbrough don't have. Does this slight quirkiness (along with the slowish foot speed) hinder him at the next level? I dunno -- it might....To me, if we can get a skilled big like a Mike Muscala at 24 then trade for a low 1/high 2 somehow and grab Cannan, that's an infinitely better draft than picking Wolters at 24 and nothing else. I like Wolters -- just a little leery about taking him 24.

And Patty Mills continues to be my backup PG option in FA if we can't come up with a PG in this draft. If we have this mini-mid level available to us ($3.8M I believe, right?), I'd be willing to use a good $2M out of that total, maybe a little more, to lure Mills to NY. I think that's money well spend. I'd rather see us use that money on a player like Mills (again, provided we can't come up with a PG in this draft) over a player like Blatche, a big man that played over his head a little bit in Brooklyn this year and is gonna look for double or triple his 2012-13 salary of $854,389, probably more. Is Blatche really worth that money? I'd argue in favor of adding a good 5 bargain-bin big men over spending bigger money on Blatche, guys I believe are better than Blatche anyway.

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