Every team that is not hoisting a trophy has regrets.

Glen is not on the hot seat because we don't see him or hear him speak. We don't know what he is thinking, whose direction the team is being taken in.

My guess is Isiah is involved in the back ground. Woodson, Grunny and Isiah all good buddies. Dolan loves Isiah.

Just a guess. Don't matter what we think and DOlan don't care what fans want. He knows its about "now".

Grun don't play the game. If he gets canned, its either a patsy or a starphuch GM. Those can be fun. Isiah was fun for a while with his manic changes and lawsuits. The sub 30 game win years sucked though!

VCoug wrote:I thought last year was the pivotal year and he blew. We were still able to sign-and-trade for players, we still had some tradeable assets, and there was good, young, cheap talent available in free agency. Next season, I'm guessing that the only player that's still contributing for us is Felton and maybe Copeland. That's a huge swing and miss when we couldn't afford one.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:I thought last year was the pivotal year and he blew. We were still able to sign-and-trade for players, we still had some tradeable assets, and there was good, young, cheap talent available in free agency. Next season, I'm guessing that the only player that's still contributing for us is Felton and maybe Copeland. That's a huge swing and miss when we couldn't afford one.

He blew? The team was changed dramatically and it won. Brewer, Kidd and Felton were all new to the starting lineup and the team. Prigs, Cope, Sheed, KT, and Camby were all added to the bench and later KMart was added. Amare was lost in training camp. The team was essentially totally revamped except for Tyson and Melo. To do that and win 54 games and make it to the playoffs was a major accomplishment. The Knicks didn't add a big three like the Heat.

Brewer made almost no positive contributions and is gone; Kidd was good for about a month and a half and is now gone; Sheed made almost no contribution and is now gone; Thomas made almost no contribution and is now gone; Camby made no contributions last season; both Copeland and Prigioni are unlikely to be back next season. Our best players from this past season were the guys that were already here. The big difference between this season and the last was that our best player didn't quit on the coach and JR had a much better year.

loweyecue wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:I thought last year was the pivotal year and he blew. We were still able to sign-and-trade for players, we still had some tradeable assets, and there was good, young, cheap talent available in free agency. Next season, I'm guessing that the only player that's still contributing for us is Felton and maybe Copeland. That's a huge swing and miss when we couldn't afford one.

He blew? The team was changed dramatically and it won. Brewer, Kidd and Felton were all new to the starting lineup and the team. Prigs, Cope, Sheed, KT, and Camby were all added to the bench and later KMart was added. Amare was lost in training camp. The team was essentially totally revamped except for Tyson and Melo. To do that and win 54 games and make it to the playoffs was a major accomplishment. The Knicks didn't add a big three like the Heat.

Brewer made almost no positive contributions and is gone; Kidd was good for about a month and a half and is now gone; Sheed made almost no contribution and is now gone; Thomas made almost no contribution and is now gone; Camby made no contributions last season; both Copeland and Prigioni are unlikely to be back next season. Our best players from this past season were the guys that were already here. The big difference between this season and the last was that our best player didn't quit on the coach and JR had a much better year.

Grunwald doesn't get a pass. You are right on all counts except I think Kidd had a little more to do with our wining than you gave him credit for. The issue I had was the acquisition of one after another player that were fit for the geriatric ward. If he had gotten any two of Kidd/Camby/Rasheed/Kmart (preferably Kidd and Kmart) and then spent the remaining money on cheap young players I would have been happy. I love KT but it was complete waste to sign him as well.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:I thought last year was the pivotal year and he blew. We were still able to sign-and-trade for players, we still had some tradeable assets, and there was good, young, cheap talent available in free agency. Next season, I'm guessing that the only player that's still contributing for us is Felton and maybe Copeland. That's a huge swing and miss when we couldn't afford one.

He blew? The team was changed dramatically and it won. Brewer, Kidd and Felton were all new to the starting lineup and the team. Prigs, Cope, Sheed, KT, and Camby were all added to the bench and later KMart was added. Amare was lost in training camp. The team was essentially totally revamped except for Tyson and Melo. To do that and win 54 games and make it to the playoffs was a major accomplishment. The Knicks didn't add a big three like the Heat.

Brewer made almost no positive contributions and is gone; Kidd was good for about a month and a half and is now gone; Sheed made almost no contribution and is now gone; Thomas made almost no contribution and is now gone; Camby made no contributions last season; both Copeland and Prigioni are unlikely to be back next season. Our best players from this past season were the guys that were already here. The big difference between this season and the last was that our best player didn't quit on the coach and JR had a much better year.

The first three guys that you mentioned started off doing very well. I think Brewer came back too soon from his knee injury but he played very well at the start of the season. He also turned into a second round pick. Kidd was good for about 2/3 of the season. He had to play a ton of minutes when Felton went down with broken fingers. Thomas did what he was supposed to do and jump started the Knicks run that got them second in the east. As far as Cope and Prigs are concerned they were free agent rookie minimum signings that worked out very well. Again, you said the guy 'blew'. He didn't. The team was totally different from the previous season aside from Tyson, Melo and Novak. The guys he got were integrated in and the team won.

Aside from Tyson, Melo, Novak, Shumpert, and JR you mean. And it's not just about this past season, it's about next season and the season after that and the season after that. We wasted our MLE and our few tradeable assets on 3 guys who won't be helping us next season (Kidd, Camby, Thomas) and maybe the 20th best PG in the league (Felton). From my vantage point it looks like we blew our load last Summer and it culminated in a 2nd round loss.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:I thought last year was the pivotal year and he blew. We were still able to sign-and-trade for players, we still had some tradeable assets, and there was good, young, cheap talent available in free agency. Next season, I'm guessing that the only player that's still contributing for us is Felton and maybe Copeland. That's a huge swing and miss when we couldn't afford one.

He blew? The team was changed dramatically and it won. Brewer, Kidd and Felton were all new to the starting lineup and the team. Prigs, Cope, Sheed, KT, and Camby were all added to the bench and later KMart was added. Amare was lost in training camp. The team was essentially totally revamped except for Tyson and Melo. To do that and win 54 games and make it to the playoffs was a major accomplishment. The Knicks didn't add a big three like the Heat.

Brewer made almost no positive contributions and is gone; Kidd was good for about a month and a half and is now gone; Sheed made almost no contribution and is now gone; Thomas made almost no contribution and is now gone; Camby made no contributions last season; both Copeland and Prigioni are unlikely to be back next season. Our best players from this past season were the guys that were already here. The big difference between this season and the last was that our best player didn't quit on the coach and JR had a much better year.

The first three guys that you mentioned started off doing very well. I think Brewer came back too soon from his knee injury but he played very well at the start of the season. He also turned into a second round pick. Kidd was good for about 2/3 of the season. He had to play a ton of minutes when Felton went down with broken fingers. Thomas did what he was supposed to do and jump started the Knicks run that got them second in the east. As far as Cope and Prigs are concerned they were free agent rookie minimum signings that worked out very well. Again, you said the guy 'blew'. He didn't. The team was totally different from the previous season aside from Tyson, Melo and Novak. The guys he got were integrated in and the team won.

Aside from Tyson, Melo, Novak, Shumpert, and JR you mean. And it's not just about this past season, it's about next season and the season after that and the season after that. We wasted our MLE and our few tradeable assets on 3 guys who won't be helping us next season (Kidd, Camby, Thomas) and maybe the 20th best PG in the league (Felton). From my vantage point it looks like we blew our load last Summer and it culminated in a 2nd round loss.

You might be right. At the time, Grunwald's moves seemed to be solid in the short term but are definitely questionable for the long term. Time will tell but it seems like we've somewhat handicapped our ability to upgrade the roster. Even so, Grunwald has seemed to be pretty creative, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.

IronWillGiroud wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is a pivotal year for Grunwald. He basically has to rebuild the roster again, which is kind of crazy when you think about it. All that work to put together a Contending team last year has almost no carry over to this year. That doesn't normally happen, but when you invest in so many old vets, that's what happens. It was worth a shot and it didn't work, so now back to the drawing board.

Melo, Shump, Felton, Novak and Tyson is your core, with hopefully a healthier STAT and Camby. GEEZ!!! That aint much at all. Do we bring back JR, Cope and Prigs? That still leaves a HUGE gaping hole in the roster. His job is even harder than last year given the diminished resources. The core isn't bad but he's got to hit a home run on most of his coming moves and draft pick.

come on man,

grunwald didn't build a contending team last year,

that's just the line they fed the fans, hook line and fish it,

grunwald's not an idiot, he's aware of what new york is doing:

patching a quilt together for the dull, zombie eyes;

they're gonna patch another quilt together for next season, keep filling the fish bowl up and they'll win some regular season games--- mission accomplished,

there is no chance of new york putting together a serious title challenge in the near future, that's 5-10 years,