All of these guys were late first round and second round picks.....None of these players are stars, but they have all been VERY solid players, who contribute

Luis Scola
Manu ginobili
George Hill
Tiago Splitter
John Salmons
Leandro Barbosa
beno udrih
Ian mahinmi
Dejuan Blair

You need patience and picks to draft and develop. We prefer to go a different route.

Those players needed some time to develop. Have the balls shed Stephan Jax, have the balls to bring him back, and the ball to let shed him again.

Look at how Spurs built around Timmay vs how we built around ewing. Its not the scouts if you don't keep the picks. Its not the scouts if they don't have time to develop.

And what i mean is, the spurs always seem to strike gold with these late picks

Nalod wrote:
Add Parker and Leonard to the list too!

You need patience and picks to draft and develop. We prefer to go a different route.

Those players needed some time to develop. Have the balls shed Stephan Jax, have the balls to bring him back, and the ball to let shed him again.

Look at how Spurs built around Timmay vs how we built around ewing. Its not the scouts if you don't keep the picks. Its not the scouts if they don't have time to develop.

what about Duncan and Robinson? I know they're #1s but other franchises would have drafted Greg Oden or Michael Olowkandi

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:David Lee has blossomed. Nate has a nice role and had monster playoff games. Gallo was leading scorer on a very good Nuggs team before tearing the ALC. Chandler hasnt been healthy but I still see a good NBA rotation player. Landry Fields was a starter. Shump looks great.

Knicks have drafted pretty well. Its building the roster and the other moves that have been poor

Don't forget Mosgov. Also Cope and Priggs too- not drafted, but still scouted.

Scouting isn't our problem, in fact we've done pretty well. Our problem has always been giving up too much with trades (giving away picks left, right and center).

We have put the draft as a means to trade nothing else--we have one player drafted on this roster in the last 10 years of nBA drafts--the least of any team in the NBA. We had a good season but we do not know if our model is sustainable. For all of the money spent draft picks we have had one good season is 12 years is not good.

I guess compared to the Spurs it doesn't match up, but it certainly has been good here.

knickscity wrote:Drafting and scouting has been the Knicks strength in recent years.

I guess compared to the Spurs it doesn't match up, but it certainly has been good here.

Yes, and it was the assets that we used to get melo!

If thats the goal, then we succeeded.

Success defined? For some its loving on a star and enjoy a winning season.

For others, true contendership in the persuit of a championship. That might be final four or making the finals and contending in each series!

Its like the 99' run we had in a strike short season. We came together and made a great run with a bit of luck. We got killed in the finals 4-1 and were never really in that series. I was fun and I was not torn apart we lost as it was just not that kind of team. Not like 93',94', or 2001 (Heat-Knicks brawl). Those loses hurt.

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:David Lee has blossomed. Nate has a nice role and had monster playoff games. Gallo was leading scorer on a very good Nuggs team before tearing the ALC. Chandler hasnt been healthy but I still see a good NBA rotation player. Landry Fields was a starter. Shump looks great.

Knicks have drafted pretty well. Its building the roster and the other moves that have been poor

How about Trevor Ariza?

Hate the throw the name out there, but when you're talking Nate, Lee, Chandler, Ariza, those successful late 1st rounders we've brought in, you reluctantly have to give some kudos to Isiah. Really the only picks he botched (aside from the many traded away), were Frye, who is certainly serviceable, and Balkman.

MaTT4281 wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:David Lee has blossomed. Nate has a nice role and had monster playoff games. Gallo was leading scorer on a very good Nuggs team before tearing the ALC. Chandler hasnt been healthy but I still see a good NBA rotation player. Landry Fields was a starter. Shump looks great.

Knicks have drafted pretty well. Its building the roster and the other moves that have been poor

How about Trevor Ariza?

Hate the throw the name out there, but when you're talking Nate, Lee, Chandler, Ariza, those successful late 1st rounders we've brought in, you reluctantly have to give some kudos to Isiah. Really the only picks he botched (aside from the many traded away), were Frye, who is certainly serviceable, and Balkman.

Channing Frye was selected ahead of Danny Granger and Nate Robinson was selected ahead of Monta Ellis and Marcin Gortat; meanwhile Wilson Chandler was selected ahead of Marc Gasol. Even the things that Isiah did "right" were tainted IMO and that's coming from someone that doesn't think he is as bad as most make him out to be.

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SupremeCommander wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:David Lee has blossomed. Nate has a nice role and had monster playoff games. Gallo was leading scorer on a very good Nuggs team before tearing the ALC. Chandler hasnt been healthy but I still see a good NBA rotation player. Landry Fields was a starter. Shump looks great.

Knicks have drafted pretty well. Its building the roster and the other moves that have been poor

How about Trevor Ariza?

Hate the throw the name out there, but when you're talking Nate, Lee, Chandler, Ariza, those successful late 1st rounders we've brought in, you reluctantly have to give some kudos to Isiah. Really the only picks he botched (aside from the many traded away), were Frye, who is certainly serviceable, and Balkman.

not really... he traded Ariza for Stevie Franchise so he doesn't deserve to be on the list. You also have to consider how disappointing Frye (Bynum was available), Balkman, and Mardy Collins were. I don't think a team built around Nate, Lee, and Chandler deserves any reocgnition whatsoever, especially when he traded piacks to get Curry, Crawford, etc. etc.

...and Steve Francis was a part of the centerpiece that got us a future two-time allstar big man, Zach Randolph, so you got to give Isiah credit for turning a mid-2nd round pick into that. Like you though, I don't think Isiah was as good at the draft as most gave him credit for. The Balkman draft was particularly painful because Rajon Rondo was still on the board; and Collins because of Paul Millsap and Kyle Lowry.

Trying to keep the draft separate from the nightmare that was the rest of Isiah's tenure (so the fact that he traded Ariza for nothing is ignored), and talk only about the scouting and talent recognition. I did note Frye was a botched pick, and forgot Mardy (how the hell could I forget Mardy?!), but considering the earliest pick of the lot above was #21 (Nate), [to go with Chandler (23), Lee (30), and Ariza (44)] you can survive a botched Mardy Collins or Renaldo Balkman. Wasting the lottery picks though is what killed us.