yellowboy90 wrote:biggest needs is for players to play their natural position and Amar'e to stay healthy.

This +1000.

Knicks have needs at every position. We really dont even have a SF other than Melo. We just play Shumpert and Smith out of position.

DurzoBlint wrote:Biggest needs are a 2guard (with good handle) and a backup point guard. If Tyson Chandler plays like he did his 1st year, he along with Martin can hold down the paint.

Shumpert is a 2-guard with good handle, don't you think?

Knixkik wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Biggest needs are a 2guard (with good handle) and a backup point guard. If Tyson Chandler plays like he did his 1st year, he along with Martin can hold down the paint.

Shumpert is a 2-guard with good handle, don't you think?

Shump isn't a starting caliber 2guard imo. If he learns to be effective going to the rim, maybe but, currently dude has zero effectiveness going to the rim. Don't get me wrong, I love Shump, but he needs to be able to do more than just pass the ball when he gets to the rim.

yellowboy90 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Biggest needs are a 2guard (with good handle) and a backup point guard. If Tyson Chandler plays like he did his 1st year, he along with Martin can hold down the paint.

Shumpert is a 2-guard with good handle, don't you think?

Shump isn't a starting caliber 2guard imo. If he learns to be effective going to the rim, maybe but, currently dude has zero effectiveness going to the rim. Don't get me wrong, I love Shump, but he needs to be able to do more than just pass the ball when he gets to the rim.

As a rookie he shot 60% at the rim and if he would have shot that this year he would have shot 44% and 40% from three. He does have to get better but its not a huge stretch that he can be a very good starting 2 guard as soon as next year.

confused at how you came to that conclusions. More open looks doesn't necessary equate better shooting percentage. Sometimes guys who shoot more actually get exposed and, there is no guarantee that he will equal or surpass his rookie stats. Either way, his shooting has improved but, unless he gets betting going to the rim, guys will know to run him off the 3point line.

DurzoBlint wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Biggest needs are a 2guard (with good handle) and a backup point guard. If Tyson Chandler plays like he did his 1st year, he along with Martin can hold down the paint.

Shumpert is a 2-guard with good handle, don't you think?

Shump isn't a starting caliber 2guard imo. If he learns to be effective going to the rim, maybe but, currently dude has zero effectiveness going to the rim. Don't get me wrong, I love Shump, but he needs to be able to do more than just pass the ball when he gets to the rim.

As a rookie he shot 60% at the rim and if he would have shot that this year he would have shot 44% and 40% from three. He does have to get better but its not a huge stretch that he can be a very good starting 2 guard as soon as next year.

confused at how you came to that conclusions. More open looks doesn't necessary equate better shooting percentage. Sometimes guys who shoot more actually get exposed and, there is no guarantee that he will equal or surpass his rookie stats. Either way, his shooting has improved but, unless he gets betting going to the rim, guys will know to run him off the 3point line.

What? NO what I am saying if he would have shot the same percentage at the rim as he did his rookie year those would have been his numbers. It had nothing to do with him being open. It just shows that when healthy he s capable. Obviously he has to get better and it is not a given that he will but I think that he has showed flashes that he is capable.

dk7th wrote:the problem is a tweener-laden roster that doesn't defend.

stoudemire is a tweener-- a small forward masquerading as a power forward who doesn't defend.
melo anthony is also a tweener-- he is neither a power forward nor a small forward. he isn't "versatile" because of his inadequacy to defend either the power forward nor the small forward positions.

both are redundant so even if stoudmire were healthy the problem will remain.

felton is also a tweener-- he is a shooting guard masquerading as a point guard who doesn't defend.

all three of these players are sub-standard as passers and playmakers and none make anyone else around them better, including each other. did i mention they don't defend?

who has the greatest value and is the most tradeable?

that's where the knicks have an opportunity to improve. can't ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room forever.

blaming chandler for the failure of the team is misguided in the extreme. neither melo not felton defend adequately so the hibbert aspect is a red herring. also, chandler's lack of production is directly linked to carmelo and felton's inability to make plays for other adequately.

The Hibbert aspect is not a red herring. CHandler got mauled, but the real problem is that he looked like didn't even try or care. Much like alot of the regular season before he was hurt. He's gotta hit the weight room and come ready to play instead of bitching about how noone throws him alley oops when the defense is ready for that. That's his only scoring play. If he gets the ball down low it's a turnover. He doesn't have one offensive move. How do you make a play for that?

Stat is what he is. but he can play offense as a PF or SF. His D is awful but he isn't why we lost. Melo did a decent job on George and West. He's more 'versatile' than you give him credit for. He's never going to be a shut down defender but he's not the worst.

We need a real PG for sure. Agree on the Felton.

Knixkik wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:Biggest needs are a 2guard (with good handle) and a backup point guard. If Tyson Chandler plays like he did his 1st year, he along with Martin can hold down the paint.

Shumpert is a 2-guard with good handle, don't you think?

Shump isn't a starting caliber 2guard imo. If he learns to be effective going to the rim, maybe but, currently dude has zero effectiveness going to the rim. Don't get me wrong, I love Shump, but he needs to be able to do more than just pass the ball when he gets to the rim.

Shump is absolutely a starting 2guard in this league.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Its really easy to see what the Knicks problems were. We have 14mm$ into Tyson Chandler to guard the goal and we played good D most of the year. We were terrible in transition and we had poor offensive balance. Look at the Spurs--each player has two way skills---they can all make a shot so you must guard 5 yet they also play good D. Thera re no superstar dunkers on the Spurs they play at good pace and they have a quick PG but the team has players who know their roles they have 2 7 footers guadring their rim and play well next 2 each other and then they play hard as a team. We need 2 smart skilled players from the draft and excellent opportunistic use of the MLE(Perhaps Paul Pierce maybe kobe if he gets amnestied) start from there and work down

We aren't going to fix all the Knicks problems with one draft. The team is going to have to be built piece by piece. We need to go after another Iman Shumpert type of player. Super athlete with length who can cover multiple positions and can knock down open 3s if he is a quard or wing. If he is a big man then rebound, defend, and nail 15fters.

Tony Mitchell is a nice piece to add with Shumpert coming out of this draft going forward. Him and Nate Wolters if we could come out of the draft with both of them it would be a great draft.

There are some bigs that fit that profile in this draft. The players a lot of people put to the Knicks Larkin and Dieng dont look like they get to the Knicks now. I would be thrilled with either 1