i never heard of this guy briggs...please elaborate

great J.

surprised he is only 1 inch taller than novak.

Caseloads wrote:better post game than amare.

great J.

surprised he is only 1 inch taller than novak.

Some of these Pg will fall whether green wolters Someone of value will fall. When we talked of. We weren't talking 6 -11 shot blocker with excellent offensive skills

They are just too slow as they both need to work on their speed with a better philosophy on OFFENSE than ISO to get role players involved in a system
As I suggested earlier, Camby was in Woodson's doghouse and DID NOT play because Woodson's loyalty to Chandler/Amare/Martin rather than "his injury of planter faciletes
He has always been productive when given 20-30minutes a game in his entire career and was NOT when playing under 15minutes a game
I still believe he can contribute at a high level and could be no worse than what Tyson Chandler was playing in this year's playoffs if given the chance

How Muscula develops, continues to work hard, and if he reaches his full potential is another story
To me, he is a 2nd round pick and not worthy of a our pick unless we trade down for him like Nate Walters, Pierre Jackson, both McCullums', with a few other players like Solomin Hill
I really like Pierre Jackson and see a bit of Nate Robinson with real PG skills unlike Nate's earlier years, and being a poor man's version of Cp3

For our pick, my opinion would be, we need to either upgrade PG *with speed/quickness to initiate the OFFENSE* or SF possibly SF/PF that can do a bit of EVERYTHING
We have 2 SG's in Smith/Iman that one play's SF and is just too small to defend Paul George/Lebron/Durant/Rudy Gay etc

Shane Larkin *which I think Pacer's will grab right before us*

Giannis Atedembo *he is a project, very young, is quite raw, but but his potential is quite high*
He is the SF/PF with all round skills, athleticism, length, versatility, all round skills, and huge hands
is only 18 and could still be growing as he continues to fill out body *only about 200 pds) and reminds me of a bit between AK47 and Ibaka

Both solid players that likely be ready to contribute right away but with less "potential"
Sergey Karasev a very good shooter that is a SF with good all round skills, and plays within a TEAM CONCEPT
Glen Rice JR with a taste of playing with D League and carrying the team to the finals

Both have good potential and can contribute but slightly too high for our pick
Allen Crabbe
Archie Goodwin

With Pablo and Copeland, I don't think it worth using our mini MLE to keep and I am 50/50 about Copeland *I think he is worth it but we have so many positions to fill and Woodson just doesn't utilize him to his strengths for the "big names like Amare and players that coach likes"
Say we can package both of them to The Spur's for a combined 5m trade exemption and 2 2nd round picks, one in this year's draft and next years draft, it is something we have to consider *would prefer Spur's 1st round pick this year but doubt that is happening*

Unless we can find a taker for Tyson CHandler to a team like Portland for multiple 2nd round picks (they have picks 38,39,45 this year), our 2nd round pick last summer *says he wants out of Portland*, and the trade exemption of 10-14m
Again, this isn't about getting value for Chandler himself, it is about going under the luxury tax, and regaining the flexibility/asset's/exemptions with 10-14m/ 5m MLE vs 3m mini mle, and possibly even the 2m Bi Annual Exemption
If we made a move like this I would be in favoring of keeping Copeland

But with Kidd already here, I just don't think Pablo is worth keeping with Felton unable to defend PG *for majority of the league* and SG's *for the contenders*
I think we just need much more speed on both ends of the floor on DEF and OFF, penetration, and ability to facilitate the team

With our 2nd year players in Q, Earl Barron, trade exemption in Brewer, + 150% rule, 3m in cash, I would target players *that are realistic options* like

Brandon Rush - he is coming of a knee injury but has a player option for 4m on 1 year
He was very efficient player in limited minutes, REB/DEF/1 block + 1 STEAL/ and had good length/athleticism

Barea(probably more realistic without including assets and just salary dump)

Ridnour/Sessions *would most likely require an asset with at least a 2nd round pick*
Nelson *not sure how we can get him since he has a higher salary though*

I wouldn't mind James Johnson as a vet min player and would give him a 2 year contract
We just need much more size in our SF/PF department
Stephen Jackson/Ron Artest(if amnestied) would fit the younger SF/PF as vet min contract is
Thing is we don't have much roster spots and Chris Wright would hold one as well while we need upgrades in many positions with a youth movement that can contribute and still continue to develop for our future

With all the players like Rhondo/Rose/Granger and team's improving with salary cap/exemptions/amenstied possibilities it would be a much tougher next season as this year was likely our best chance in going all the way/at least ECF
Scary thing about Pacer's is they could still trade Granger or at least amnesty him while still having the ability to go after a max layer like Cp3 or 2-3 solid players while keeping their core together with the development of Plumlee as their PF/C in his 2nd year

Still remember some poster's saying "PACER"S DO NOT strike fear in me"
Well Paul George is a big reason of their improvements that is a max talent that does not have EGO issues and plays well in all aspect's of the game in terms of DEF/Facilitating/Scoring or doing whatever is needed without for the benefit of the team rather than playing like he thinks he is a LEGEND already
His ability to defend Melo/Lebron 1v1 with Hibbert in the back helping is a big part of the Pacer's success with his combination of size/length/athleticism/ and all round skills
He is already more talented than Melo in all aspects of the game *besides scoring* and is only going to get better, while his "max pay" will be 5-10m less than what Melo could be starting at for his next contract in a Joe Johnson type deal
His talent is comparable to a younger Tmac/Grant Hill and with great DEF plus work ethic

RonRon wrote:he reminds of a Troy Murphy with less athleticism and not as good of a shooter in his better years
I don't think he fits well with Tyson Chandler *unless Chandler regains his mobility/speed/athleticism/strength and is a solid 1v1 defender and good help defender*
A lot of Chandler's improved rebounds have come from *TAP OUT's that should NOT be counted as a rebound but recently did*
They are just too slow as they both need to work on their speed with a better philosophy on OFFENSE than ISO to get role players involved in a system
As I suggested earlier, Camby was in Woodson's doghouse and DID NOT play because Woodson's loyalty to Chandler/Amare/Martin rather than "his injury of planter faciletes
He has always been productive when given 20-30minutes a game in his entire career and was NOT when playing under 15minutes a game
I still believe he can contribute at a high level and could be no worse than what Tyson Chandler was playing in this year's playoffs if given the chance

How Muscula develops, continues to work hard, and if he reaches his full potential is another story
To me, he is a 2nd round pick and not worthy of a our pick unless we trade down for him like Nate Walters, Pierre Jackson, both McCullums', with a few other players like Solomin Hill

For our pick, my opinion would be, we need to either upgrade PG or SF possibly SF/PF
We have 2 SG's in Smith/Iman that one play's SF and is just too small to defend Paul George/Lebron/Durant/Rudy Gay etc

Shane Larkin *which I think Pacer's will grab right before us*

Giannis Atedembo *he is a project, very young, is quite raw, but but his potential is quite high*
He is the SF/PF with all round skills, athleticism, length, versatility, all round skills, and huge hands
is only 18 and could still be growing as he continues to fill out body *only about 200 pds) and reminds me of a bit between AK47 and Ibaka

Both solid players that likely be ready to contribute right away but with less "potential"
Sergey Karasev a very good shooter that is a SF with good all round skills, and plays within a TEAM CONCEPT
Glen Rice JR with a taste of playing with D League and carrying the team to the finals

Both have good potential and can contribute but slightly too high for our pick
Allen Crabbe
Archie Goodwin

With Pablo and Copeland, I don't think it worth using our mini MLE to keep and I am 50/50 about Copeland *I think he is worth it but we have so many positions to fill and Woodson just doesn't utilize him to his strengths for the "big names like Amare and players that coach likes"
Say we can package both of them to The Spur's for a combined 5m trade exemption and 2 2nd round picks, one in this year's draft and next years draft, it is something we have to consider *would prefer Spur's 1st round pick this year but doubt that is happening*

Unless we can find a taker for Tyson CHandler to a team like Portland for multiple 2nd round picks (they have picks 38,39,45 this year), our 2nd round pick last summer *says he wants out of Portland*, and the trade exemption of 10-14m
Again, this isn't about getting value for Chandler himself, it is about going under the luxury tax, and regaining the flexibility/asset's/exemptions with 10-14m/ 5m MLE vs 3m mini mle, and possibly even the 2m Bi Annual Exemption
If we made a move like this I would be in favoring of keeping Copeland

But with Kidd already here, I just don't think Pablo is worth keeping with Felton unable to defend PG *for majority of the league* and SG's *for the contenders*
I think we just need much more speed on both ends of the floor on DEF and OFF, penetration, and ability to facilitate the team

With our 2nd year players in Q, Earl Barron, trade exemption in Brewer, + 150% rule, I would target players like

Brandon Rush - he is coming of a knee injury but has a player option for 4m on 1 year
He was very efficient player in limited minutes, REB/DEF/1 block + 1 STEAL/ and had good length/athleticism

Barea(probably more realistic without including assets and just salary dump)

Ridnour/Sessions *would most likely require an asset with at least a 2nd round pick*

I wouldn't mind James Johnson as a vet min player and would give him a 2 year contract
We just need much more size in our SF/PF department
Stephen Jackson/Ron Artest(if amnestied) would fit the younger SF/PF as vet min contract is
Thing is we don't have much roster spots and Chris Wright would hold one as well while we need upgrades in many positions with a youth movement that can contribute and still continue to develop for our future

With all the players like Rhondo/Rose/Granger and team's improving with salary cap/exemptions/amenstied possibilities it would be a much tougher next season as this year was likely our best chance in going all the way/at least ECF
Scary thing about Pacer's is they could still trade Granger or at least amnesty him while still having the ability to go after a max layer like Cp3 or 2-3 solid players while keeping their core together with the development of Plumlee as their PF/C in his 2nd year

Still remember some poster's saying "PACER"S DO NOT strike fear in me"
Well Paul George is a big reason of their improvements that is a max talent that does not have EGO issues and plays well in all aspect's of the game in terms of DEF/Facilitating/Scoring or doing whatever is needed without for the benefit of the team rather than playing like he thinks he is a LEGEND already
His ability to defend Melo/Lebron 1v1 with Hibbert in the back helping is a big part of the Pacer's success with his combination of size/length/athleticism/ and all round skills
He is already more talented than Melo in all aspects of the game *besides scoring* and is only going to get better, while his "max pay" will be 5-10m less than what Melo could be starting at for his next contract in a Joe Johnson type deal
His talent is comparable to a younger Tmac/Grant Hill and with great DEF plus work ethic

You keep saying second round picks but that does not create anything. You need 1st round picks or players because you have no assets to offer a team in a S&T to take advantage of the exception space. If you get the 10th pick, Pap, and Leonard/2nd rounder. Then that is a decent trade borderline bad.

yellowboy90 wrote:

RonRon wrote:he reminds of a Troy Murphy with less athleticism and not as good of a shooter in his better years
I don't think he fits well with Tyson Chandler *unless Chandler regains his mobility/speed/athleticism/strength and is a solid 1v1 defender and good help defender*
A lot of Chandler's improved rebounds have come from *TAP OUT's that should NOT be counted as a rebound but recently did*
They are just too slow as they both need to work on their speed with a better philosophy on OFFENSE than ISO to get role players involved in a system
As I suggested earlier, Camby was in Woodson's doghouse and DID NOT play because Woodson's loyalty to Chandler/Amare/Martin rather than "his injury of planter faciletes
He has always been productive when given 20-30minutes a game in his entire career and was NOT when playing under 15minutes a game
I still believe he can contribute at a high level and could be no worse than what Tyson Chandler was playing in this year's playoffs if given the chance

How Muscula develops, continues to work hard, and if he reaches his full potential is another story
To me, he is a 2nd round pick and not worthy of a our pick unless we trade down for him like Nate Walters, Pierre Jackson, both McCullums', with a few other players like Solomin Hill

For our pick, my opinion would be, we need to either upgrade PG or SF possibly SF/PF
We have 2 SG's in Smith/Iman that one play's SF and is just too small to defend Paul George/Lebron/Durant/Rudy Gay etc

Shane Larkin *which I think Pacer's will grab right before us*

Giannis Atedembo *he is a project, very young, is quite raw, but but his potential is quite high*
He is the SF/PF with all round skills, athleticism, length, versatility, all round skills, and huge hands
is only 18 and could still be growing as he continues to fill out body *only about 200 pds) and reminds me of a bit between AK47 and Ibaka

Both solid players that likely be ready to contribute right away but with less "potential"
Sergey Karasev a very good shooter that is a SF with good all round skills, and plays within a TEAM CONCEPT
Glen Rice JR with a taste of playing with D League and carrying the team to the finals

Both have good potential and can contribute but slightly too high for our pick
Allen Crabbe
Archie Goodwin

With Pablo and Copeland, I don't think it worth using our mini MLE to keep and I am 50/50 about Copeland *I think he is worth it but we have so many positions to fill and Woodson just doesn't utilize him to his strengths for the "big names like Amare and players that coach likes"
Say we can package both of them to The Spur's for a combined 5m trade exemption and 2 2nd round picks, one in this year's draft and next years draft, it is something we have to consider *would prefer Spur's 1st round pick this year but doubt that is happening*

Unless we can find a taker for Tyson CHandler to a team like Portland for multiple 2nd round picks (they have picks 38,39,45 this year), our 2nd round pick last summer *says he wants out of Portland*, and the trade exemption of 10-14m
Again, this isn't about getting value for Chandler himself, it is about going under the luxury tax, and regaining the flexibility/asset's/exemptions with 10-14m/ 5m MLE vs 3m mini mle, and possibly even the 2m Bi Annual Exemption
If we made a move like this I would be in favoring of keeping Copeland

But with Kidd already here, I just don't think Pablo is worth keeping with Felton unable to defend PG *for majority of the league* and SG's *for the contenders*
I think we just need much more speed on both ends of the floor on DEF and OFF, penetration, and ability to facilitate the team

With our 2nd year players in Q, Earl Barron, trade exemption in Brewer, + 150% rule, I would target players like

Brandon Rush - he is coming of a knee injury but has a player option for 4m on 1 year
He was very efficient player in limited minutes, REB/DEF/1 block + 1 STEAL/ and had good length/athleticism

Barea(probably more realistic without including assets and just salary dump)

Ridnour/Sessions *would most likely require an asset with at least a 2nd round pick*

I wouldn't mind James Johnson as a vet min player and would give him a 2 year contract
We just need much more size in our SF/PF department
Stephen Jackson/Ron Artest(if amnestied) would fit the younger SF/PF as vet min contract is
Thing is we don't have much roster spots and Chris Wright would hold one as well while we need upgrades in many positions with a youth movement that can contribute and still continue to develop for our future

With all the players like Rhondo/Rose/Granger and team's improving with salary cap/exemptions/amenstied possibilities it would be a much tougher next season as this year was likely our best chance in going all the way/at least ECF
Scary thing about Pacer's is they could still trade Granger or at least amnesty him while still having the ability to go after a max layer like Cp3 or 2-3 solid players while keeping their core together with the development of Plumlee as their PF/C in his 2nd year

Still remember some poster's saying "PACER"S DO NOT strike fear in me"
Well Paul George is a big reason of their improvements that is a max talent that does not have EGO issues and plays well in all aspect's of the game in terms of DEF/Facilitating/Scoring or doing whatever is needed without for the benefit of the team rather than playing like he thinks he is a LEGEND already
His ability to defend Melo/Lebron 1v1 with Hibbert in the back helping is a big part of the Pacer's success with his combination of size/length/athleticism/ and all round skills
He is already more talented than Melo in all aspects of the game *besides scoring* and is only going to get better, while his "max pay" will be 5-10m less than what Melo could be starting at for his next contract in a Joe Johnson type deal
His talent is comparable to a younger Tmac/Grant Hill and with great DEF plus work ethic

You keep saying second round picks but that does not create anything. You need 1st round picks or players because you have no assets to offer a team in a S&T to take advantage of the exception space. If you get the 10th pick, Pap, and Leonard/2nd rounder. Then that is a decent trade borderline bad.

@yellowboy

It isn't what you want or what we need, it is what Chandler is worth
At 14m, be happy if a team is willing to take on his contract, and if you think his playoff run is worthy of a 1st round pick you are lying to yourself
AGAIN, by trading him to a team under the salary cap,

1- we gain a 14m trade exemption (that we can use in a trade or sign a FA)
2- go under the tax threshold which would allow us to participate in Sign and Trades
3- allow's us to keep Copeland/Pablo and even utilize Camby vs NOT USING HIM AT ALL while he can or may not be effective *but with Tyson here Woodson will not use him*
4- the 2nd round picks we could use in potential trades, euro stash talent, and high risk/high reward type players
5- have the 5m MLE to use with 2m Bi annual Exemption, while freeing up roster spots, it was obvious we needed upgrades in many position, and vet min players are just not good enough to surround around our team

Yes, I would like a 1st round pick, but it is very unlikely with the way he is played this play offs, and the benefits of trading him are in the above
The same reason why Rudy Gay was traded for NOTHING while he is much more talented than Chandler
The value IS NOT IN THE TRADE ITSELF, it is in the advantages that also come with the 14m trade exemption and being under the tax threshold

Chandler's production in the play offs was worse than a vet min player as he was unable to defend Hibbert 1v1 or help in REB/DEF/HELP DEF/SHOT BLOCKING/and while being a huge liability on Offense as Hibbert was defending him and whoever tried to get in the paint
What was even worse was his EFFORT mixed with his lack of mobility and he should have never opened his mouth
He often did not cut to the basket or contest shot layups, and fight for position, allowing Hibbert to always get position for the offensive rebound

Chandler needs to be next to a REAL stretch 4, with legit SF's, and a very good PG, he must be the only weak link on the floor while all 4 other plays must be able to hit a 3point shot
Aldridge can play shoot right inside the 3point line and play outside/in and inside out, while both Love and Aldridge would both benefit on DEF if Chandler is closer to the play of last season, we honestly don't have the team to utilize Chandler's potential
He was once a solid all round DEFENDER but not dominant by any means and he needs the team to have the abilities to do so, in Batuum he has that 1 player with LA's length/athleticism/verstility
IE Dirk is NOT considered a good defender by any means but he was very good as Dirk/Chandler complimented each other with the rest of the team with Marion/Barea/Terry/a younger Kidd/Stevenson and Brewer

Had we not traded for Melo, I can see Chandler being very good with that team if we signed him as a FA, while trading for our "STAR" in a trade without overpaying
We could have still signed Lin and traded for Cp3/Deron/Harden with that team with the assets we parted with
Players that play within a TEAM concept, have good BB IQ, and play hard on both ends off the floor
Instead we chose the exact opposite and Chandler just does not FIT

Portland, Twolves, and OKC, are some teams that have the ability to utilize Chandler at his best but for our best chances in improving the entire roster is by gaining the 14m trade exemption *which makes us a possibility for CP3 in addition to ALL OF THE ABOVE*

yellowboy90 wrote:See there is no reason to have the trade exception if you do not have any assets to use in a sign and trade. It may open up some little deals but nothing that would improve the team. Also, I did not vote Tyson first team D. That was the coaches. I think teams still value Tyson a bit and in this draft a first rounder for Tyson should be a given. I know about his production in the playoffs but the Blazer, OkC, and LA maybe desperate enough to take Tyson to fill a huge need.

OKC it would be about Paul and Paul only. He reportedly doesn't like Blake or Griffin so they could do something to make him happy.

Blazers badly wants a "defensive Center". First Team Tyson fits that.

T'Wolves, I do not know why the T'wolves would take Tyson over Peko. Unless Saunders value Tyson more and wants a little more defensive rebounding.

Side Note:

What is Al-Farouq Aminu going for this summer? Yes he has been a disappointment but I would take a flyer on him for the vet min. N.O. didn't even pick up his option so I don't think his value is high. Tell him to defend, rebound, and work with Hopla. I think this young player could become a nice role player.

14m is a nice amount to chase any player with
Cp3 can probably get more but NO WHERE would he be able to market himself better than NYC
All State and many endorsements deals would be headed our way if he signs a 3 year deal with an opt out after 2nd which is when we can have the ability to resign
Lin is a complete joke when compared to Cp3 and I think SIGNING him with that 14 exemption is the closest we can get in building a team around Melo

Melo
Cp3
Amare (till the end of 2015) maybe in 2015 we can form a big 3 of Melo/Cp3/Aldridge or Love
JR
Iman

MLE
1st round pick

Pablo/Copeland to keep or send to a team like SA for 2nd round picks and salary exemption of about 5m together??

whatever 2nd round picks we acquire to get from Portland as they own picks 39,40, and 45
whether to use euro stash talent/high risk high reward development players/ or players that can contribute right away like Solomon Hill, Ryan Kelly

and another player in 2015 FA class to longer deals

About Al Farouq Aminu, he is the same guy that some here said was already better than Wilson Chandler
Those same people that said we won the Melo trade....

trade for Cp3
vs
Melo

Eric Gordon (is he really better than Gallo)
Aminu (are they better than Gallo/Chandler?)
1 1st round lottery pick from Cleveland is this better than 1 Knicks pick in 2014, swap in 2016, 2 GS 2nd round picks *one of which was predicted an early 2nd round pick*

AR worth a 2nd round pick at the time?
forget about the 40m we saved in salary + more in taxes with Curry's contract
Felton that turned in to Portland's 1st rounder and Andre Miller