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New York Times

May 21, 2013
Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories
By MAGGIE KOERTH-BAKER
In the days following the bombings at the Boston Marathon, speculation online regarding the identity and motive of the unknown perpetrator or perpetrators was rampant. And once the Tsarnaev brothers were identified and the manhunt came to a close, the speculation didn’t cease. It took a new form. A sampling: Maybe the brothers Tsarnaev were just patsies, fall guys set up to take the heat for a mysterious Saudi with high-level connections; or maybe they were innocent, but instead of the Saudis, the actual bomber had acted on behalf of a rogue branch of our own government; or what if the Tsarnaevs were behind the attacks, but were secretly working for a larger organization?

Crazy as these theories are, those propagating them are not — they’re quite normal, in fact. But recent scientific research tells us this much: if you think one of the theories above is plausible, you probably feel the same way about the others, even though they contradict one another. And it’s very likely that this isn’t the only news story that makes you feel as if shadowy forces are behind major world events.

“The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief in other conspiracy theories,” says Viren Swami, a psychology professor who studies conspiracy belief at the University of Westminster in England. Psychologists say that’s because a conspiracy theory isn’t so much a response to a single event as it is an expression of an overarching worldview.

As Richard Hofstadter wrote in his seminal 1965 book, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics,” conspiracy theories, especially those involving meddlesome foreigners, are a favorite pastime in this nation. Americans have always had the sneaking suspicion that somebody was out to get us — be it Freemasons, Catholics or communists. But in recent years, it seems as if every tragedy comes with a round of yarn-spinning, as the Web fills with stories about “false flag” attacks and “crisis actors” — not mere theorizing but arguments for the existence of a completely alternate version of reality.

Since Hofstadter’s book was published, our access to information has vastly improved, which you would think would have helped minimize such wild speculation. But according to recent scientific research on the matter, it most likely only serves to make theories more convincing to the public. What’s even more surprising is that this sort of theorizing isn’t limited to those on the margins. Perfectly sane minds possess an incredible capacity for developing narratives, and even some of the wildest conspiracy theories can be grounded in rational thinking, which makes them that much more pernicious. Consider this: 63 percent of registered American voters believe in at least one political conspiracy theory, according to a recent poll conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University.

While psychologists can’t know exactly what goes on inside our heads, they have, through surveys and laboratory studies, come up with a set of traits that correlate well with conspiracy belief. In 2010, Swami and a co-author summarized this research in The Psychologist, a scientific journal. They found, perhaps surprisingly, that believers are more likely to be cynical about the world in general and politics in particular. Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness.

Economic recessions, terrorist attacks and natural disasters are massive, looming threats, but we have little power over when they occur or how or what happens afterward. In these moments of powerlessness and uncertainty, a part of the brain called the amygdala kicks into action. Paul Whalen, a scientist at Dartmouth College who studies the amygdala, says it doesn’t exactly do anything on its own. Instead, the amygdala jump-starts the rest of the brain into analytical overdrive — prompting repeated reassessments of information in an attempt to create a coherent and understandable narrative, to understand what just happened, what threats still exist and what should be done now. This may be a useful way to understand how, writ large, the brain’s capacity for generating new narratives after shocking events can contribute to so much paranoia in this country.

“If you know the truth and others don’t, that’s one way you can reassert feelings of having agency,” Swami says. It can be comforting to do your own research even if that research is flawed. It feels good to be the wise old goat in a flock of sheep.

Surprisingly, Swami’s work has also turned up a correlation between conspiracy theorizing and strong support of democratic principles. But this isn’t quite so strange if you consider the context. Kathryn Olmsted, a historian at the University of California, Davis, says that conspiracy theories wouldn’t exist in a world in which real conspiracies don’t exist. And those conspiracies — Watergate or the Iran-contra Affair — often involve manipulating and circumventing the democratic process. Even people who believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually a drama staged by actors couch their arguments in concern for the preservation of the Second Amendment.

Our access to high-quality information has not, unfortunately, ushered in an age in which disagreements of this sort can easily be solved with a quick Google search. In fact, the Internet has made things worse. Confirmation bias — the tendency to pay more attention to evidence that supports what you already believe — is a well-documented and common human failing. People have been writing about it for centuries. In recent years, though, researchers have found that confirmation bias is not easy to overcome. You can’t just drown it in facts.

In 2006, the political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler identified a phenomenon called the “backfire effect.” They showed that efforts to debunk inaccurate political information can leave people more convinced that false information is true than they would have been otherwise. Nyhan isn’t sure why this happens, but it appears to be more prevalent when the bad information helps bolster a favored worldview or ideology.

In that way, Swami says, the Internet and other media have helped perpetuate paranoia. Not only does more exposure to these alternative narratives help engender belief in conspiracies, he says, but the Internet’s tendency toward tribalism helps reinforce misguided beliefs.

And that’s a problem. Because while believing George W. Bush helped plan the Sept. 11 attacks might make you feel in control, it doesn’t actually make you so. Earlier this year, Karen Douglas, a University of Kent psychologist, along with a student, published research in which they exposed people to conspiracy theories about climate change and the death of Princess Diana. Those who got information supporting the theories but not information debunking them were more likely to withdraw from participation in politics and were less likely to take action to reduce their carbon footprints.

Alex Jones, a syndicated radio host, can build fame as a conspiracy peddler; politicians can hint at conspiracies for votes and leverage; but if conspiracy theories are a tool the average person uses to reclaim his sense of agency and access to democracy, it’s an ineffective tool. It can even have dangerous health implications. For example, research has shown that African-Americans who believe AIDS is a weapon loosed on them by the government (remembering the abuses of the Tuskegee experiment) are less likely to practice protected sex. And if you believe that governments or corporations are hiding evidence that vaccines harm children, you’re less likely to have your children vaccinated. The result: pockets of measles and whooping-cough infections and a few deaths in places with low child-vaccination rates.

Psychologists aren’t sure whether powerlessness causes conspiracy theories or vice versa. Either way, the current scientific thinking suggests these beliefs are nothing more than an extreme form of cynicism, a turning away from politics and traditional media — which only perpetuates the problem.

Maggie Koerth-Baker is science editor at BoingBoing.net and author of “Before the Lights Go Out,” on the future of energy production and consumption.

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5/22/2013  12:40 AM
Wait a minute. So you're telling me that if a person believes in conspiracy theories than that person believes in conspiracy theories? I think Viren Swami needs to run for president of the Tautology Club.
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5/22/2013  1:30 AM
why does everything have to be explained? if you believe in a conspiracy who cares? theres obviously reading about conspiracy theories, taking the "knowledge" for what it's worth and then there's the psychos with these podcasts who believe the next comet means the coming of christ. as with everything else in life.. it's all about moderation. does it really have to have an explanation?

the people who waste their team researching this **** are just as bad as the people who believe every last word of it.

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5/22/2013  4:37 AM
Interesting read, but rather useless to me.. still trying to figure out the IMPORTANT part..
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5/22/2013  7:30 AM

1 Important because its part of our culture now.

2. Stern and the "conspiracy" of the lottery and teams he wants to win.

3. when you start talking about trading a player the thread continues as if there must be validity.

We do this "conspiracy validation" everyday when we visit places like the UK were opinion can turn into a sort of fact. Many are convinced the knicks were "contenders" and then can't believe we lost to the Pacers. When a group starts believing its a following of sorts.

Is it important? Every day we are seeing more and more content that is passed over as "news" when its fabricated in the alternative press.

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5/22/2013  8:11 AM
Nalod wrote:
1 Important because its part of our culture now.

2. Stern and the "conspiracy" of the lottery and teams he wants to win.

3. when you start talking about trading a player the thread continues as if there must be validity.

We do this "conspiracy validation" everyday when we visit places like the UK were opinion can turn into a sort of fact. Many are convinced the knicks were "contenders" and then can't believe we lost to the Pacers. When a group starts believing its a following of sorts.

Is it important? Every day we are seeing more and more content that is passed over as "news" when its fabricated in the alternative press.

What I dont get is why they dont do the drawing on TV. Make Ping pong balls with the teams logo on it. I also think instead of finish standing the ping pong ball split should be done on Wins.Also I like the way Hockey does does it as well.

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5/22/2013  8:17 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
Nalod wrote:
1 Important because its part of our culture now.

2. Stern and the "conspiracy" of the lottery and teams he wants to win.

3. when you start talking about trading a player the thread continues as if there must be validity.

We do this "conspiracy validation" everyday when we visit places like the UK were opinion can turn into a sort of fact. Many are convinced the knicks were "contenders" and then can't believe we lost to the Pacers. When a group starts believing its a following of sorts.

Is it important? Every day we are seeing more and more content that is passed over as "news" when its fabricated in the alternative press.

What I dont get is why they dont do the drawing on TV. Make Ping pong balls with the teams logo on it. I also think instead of finish standing the ping pong ball split should be done on Wins.Also I like the way Hockey does does it as well.

I don't know either. They seem to satisfy the owners with their process and oversight as it is.

NOt everything points to conspiracy. Seems to me if you really want to make money you see to it that New york is a really important market/team and promotion of it would benefit many. Yet, we are usually the "victims"!

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5/22/2013  10:04 AM
This article looks like part of the conspiracy to discredit conspiracy theories.
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5/22/2013  11:03 AM
BasketballJones wrote:This article looks like part of the conspiracy to discredit conspiracy theories.

Yeah, and while they do that they are distracting us so we don't see whats really going on!

Im thinking the pentegan has a tornado machine?

I have been asking around some "sources" I have in wasthington and nobody said we don't.

So after my exhaustive research the fact that nobody can tell me otherwise, then we do.

Dick Bavetta was bragging that if OKC loses they were going to mow it down!

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5/22/2013  11:54 AM
Nalod, have you been spending too much time with playa on the Boston Marathon Conspiracy thread again?
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5/22/2013  12:12 PM
jrodmc wrote:Nalod, have you been spending too much time with playa on the Boston Marathon Conspiracy thread again?

Not one second. I read The Times daily and this article is brand new. I will admit a few weeks ago his posts were compelling and got me to look at the practice of "theorists" and how many people get hooked on it. Seems like some montetized it very well.

I thought Playa was unique to this. I was wrong, its big business! Being ex military a person like Playa belongs to a "group" and that group was trained in the military which strips away your indviduality so you confirm to greater good that branch of forces are enlisted to do. I get it. It makes them more suseptible to control issues post military and this is one way for him to feel back in control. Im not speaking for Playa and I don't know him other than what he offers. I speak in general terms.

On the lighter side, if enough fans start to buy into Melo "coming home" and believe he is a super-duper star then fans start to believe it.

The truth gets stretched and that distortion perpetuated.

Politics, conspiracy, and Mooby..........

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5/22/2013  12:14 PM
BasketballJones wrote:This article looks like part of the conspiracy to discredit conspiracy theories.


BINGO ! Why do you think he posted it.

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5/22/2013  12:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2013  12:37 PM
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Nalod, have you been spending too much time with playa on the Boston Marathon Conspiracy thread again?

Not one second. I read The Times daily and this article is brand new. I will admit a few weeks ago his posts were compelling and got me to look at the practice of "theorists" and how many people get hooked on it. Seems like some montetized it very well.

I thought Playa was unique to this. I was wrong, its big business! Being ex military a person like Playa belongs to a "group" and that group was trained in the military which strips away your indviduality so you confirm to greater good that branch of forces are enlisted to do. I get it. It makes them more suseptible to control issues post military and this is one way for him to feel back in control. Im not speaking for Playa and I don't know him other than what he offers. I speak in general terms.

On the lighter side, if enough fans start to buy into Melo "coming home" and believe he is a super-duper star then fans start to believe it.

The truth gets stretched and that distortion perpetuated.

Politics, conspiracy, and Mooby..........


Your bait post above is so weak I almost spit out my drink.

I don't belong to a group, i'm an individual who just so happen to agree with people who know what's going on and not so busy with work kids school reality tv etc.... to know what's happening in the country I live.
What you will learn is history repeats itself, but if you don't know history you call people conspiracy theorist. LOL

Americans not all, but many are asleep when it comes to what's really going on. That's not a conspiracy that's reality. We live in a high tech society, anything is possible. Most people in NY think nobody could have planned the attack and then blame other countries or individuals.

Well read this, as a nation we tried to do it before of 40 yrs ago.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1#.UZzyjKxRhSk

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities with a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

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5/22/2013  12:57 PM
playa2 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:This article looks like part of the conspiracy to discredit conspiracy theories.


BINGO ! Why do you think he posted it.


Perfect!
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playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Nalod, have you been spending too much time with playa on the Boston Marathon Conspiracy thread again?

Not one second. I read The Times daily and this article is brand new. I will admit a few weeks ago his posts were compelling and got me to look at the practice of "theorists" and how many people get hooked on it. Seems like some montetized it very well.

I thought Playa was unique to this. I was wrong, its big business! Being ex military a person like Playa belongs to a "group" and that group was trained in the military which strips away your indviduality so you confirm to greater good that branch of forces are enlisted to do. I get it. It makes them more suseptible to control issues post military and this is one way for him to feel back in control. Im not speaking for Playa and I don't know him other than what he offers. I speak in general terms.

On the lighter side, if enough fans start to buy into Melo "coming home" and believe he is a super-duper star then fans start to believe it.

The truth gets stretched and that distortion perpetuated.

Politics, conspiracy, and Mooby..........


Your bait post above is so weak I almost spit out my drink.

I don't belong to a group, i'm an individual who just so happen to agree with people who know what's going on and not so busy with work kids school reality tv etc.... to know what's happening in the country I live.
What you will learn is history repeats itself, but if you don't know history you call people conspiracy theorist. LOL

Americans not all, but many are asleep when it comes to what's really going on. That's not a conspiracy that's reality. We live in a high tech society, anything is possible. Most people in NY think nobody could have planned the attack and then blame other countries or individuals.

Well read this, as a nation we tried to do it before of 40 yrs ago.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1#.UZzyjKxRhSk

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities with a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

From the referenced article above.....

“The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief in other conspiracy theories,” says Viren Swami, a psychology professor who studies conspiracy belief at the University of Westminster in England. Psychologists say that’s because a conspiracy theory isn’t so much a response to a single event as it is an expression of an overarching worldview.

There is not argueing this with you. Its not "proof" to debunk your belief system. Thats yours to keep.

I don't doubt there are, or have been "conspiracy's" in history. That does not mean they are as epidemic as some might want to believe.

Im sure you think "suspicious" of this thread as "bait" but really I could not imagine any scenario were I can convince against your core belief. I am aligned to think there is a lot held below the line in terms of how foreign policy and wars are stimulated but think more in economic benefit.

I once visited the Soviet Union in the early 80's and digested their propoganda. While its was easy to dubunk much of it there was a familar overtone and it left me suspicious about ours. While we always viewd the communist doctrine as pure evil (a lot of is was) the fact they lost 20 million during WW2 is a strong fact and the over all message might be " this ain't happening on our soil, you want to mess with us it will be in Western Europe and it will be there very fast"! From that persepctive one can understand.

We haver our own priorities. Its not always pure. I get that.

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5/22/2013  1:23 PM
ok but we must be careful: if you read blindly then you will automatically dismiss all 'conspiracy' theories,

you must realize that conspiracies DO exist, this is not the same as saying that all conspiracies are true,

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IronWillGiroud wrote:ok but we must be careful: if you read blindly then you will automatically dismiss all 'conspiracy' theories,

you must realize that conspiracies DO exist, this is not the same as saying that all conspiracies are true,

I agree!

I don't doubt there are, or have been "conspiracy's" in history. That does not mean they are as epidemic as some might want to believe.

There are some that are valid, and as the article said, belief in one does not make them all as such.

The NY times has more journalistic credibility than any non mainstream website. Not that I believe everything I read, but this article quotes its sources and does not get into "whose right, whose wrong" about the subject. Just the thinking behind it.

The Sandy Hook conspiracy was flat out offensive. It was a bad example of textbook "If you can't explain it in the first few hours then it must be evil".

Regarding Cuba? Well if you take that story and combine it with the Bay of Pigs fiasco then its very plausible. What was the end game? Looks to me like the goal was to convince the public to support a war in Cuba if need be. Whip the public into a blood thirsty frenzy. Are these the same a black flag luciferian new world order doctrines? Or propaganda to support a shift in foriegn policy to secure our interests? Who wins?

I did not write the article, nor intend for this to be a witch hunt on Playa2. Its a NY Times article, a mainstream publication just written. Not alternative press kind of stuff.

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5/22/2013  3:44 PM
Nalod wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:ok but we must be careful: if you read blindly then you will automatically dismiss all 'conspiracy' theories,

you must realize that conspiracies DO exist, this is not the same as saying that all conspiracies are true,

I agree!

I don't doubt there are, or have been "conspiracy's" in history. That does not mean they are as epidemic as some might want to believe.

There are some that are valid, and as the article said, belief in one does not make them all as such.

The NY times has more journalistic credibility than any non mainstream website. Not that I believe everything I read, but this article quotes its sources and does not get into "whose right, whose wrong" about the subject. Just the thinking behind it.

The Sandy Hook conspiracy was flat out offensive. It was a bad example of textbook "If you can't explain it in the first few hours then it must be evil".

Regarding Cuba? Well if you take that story and combine it with the Bay of Pigs fiasco then its very plausible. What was the end game? Looks to me like the goal was to convince the public to support a war in Cuba if need be. Whip the public into a blood thirsty frenzy. Are these the same a black flag luciferian new world order doctrines? Or propaganda to support a shift in foriegn policy to secure our interests? Who wins?

I did not write the article, nor intend for this to be a witch hunt on Playa2. Its a NY Times article, a mainstream publication just written. Not alternative press kind of stuff.

The only real truth you're gonna get involved in real life conspiracies is from the alternative news. Who do you think owns the American media ?

Look More stuff happens behind the scenes than you want to think and that's ok (your opinion., but we are now in deep in 2013.

Sandy Hook was another way to whip up a frenzy to the American for gun control, no proof the kid killed his mom or himself, you believed what they told you again just like Colorado theater.

People want to make you and I into slaves dependent on them for everything one day , they already have all the money and bailed out their buddies on Wall ST and the Car Industry. Wake up you are still asleep.

There will be war in our streets one day(don't know when_ , I don't know how you think otherwise if you did your homework.

If people don't voluntarily give up their weapons , it will be a MAJOR false flag that will warrant them to take guns away from American Citizens. Keep closing your eyes, the writing has been on the wall for awhile now. Go back to watching faux news and HLN and CNN, they want to tell you the truth. 40 YRS before the truth came out about operation northwoods, but you want things explained and proven to you in one week. SMH

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5/22/2013  4:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2013  4:27 PM
playa2 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:ok but we must be careful: if you read blindly then you will automatically dismiss all 'conspiracy' theories,

you must realize that conspiracies DO exist, this is not the same as saying that all conspiracies are true,

I agree!

I don't doubt there are, or have been "conspiracy's" in history. That does not mean they are as epidemic as some might want to believe.

There are some that are valid, and as the article said, belief in one does not make them all as such.

The NY times has more journalistic credibility than any non mainstream website. Not that I believe everything I read, but this article quotes its sources and does not get into "whose right, whose wrong" about the subject. Just the thinking behind it.

The Sandy Hook conspiracy was flat out offensive. It was a bad example of textbook "If you can't explain it in the first few hours then it must be evil".

Regarding Cuba? Well if you take that story and combine it with the Bay of Pigs fiasco then its very plausible. What was the end game? Looks to me like the goal was to convince the public to support a war in Cuba if need be. Whip the public into a blood thirsty frenzy. Are these the same a black flag luciferian new world order doctrines? Or propaganda to support a shift in foriegn policy to secure our interests? Who wins?

I did not write the article, nor intend for this to be a witch hunt on Playa2. Its a NY Times article, a mainstream publication just written. Not alternative press kind of stuff.

The only real truth you're gonna get involved in real life conspiracies is from the alternative news. Who do you think owns the American media ?

Look More stuff happens behind the scenes than you want to think and that's ok (your opinion., but we are now in deep in 2013.

Sandy Hook was another way to whip up a frenzy to the American for gun control, no proof the kid killed his mom or himself, you believed what they told you again just like Colorado theater.

People want to make you and I into slaves dependent on them for everything one day , they already have all the money and bailed out their buddies on Wall ST and the Car Industry. Wake up you are still asleep.

There will be war in our streets one day(don't know when_ , I don't know how you think otherwise if you did your homework.

If people don't voluntarily give up their weapons , it will be a MAJOR false flag that will warrant them to take guns away from American Citizens. Keep closing your eyes, the writing has been on the wall for awhile now. Go back to watching faux news and HLN and CNN, they want to tell you the truth. 40 YRS before the truth came out about operation northwoods, but you want things explained and proven to you in one week. SMH

Hours after Sandy Hook Alex Jones was crying about the black flag. Same for Boston.

Seems like more guns get sold then taken away when these things happen. Columbine was a long time ago. I think more guns now then back then. I think the conspiracy is the gun companies are making a killing feeding the fear and selling more and more. Seems to me the more guns we have we'll just kill ourselves then have to wait for Marshall law to take hold. Got 4 year olds shooting their moms now? Is Barney telling kids to show their mommies?

Basically, who would be enforcing marshall law? I think you need drones, you know, like the from the future? I think most police, military and national guard are regular people. They going to start locking up and shooting with their friends? family? neighbors?

People want to make you and I into slaves dependent on them for everything one day , they already have all the money and bailed out their buddies on Wall ST and the Car Industry. Wake up you are still asleep.

If we all enslaved, encamped, or dead, why would we need car companies? Whose going to drive them? If they have all the money, why will then even need money?

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5/22/2013  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/22/2013  5:58 PM
Did you know there are international forces on our soil ? They don't care about my family or your family. The people who harm Americans will come from outside the country alongside some gun ho military personnel(American Mercenary types).


Sandy Hook was a hoax this was the guy exposing everything, I don't even look at Alex Jones and you continually act as if that's my source of information

He is lucky that they didn't kill him instead. A "little accident". I think they are using his arrest as an example of what will happen to anybody else who decides to find out too much.

Scotty Walker who called Wayne Carver the coroner for Sandy Hook was arrested.

The only threat that he made was that he was going to keep calling back so that he could talk to Wayne Carver. That's it!

So it looks like anyone who is searching and digging for the truth...is getting arrested.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
NY times article.....IMPORTANT

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