Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Well Melo what did you want? You are one of my favorite players but you should have known that trading for you and giving up draft picks would destroy you chances for a championship.I new that you couldn't and wouldn't play with the Linsanity thing but if you wanted Lin back all you had to say is Dolan bring him back. Then find a way to play together. I bet you never played so hard in all your life than this season.The Nuggets seem so far to be the winners but they are about as far as they can go and they are not going to the finals. It's too late now and in my opinion we will have to rebuild. Now another big mistake was fools gold. That is bringing in Amare for 100 million. We should have given him 3 years with an opt out on both sides. The third year at 15 million. The option years at 15 million Total of 75 million. Walsh he blew up the teams for nothing but cap space and no LeBron. I do believe that the LeBron that you see in Miami today would not have been the same lebron in New York. New York is a tough town to play in.
Now we are stuck with the Amare contract and now Melo must decide what does he want? Oh I believe Melo will get a ring if he really wants one but we must get rid of Woody and his sidekick JR Smith. Smith is not a smart player. He is a pot luck player. And won't share the ball. Novak is a big disappointment and my question is why can't we defend 3 point shooters like other team defend us. I really think that Woody's defences and that criss crossing defense makes an old team like ours more tired. We have no shooters forget the defense lack of you still have to make shots. And what makes felton think he's a shooter he is taking shots like he think he is Wade. I've come to the conclusion that it is nothing we can really do. We are stuck. Well Melo you took the money and so did Amare and so did Chandler and Novak I'm not saying you should not have but if you really want a ring in todays NBA since the LeBron, Wade and Bosh deal you will have to sacrifice point blank. Our only hope is to go way over the cape for two season and pray that Amare comes back.

Melo is no different from Mike Danphoney who took the Money from Dolan, when he could have coached in Chicago. Larry Brown did the same thing.Amare knew no other team would pay him that kind of money with his physical condition being so fragile. Chandler knew he made out like a bandit as a defensive role player with no offensive game in the post at 7ft. Let's say are owner(Jimmy Dolan) goal is to be controversial it sells just like sex.

Melo was never coming here or anywhere without an extension.

He had leverage because he had an opt out.
Denver had Leverage because they had his rights.
Knuggs had a deal with Nets and knicks had to better it.
Melo is not stupid.
Denver is not stupid.
Dolan wanted a star. They are expensive.
Denver wants a running team. MDA wanted a running team. Dolan wanted Melo.
You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, you just might find. YOu get what you need.

jrodmc wrote:This is New York. We don't rebuild. We scrap and starphucque. This is not Denver. This is not Houston. And this surely ain't OKC.

We are sophisticated, we are impatient, and we've forgotten more basketball than the players who play and the coaches who coach and the GM's who actually GM. Despite fabulously humble posts like the one seen in my sig line. Don't even bring up the billionaire owners who...own.

Once every 20 years or so, we draft a Willis or a Ewing. The rest of the time we draft Kenny Skywalker and Johnny Wallace. Please spare me your sudden case of DLee love, that's been way overdone and is 4 years too late.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:This is New York. We don't rebuild. We scrap and starphucque. This is not Denver. This is not Houston. And this surely ain't OKC.

We are sophisticated, we are impatient, and we've forgotten more basketball than the players who play and the coaches who coach and the GM's who actually GM. Despite fabulously humble posts like the one seen in my sig line. Don't even bring up the billionaire owners who...own.

Once every 20 years or so, we draft a Willis or a Ewing. The rest of the time we draft Kenny Skywalker and Johnny Wallace. Please spare me your sudden case of DLee love, that's been way overdone and is 4 years too late.

Many forget the pain Seattle/OKC had to go thru to build. They tanked for two reasons: rebuild and leave for OKC. Dirty business.

They also needed luck that Portland takes Oden leaving Durant.

JRODMC is correct in the "rebuilding" can't be done in the mecca. I'll bring up the Nets because its a bit closer to home (not for conspiracy purpose)because they are doing an interesting job.

They don't draft Lillard beacuse they got Williams. They got Joe Johnson because Joe has a terrible contract but got him for spare parts. They still have assets on the bench, some picks and a good euro stashed.

The biggest asset they have is BroPez (Nalod was harping him while smug knick fans were blowing him off)who is a top 5 center these days and if Dwight wants to leave is a decent asset to use in sign and trade.

The pick was kept and developed into an asset. Thats why Nets are a "good" team. Not great, just good. They went from awful to good in one year.

We had Dlee, we had Gallo, we had Chandler and there is no reason why we could not have weaved them into a longer term plan or utilized them in other deals.

We went all in for Melo. Its a financial necessity to keep the garden buzzing. Its the same reason why they create crap broadway shows. Put a star in it and financially it does well. People love the the hype. The quality does not have to be there.

"Potential" don't sell tickets in NY does it?

potential may not sell tickets but at least rebuilding the right way ensures that we weed out the wrong sort of fans. it's the wrong sort of fan who wants to be merely entertained and allegedly puts pressure on dolan to never start from scratch. funny, we were at point zero in november 2010.

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:This is New York. We don't rebuild. We scrap and starphucque. This is not Denver. This is not Houston. And this surely ain't OKC.

We are sophisticated, we are impatient, and we've forgotten more basketball than the players who play and the coaches who coach and the GM's who actually GM. Despite fabulously humble posts like the one seen in my sig line. Don't even bring up the billionaire owners who...own.

Once every 20 years or so, we draft a Willis or a Ewing. The rest of the time we draft Kenny Skywalker and Johnny Wallace. Please spare me your sudden case of DLee love, that's been way overdone and is 4 years too late.

Many forget the pain Seattle/OKC had to go thru to build. They tanked for two reasons: rebuild and leave for OKC. Dirty business.

They also needed luck that Portland takes Oden leaving Durant.

JRODMC is correct in the "rebuilding" can't be done in the mecca. I'll bring up the Nets because its a bit closer to home (not for conspiracy purpose)because they are doing an interesting job.

They don't draft Lillard beacuse they got Williams. They got Joe Johnson because Joe has a terrible contract but got him for spare parts. They still have assets on the bench, some picks and a good euro stashed.

The biggest asset they have is BroPez (Nalod was harping him while smug knick fans were blowing him off)who is a top 5 center these days and if Dwight wants to leave is a decent asset to use in sign and trade.

The pick was kept and developed into an asset. Thats why Nets are a "good" team. Not great, just good. They went from awful to good in one year.

We had Dlee, we had Gallo, we had Chandler and there is no reason why we could not have weaved them into a longer term plan or utilized them in other deals.

We went all in for Melo. Its a financial necessity to keep the garden buzzing. Its the same reason why they create crap broadway shows. Put a star in it and financially it does well. People love the the hype. The quality does not have to be there.

"Potential" don't sell tickets in NY does it?

potential may not sell tickets but at least rebuilding the right way ensures that we weed out the wrong sort of fans. it's the wrong sort of fan who wants to be merely entertained and allegedly puts pressure on dolan to never start from scratch. funny, we were at point zero in november 2010.

Go back to the year Layden was fired. The garden was dead. We were still a year from clearing out expirings and we had some picks we had collected. They were booing.

Dolan fires Layden mid year. Who does that? Knicks had the Marbury deal on the table and it was Isiah who pulled the trigger.

Back to Layden and the dead garden. We were licking out wounds from the Dice disaster but there were no "Panic" deals. No starphucing and no panic deals.

Then the Starphuch of all starphuchs Isiah creates a huge buzz. The payroll reaches epic proportions and the loss totals actually start to go up. Never before in pro sports had anyone accumulated such payroll and recieved so little in return! This in the face of some of the worst malcontent running the team and a higly public sexual harassment suit! Isiah was rumored to be racist toward white ticket buyers and no if any coorperations pushed back to sexual harassment charges and guilt!!

But the sell outs continued.

So ask yourself if your the owner of the team define succeess?

Knicks compete with 3 hockey teams, 2 pro football teams, prosoccer, 2 MLB baseball teams, the Nets, and broadway for the entertainment dollar!

dk7th wrote:this sums up the dolan/melo nexus for me

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rofl...

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

JamesLin wrote:I'm not quite sure if you got the priority right, but..

Jimmy Dol made the big mistake, nobody else did. Melo got the money he wanted, and the hometown city he wanted. No mistake there. Walsh was rebuilding our team and the results? Just look at the Nuggets now, they're 1-2 superstars away from contention and they sure got the cap space for it next year. LeBron didn't come to the Knicks most likely because Delonte allegedly screwed his mom constantly (NY Post), and I doubt Walsh could stop that. There is nothing we can really do. Jimmy Dol already screwed us up for the next 3 years. Not sure what you really are trying to say... get rid of Jimmy Dol? Yes, you got that right, and just say it.

not sure what walsh had to do with this mess. this was all the doing of carmelo and James dolan.. Walsh from what I can remember was hesitant on this trade because it was too costly. Walsh always said.. " a player may be good at one price, but not at another".. He is no fool. he understood that carmelo was not good for us at that price.. So what did carmelo do? he asks to meet with the idiot dolan, who threw walsh to the side. I mean lets not be silly here.. walsh had nothing to do with this union... Carmelo got what he wanted.. Money and to play in NY.. winning really doesn't matter when it comes to guys like dolan and carmelo.. they have both proven that....

Threads like this crack me up.. as some of us so called haters, didn't like the trade from the start for various reasons.. but instead we were called gallo lovers, haters, etc...

All we got in this trade was Denvers problem.. Yes, carmelo was Denver's problem and they did a masterful job unloading it for max value... They are not 1-2 superstars away from contention, they are in contention now.. I don't get it with this "superstar away" stuff.. they are winning now.. they are one of the best teams in the league.... as a team, they are performing on a superstar level and that is all that matters....

Donnie Walsh laid the plans and supplied the murder weapon. He is an accomplice.

really? he laid the plans to this mess? really? where where you the past few years? this can't be your honest assessment of the mess we are in...

Who traded away decent players for nothing, while all went on to being productive elsewhere (mainly Z-Bo Crawford and Lee)

Who gave Amare 40 million of uninsured dollars more than his home team?

What happened to our 2012 pick?

And yes Donnie iniated the Melo trade no matter who finished it, he started it.