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3/4/2013  1:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  3:20 PM
Oh The Parallel Of These Two Teams And How They Were Similar and Yet Oh So Different


Summer of 2010 Knicks had waited such a long time to give their fan base a good product. They toiled for yrs in particular 2yrs straight of throwaway seasons all-in for this summer. After the dust settled ended up with a $100mil suspect Power Forward Max Player and a barely above average Point Guard in free agency. We also sign this foreign prospect at center with loads of potential. They represented changed times, the New Era....Knicks Are Back


We got our Max Cat

We got our Starting Point Guard

We got a Center


We also had nice supplementary pieces in the fold..... young players(Chandler, Fields, Douglas, Randolph, Mozgov, Gallo, Walker). It was a season to be excited about, we started to get some national recognition and there was lots of potential there. We also had Cap Space coming to us the following season. As the season got under way we started out somewhat slow new players had to get used to their new digs and teammates, there was a small learning curve here.

Our $100mil Max guy didn't quite endear himself to the young guys publicly he told them......

"I'm Not Used To Losing" and that "Some in the locker room may be comfortable with it since there hasn't been a lot of winning going on the past couple seasons."

Some Knick fans lapped that up as leadership but I on the other looked at it as alienating himself from his teammates. Our coach also said he would make no concessions for the young players sacrificing Amar'e and Felton's opportunity to win. Once again another Epic blunder of creating a divide within a team. This set the tone of a trade sacrifice. Other teams shaped the Eastern Conference landscape they landed some big fish too, so we had to contend with the new competitive settings.

In the background there was very small chatter that players like CP3/Howard/Melo may not stick with their respective teams long but nothing concrete at season's begin more speculative type stuff.

After our slow start come end of November we pick up our play(credit was given to Amar'e for poppin off at the mouth towards the youngans) and it carried over to the middle of December, at one point 16-9. You know very close to 19-6. We freshly handled the Melo led Nuggets. Chandler dropped 27pts Gallo 16pts, and Fields had 18pts....Melo had his usual chucker type game 27fga to score 31pts Our young guys were playing well...Chandler and Gallo were both 15/5, Fields was amongst the Top Rookie Of The Year candidates leading all guards in rebounding at one point and even the reclaimed project in Purple Drank was getting in on things. Amar'e was an early MVP candidate and Felton a potential All-Star honor

Then the proverbial shoe dropped! Melo and his camp made it known they officially weren't going to sign an extension in Denver and he had a very short list of teams he wanted to play for if he could be traded this season.....essentially us and a small puncher's chance Nets.

So what do we do, WE PANIC and start wondering what packages the Nets are presenting, info constantly being leaked in the press Nets say they're close to a deal, Denver refusing to deal with us directly, Walsh pouting in the press about it(saying he doesn't think they value our guys) but then goes on to say he likes the young players we have and is fine keeping them beyond the season. Nets continue to flip-slop back and forth with Denver. Then Melo flip-flops and says there's a chance he'll re-sign/sign. All the while our play started to dip...Gallo got injured Amar'e and Felton were wearing down some because of coach jack hammering them into the ground.

The Nets become irritated and flustered with Denver's demands...Janurary rolls around Gallo returns from injury and then Chandler erupts on the Spurs things are looking good. Then the Nuggets keep picking at the Nets, more rumors about a deal getting closer. Purple Drank erupts for like the gang of 3s against Phx things are looking like they're taking a turn for the better but we are really panicing about the Denver situation. Walsh finally makes contact with them and publicly admits Denver may be asking for too much. Our young players look a little shook, their play is pedestrian for a few gms...Amar'e once again publicly says that "They should suck it up and realize trade/trade rumors are part of the business"....once again poor leadership. We're essentially playing .500 basketball at this point recently coming off a 6gm losing streak and we're 22-21. Melo doesn't think the Knicks want to trade for him publicly admits it... All-Star break rolls around and Dolan makes sure they have a face-to-face about a possible trade and about a week later Massai completes one of the most masterful heist jobs in all of sports where a deal is agreed to and then says hey oh btw we want Mozgov too otherwise deals off and of course we oblige....

(Gallo/Chandler/Randolph/Mozgov/Felton/Curry 2014 1st/2016 1st(swap)/2012 2nd,/2013 2nd/waive Brewer)

We were 28-26 when traded consummated. Stripped us of almost every valuable assets we had at present and for the future, keeping in mind we already given up so many valuable past future assets to gain 2010 cap space and for free agent signings that proved to be a complete ATROCITIC total waste.

Now let's move on to the Rockets

They toiled for a few yrs trying to move on past the McGrady/Yao era, they were actually extremely competitive just couldn't hang out in the tough Western Conference. I believe they put together 3 winning season post era not 2 throwaway seasons in free pass fashion like we did.

Anyway Morey decided I probably will have a tough time luring free agents here so what I must do is stockpile talent/assets and either maintain and/or increase those values in effort to trade for FOUNDATIONAL PIECES should they become available. I also must naturally preserves cap space.

So their chance comes 2012-2013


He goes after RFAs or soon to be..... low risk high reward type of approach


He gets an average starting Point Guard

He gets a well above average Starting Center

He gets an All-Star Caliber starting Shooting Guard(possible Top 5 player at this point)


Rockets Are Back and much like us.....had nice supplementary pieces in the fold(Parsons/Patterson/Morris/Lamb/Jones/White/Montie) but he didn't throw all of those at OKC in effort to land Harden. He didn't panic wondering if Presti would start combing the league discussing other deals for Harden, he didn't move on to Orlando and clean out all of what was in his cupboards for D-12, he didn't call up the Clippers just throwing offers out there seeing what sticks on the wall for CP3. No he contacted Presti early in the summer told him what he'd be willing to offer if they couldn't get an extension done and boom DONE DA DA!!!! He also managed to sign free agents something once again he probably felt would be difficult but not impossible to do. Signing assets of value turning them into something more valuable, and clearing up more cap space...


Now the season get sunder way....they start kind off slow very up and down with their play .500 or below ball...then they start playing better end of November to about late December...sound familiar? They hit a little snag and pick things back up in January sound familiar? Then all this Lakers drama has been taking place in their very own conference. Dwight Howard's camp publicly admits Houston could be an attractive destination in free agency. He is beefing with Kobe and D'Antoni over trivial stuff. Did Morey got overly anxious and say well it's mid January and now my team is starting to hit a brick wall we're sitting in the 8th hole....Lakers are in strife.... let me offer Kuptchak......


Asik/Parsons/Morris/Jones/Patterson/Aldrich/2013 1st/2015 1st/ and a couple 2nd rounders and if they ask for Greg Smith then so be it? NO!


He preferred for his team to weather the storm.....while he tinkered elsewhere which led to him landing a Top 5 Lottery Pick from the past summer's draft. Every since being 22-21 as they had lost 7gms in a row.....Morey stayed the course and when he made that trade the Rockets were 29-26....sound familiar? As of the here and now they are 33-28 just a half game back of the 6th seed.

So he manages to acquire(trade) assets with value, build their value, flip them into something more valuable, sign assets(free agents) of value build their value, flip more remaining assets(from trades) of value into something more valuable, and clear up more cap space...


Should they remain a Playoff team how do you think the league will perceive the value of Lin/Asik/Parsons/Montie/Robinson....I can tell you what they will be coming to Morey with ridiculous offers that's what.


That's how you operate as a franchise, you stay the course.... you build your value and brand not solely based on some singular entity(player) but the TEAM in general and you make it attractive to all comers and onlookers. For those of you who think this is about Gallo or any 1 singular young talent back then get over yourself...Here's a hypothetical going back to 2010 let use Gallo for this example to parallel a move Morey made recently. I was for moving any young piece if it could facilitate something greater down the road...So trading Gallo for Marcus Thornton and 1st from the Kings would have sufficed for me. Thornton would have become our starting 2 guard.....underzised yeah but so what we're playing a Brontosaurus at 2 guard now and we think we're CONTENDERS to knock off the Heat. Morey flipped Chase Buddinger a 2nd round 2009 44 pick into a 2012 lottery 1st pick 18(which btw landed Terrence Jones which btw provided another asset, to then make Lamb available.... which btw helped land Harden).


GET IT!

GOT IT!

WELL DIS GON BE.....GOOD!


Morey is playing Chess these other GMs are playing Go Fish they don't even know what Checkers is. Here we see the difference in what we do and what a very competent front office does.

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3/4/2013  1:13 PM
so long?

C'mon!

I do enough reading at work and need these short and sweet.

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3/4/2013  1:17 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:so long?

C'mon!

I do enough reading at work and need these short and sweet.

It's worth the read I wouldn't have posted such a long winded post if it wasn't

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3/4/2013  1:18 PM
What is this ****???

Looks a manifesto, how long you been sitting **** Anderson Cooper???

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3/4/2013  1:30 PM
good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....


It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/4/2013  1:34 PM
tkf wrote:good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....


It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....

Master suck up himself

My new nicknames for you:

Good work 3G4G
Good work DK

I would love to one day see them write that about you. Maybe today perhaps?

LOL

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3/4/2013  1:40 PM
Wow. Reasons to go follow the Rockets. Thankfully, you put New York Knicks in the thread title.
Great.

I was really tired of hearing how great the Nuggets are.

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3/4/2013  1:44 PM
jrodmc wrote:Wow. Reasons to go follow the Rockets. Thankfully, you put New York Knicks in the thread title.
Great.

I was really tired of hearing how great the Nuggets are.


you catch back up on the Nuggs in the playoffs when they are still playing after Melo has shot us out of round 1 and there are no Knick games to watch. No worries, you can catch up later
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3/4/2013  1:54 PM
This why I was happy when Houston (unlike the Knicks) didn’t panic and trade some of their young players and picks for a more experience power forward to try to secure the 8 spot in the west at the trading dateline.
Why give up their assets now, when they will have cap space to sign the player in the offseason anyway? And still maintain their picks.
GREAT READ MAN, THANKS.
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3/4/2013  1:56 PM
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow. Reasons to go follow the Rockets. Thankfully, you put New York Knicks in the thread title.
Great.

I was really tired of hearing how great the Nuggets are.


you catch back up on the Nuggs in the playoffs when they are still playing after Melo has shot us out of round 1 and there are no Knick games to watch. No worries, you can catch up later

Good work, fish. Was worried there were only Rockets fans in this thread.

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3/4/2013  2:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  3:12 PM
tkf wrote:good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....


It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....


Good work on the reply bro....lolmnop!!!!


I do remember your posts a couple yrs back saying Morey did not have to make a move. Fans were saying how he would do anything and everything to land a Carmelo type talent. While yes he wanted a "FOUNDATIONAL PIECE" he was not going to offer the Houston Franchise and then call up Jerry Jones and ask him if he could float Texas Stadium to him in a trade for Dwight Howard.

Even when Melo was available.....you look at how Massai and Morey operate those 2 would never get a deal done of that magnitude together because as one would bend over the other gm would have to bend over...therefore no deal. They could probably get small deals done together though. If you look at Morey's past 10-12 trade transactions show me desperation and show me where he took a major L?

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3/4/2013  2:10 PM
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Wow. Reasons to go follow the Rockets. Thankfully, you put New York Knicks in the thread title.
Great.

I was really tired of hearing how great the Nuggets are.


you catch back up on the Nuggs in the playoffs when they are still playing after Melo has shot us out of round 1 and there are no Knick games to watch. No worries, you can catch up later

Good work, fish. Was worried there were only Rockets fans in this thread.

Did you catch Illson dropping 35 on OKC?

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Then it's decided- lets change this website title to Ultimaterockets.com!
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mrKnickShot wrote:
tkf wrote:good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....


It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....

Master suck up himself

My new nicknames for you:

Good work 3G4G
Good work DK

I would love to one day see them write that about you. Maybe today perhaps?

LOL

eh... I guess you don't get the drift..... there are other ways to deal with your personal attacks and baiting.... I will just do so..

A woman scorned I guess...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/4/2013  2:28 PM
3G4G wrote:
tkf wrote:good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....


It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....


Good work on the reply bro....lolmnop!!!!


I do remember you posts a couple yrs back saying Morey did not have to make a move. Fans were saying how he would do anything and everything to land a Carmelo type talent. While yes he wanted a "FOUNDATIONAL PIECE" he was not going to offer the Houston Franchise and then call up Jerry Jones and ask him if he could float Texas Stadium to him in a trade for Dwight Howard.

Even when Melo was available and you look at how Massai and Morey operate those 2 would never get a deal done of that magnitude because as one would bend over and the other gm would have to bend over...therefore no deal. They could probably get small deals done together though. If you look at Morey's past 10-12 trade transactions show me desperation and show me where he took a major L?

thanks bro.. as I said, I thought it was a crock when some were saying morey was ready to "bend over" for the nuggs in order to get carmelo.. LOL.. really? Morey doesn't have a history of bending over for anyone, and as we can see uri is making a history of bending people over if you are going to take their players.... so if morey was willing to bend over, why didn't uri take advantage.. i call that BS.... LOL

Morey was wanting a franchise talent, but not at the expense of the franchise, and he got that, a potential true franchise talent, and Person, on and off the court.. mission accomplished...

morey as you said, just doesn't seem to take Losses in deals..... I don't care who he is looking to get...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/4/2013  2:37 PM
Let's see where the Rockets are next year and the year after before we call what Morey has done a complete success. If they get another piece like Dwight, Josh Smith or someone else I think they could be scary good as long as Lin keeps progressing.

But as constituted they're not close to a contender. If I'm Morey I'm praying Lin keeps it up so you have him as a trade chip. Houston has a ton of assets they could move for someone like Dwight in a S&T, Chris Paul in a S&T if he doesn't want to stay in LA, etc.

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3/4/2013  2:42 PM
It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong.
Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

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3/4/2013  2:42 PM
tkf wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
tkf wrote:good work bro.. Good Detailed work.. A few things I really took note of..

Knicks situation was not as bad as some fans made it out to be. We had amare, a lot of young talent and picks. Stay the course, be smart with the assets and deal from a position of strength.... we got desperate and Denver knew that, they then proceeded to kick our teeth in on that trade.

Houston on the other hand, was patient. I kept telling people who were saying that morey had to do something now, that He didn't have to do anything now.. He could make a deal at any point with the assets he had... so what did morey do? He waited and instead of taking a half court hook shot with 20 seconds left on the shot clock.. He got an allyoop dunk, after running the shot clock down, making the other team defend and then getting an easy shot....


It is amazing to see how two franchises handled two similar situations so differently.... The franchise with all the money, the glitz and glamour of NYC, MSG, celebrity row, access to big media market, huge fan base, seemed to operate like a small market franchise who lacked the experience to negotiate with power... while the smaller market Houston franchise and add Denver in as well, seemed to act as if they were the big kahuna, sitting at the table with all the chips.....

Walsh wasn't perfect, but he was patient, and had dolan let him do his job... Carmelo would have been In either Denver or NJ and the knicks would IMO have a much brighter present and future.... but hey.. whatever....

Master suck up himself

My new nicknames for you:

Good work 3G4G
Good work DK

I would love to one day see them write that about you. Maybe today perhaps?

LOL

eh... I guess you don't get the drift..... there are other ways to deal with your personal attacks and baiting.... I will just do so..

A woman scorned I guess...

TKF, it would be my honor to be on your personal ignore list. PLEASE!!!

Talk about personal attacks! Do you even see or read your posts? Even when someone wants to engage in a mature argument with you, you are always acting like a jackazz - grow up and purchase some class.

As I have said numerous times when people try to say that you and DK are one of the same, NOT!!

He can have a dissenting opinion but actually engage in a respectable argument. Trust me, he does not need you as a tag teammate as you so obviously need him.

Man ... this is too easy!

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3/4/2013  2:55 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:It is worth noting that Morey was mentored by Walsh. Walsh was a patient guy and he really turned this team around (as he is now doing in Indiana, though he walked into a great situation there). Walsh was going in a great direction and I really really wonder what this team would be right now had he "stayed".

I do think we did the Melo deal all wrong, but I also think Melo did the Melo deal all wrong.
Both parties are to blame, but not Walsh, this was a Dolan deal, clearly.

We have a very good team IF we can get past the injuries. But, if Melo had just come here and we still had Lin along with some key guys in the trade (Gallo - would be our #2, Chandler - injured, but could be a #2 also, Moz - good big body, picks) right now, we might have the strongest team in the NBA with the deepest bench. We might have even had Harden on this team. Either way, we would have a GREAT #2 in Gallo which right now we have who? We don't have a #2 in the starting lineup.

I do like our team, but I think it is a fraction of what it could have been. It has been a painful year for all kinds of Knick fans but the real worry comes in the postseason. This postseason is make or break, straw that breaks the camels back, etc. This is basically our year, maybe if cards fall the right way we can pick up some good players next year. But, we still need a great #2 and we are capped out.

People forget that we probably wouldn't have been able to keep Gallo and Wilson Chandler as well as get Tyson Chandler. I agree that if Melo would've come here as a free agent it would've been better, but then you get into the discussion on how many people would actually leave all that money on the table Melo would've had to if he didn't get the extension.

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3/4/2013  3:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/4/2013  3:25 PM
MSG3 wrote:Let's see where the Rockets are next year and the year after before we call what Morey has done a complete success. If they get another piece like Dwight, Josh Smith or someone else I think they could be scary good as long as Lin keeps progressing.

But as constituted they're not close to a contender. If I'm Morey I'm praying Lin keeps it up so you have him as a trade chip. Houston has a ton of assets they could move for someone like Dwight in a S&T, Chris Paul in a S&T if he doesn't want to stay in LA, etc.

What GM builds a complete CONTENDER in 1 off-season? Really what you want is to become like the Dallas Mavericks or if possible Spurs where you're a lock to win 50gms+/yr(like a decade or more) advance deep into the playoffs and have maybe multiple shots at winning it all. It's not to go all in for a 1-3yr window and then bottom the blank out with nothing for show.

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