You think there is actually validity to this or is it a myth created by the talking heads in the media to bring the team down, sell papers and ratings?

Personally I don't think the 3 of them ever saw adaquate time together. Amare was a shell of his former self last year with the back injury. Clearly his knees are ok for now if they keep his minutes under 30.

Knicks are not beating the Heat with one guy shooting over 45% in the starting lineup. We will be down 20 before Before JR and Amare step on the court and the series will end in 4-5 games again. Same with the Bulls and Pacers. They will collapse on Melo while Kidd and co brick open shots. On the other end they will overpower Melo with their size and physical play leading to Melo either not defending or picking up fouls. Not good

Start building chemistry now before its too late. Start:
Tyson
Amare(under 30mins)
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Yes, The Answer Man had his doubts, having witnessed the failed marriage of Spencer Haywood and Bob McAdoo. As time has revealed, and as you state, Carmelo and Amar'e just needed some quality time together.

If Amare is indeed on a pitch count, Mike Woodson has chosen to carefully ration minutes for Stoudemire from the bench. Those who insist this is a doomed strategy have little recollection of the outcry over playing Antonio McDyess too many minutes in the pre season. Woodson is choosing to be cautious. Wise move. Why?

Here are three reasons to be cool:

1. March is a killer month. Amare as a starter would be toast by St Patrick's Day. Guaranteed.

2. There are two more months of important basketball to resolve rotations. No need to rush into anything.

3. The playoffs are indeed, Win or Go Home. The second week of Jazz Fess ("sho you right!") in May is generally right around the end of the first round. We need Amare at peak capacity in May, not needing days to recover.

I also like how staggering their minutes gives each of them the opportunity get into a rhythm.

gunsnewing wrote:If those 2 guys can't play together because defenses can pack the paint and close out on the 3's quicker then why did Walsh & Dolan go after a SF/PF when he had a PF in Amare. Or were they expecting Amare to play Center for the rest of his career? Which the Knicks said they did not want and was the reason why they were developing Mozgov.

You think there is actually validity to this or is it a myth created by the talking heads in the media to bring the team down, sell papers and ratings?

Personally I don't think the 3 of them ever saw adaquate time together. Amare was a shell of his former self last year with the back injury. Clearly his knees are ok for now if they keep his minutes under 30.

Knicks are not beating the Heat with one guy shooting over 45% in the starting lineup. We will be down 20 before Before JR and Amare step on the court and the series will end in 4-5 games again. Same with the Bulls and Pacers. They will collapse on Melo while Kidd and co brick open shots. On the other end they will overpower Melo with their size and physical play leading to Melo either not defending or picking up fouls. Not good

Start building chemistry now before its too late. Start:
Tyson
Amare(under 30mins)
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Dolan wanted Melo and they cleared the cupboards to get him so D'Antoni and Woodson had to shoehorn them both in the lineup. you can't justify having a 60 million dollar player come off the bench so it was kind of "convenient" that STAT got injured. whether or not they can play together, STAT's defense is always going to be a liability—which is going to hurt the knicks in the playoffs.

SlimChin - stop getting hung up on what someone else makes. Who died and made you Marc Berman?

Mike Woodson's job is to devise a way to get the most out of his players. Not measure their paychecks.

If Stat's defense is deficient, big deal. That is why you (hopefully) have a Marcus Camby for his expert weakside assistance.

It ain't your money.

tkf wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If those 2 guys can't play together because defenses can pack the paint and close out on the 3's quicker then why did Walsh & Dolan go after a SF/PF when he had a PF in Amare. Or were they expecting Amare to play Center for the rest of his career? Which the Knicks said they did not want and was the reason why they were developing Mozgov.

You think there is actually validity to this or is it a myth created by the talking heads in the media to bring the team down, sell papers and ratings?

Personally I don't think the 3 of them ever saw adaquate time together. Amare was a shell of his former self last year with the back injury. Clearly his knees are ok for now if they keep his minutes under 30.

Knicks are not beating the Heat with one guy shooting over 45% in the starting lineup. We will be down 20 before Before JR and Amare step on the court and the series will end in 4-5 games again. Same with the Bulls and Pacers. They will collapse on Melo while Kidd and co brick open shots. On the other end they will overpower Melo with their size and physical play leading to Melo either not defending or picking up fouls. Not good

Start building chemistry now before its too late. Start:
Tyson
Amare(under 30mins)
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Dolan wanted Melo and they cleared the cupboards to get him so D'Antoni and Woodson had to shoehorn them both in the lineup. you can't justify having a 60 million dollar player come off the bench so it was kind of "convenient" that STAT got injured. whether or not they can play together, STAT's defense is always going to be a liability—which is going to hurt the knicks in the playoffs.

i KNOW people really want them to work, but sometimes things just don't mix... amare and carmelo are both poor defenders and passers... can't have two guys who touch the ball that much, who play that many minutes be that poor in both areas.... plain and simple...

That's why you need a very good PG that can create and distribute. Without that piece then this duo can't work. Just too many warts.

SlimChin - Amar'e is not "benched". When one is "benched" one is restricted to garbage time. Maybe. Stoudemire is being deployed with forethought, consideration of his medical history and the wisdom of a head coach who has played at the NBA level.

Marcus Camby will return when he is ready.

Are you also moaning about the length of Derrick Rose's recovery?

the team before february 2011 was not broke so why try to fix it?

knicks lack youth, have injuries, and therefore lack depth. are these dudes going to have anything but fumes to run on come playoff time?

dk7th wrote:if anyone claims it was a mistake to acquire stoudemire as a free agent requiring only cash, then how can acquiring carmelo anthony-- through a team-gutting trade AND paying max money-- not simply compound the problem, making it impossible for the knicks to truly contend? tkf is right: you have two players with the exact same flaws and who occupy the same space on the floor. they are redundant and the team continues to have a hard time gelling.

the team before february 2011 was not broke so why try to fix it?

knicks lack youth, have injuries, and therefore lack depth. are these dudes going to have anything but fumes to run on come playoff time?

exactly, and for fans to complain about injuries with this team is like buying a 10 year old car with 350k miles on it and complaining about repair problems.. really? like you didn't expect a car with almost a half a million miles to have some issues?

I mean if anyone in here is over 35 years old you understand how hard it is to stay in peak shape.. I work out every day and when I play ball with my son, I need two days recovery.. forget these guys playing at the pro level and I don't care how good of an athlete they were, time is a mother... when you are 39, 40 and you are being counted on to play heavy minutes or a big part in a rotation, that team is taking a huge risk... the knicks have 3 guys nearing that age that they counted on, and now just signed kenyon who has 50 year old knees..... I just don't get what this team has done the past few years..

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

dk7th wrote:if anyone claims it was a mistake to acquire stoudemire as a free agent requiring only cash, then how can acquiring carmelo anthony-- through a team-gutting trade AND paying max money-- not simply compound the problem, making it impossible for the knicks to truly contend? tkf is right: you have two players with the exact same flaws and who occupy the same space on the floor. they are redundant and the team continues to have a hard time gelling.

the team before february 2011 was not broke so why try to fix it?

knicks lack youth, have injuries, and therefore lack depth. are these dudes going to have anything but fumes to run on come playoff time?

Um...how about that STAT was damaged goods and we maxed him out when no one else was willing to? The problem we have with the team right now is Kidd. He's simpky not playing the way he was at the start of the year. STAT and Melo are inferior defenders but to me they seem to be playing just fine together this year.

kidd is not the problem..we should not have played him that many minutes. Kidd is soon to be 40 years old.. what are we expecting from him? the guy defends bigger players most of the time. he has to do most of the thinking for those knuckleheads on the floor when he is out there.. this is not a young jason kidd anymore.. the guy is gassed.. and that is understandable..

I'm not bagging on Kidd and it isn't his fault that he's came back down to earth. However, him not playing the way he did earlier has resulted in the product we're watching today. 100% understandable....Pablo needs more run.