raven wrote:Mate, you really have to let go.

The current team sucks and has no hope to contend baring major injuries to the top teams.

We are cap strapped, no good picks in hands, with mediocre players, a bad coach and the ''Morons King'' as owner.

Stop fighting, let go, cause this season is already over.

The earlier you do it, the happier you will be.

I'm the one that needs to let it go? Nah, I'm just replying to the quote above. What's wrong, couldn't talk about the "talent" surrounding that pre-trade Knicks unit? Forget "talent", let's talk NBA production in regards to..

Anthony Randolph.
Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

I'll be waiting for some actual insight...

raven wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

raven wrote:Mate, you really have to let go.

The current team sucks and has no hope to contend baring major injuries to the top teams.

We are cap strapped, no good picks in hands, with mediocre players, a bad coach and the ''Morons King'' as owner.

Stop fighting, let go, cause this season is already over.

The earlier you do it, the happier you will be.

I'm the one that needs to let it go? Nah, I'm just replying to the quote above. What's wrong, couldn't talk about the "talent" surrounding that pre-trade Knicks unit? Forget "talent", let's talk NBA production in regards to..

Anthony Randolph.
Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

I'll be waiting for some actual insight...

And what will you do when the current team fails again and get an early playoff exit?
Will you talk again about Anthony Randolph?

I liked you more when you could talk about the Knicks being 2nd seed in the East.
It seems time is on your side.

It's not about this current team. We're currently the 3rd seed of the East despite injuries. That's not the point because only TIME WILL TELL how far this team goes. This thread is about the pre-team trade in which fans are in love with. Once again, in regards to these 9 "talents"

Anthony Randolph.
Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

What type of production A.) Have they put up since leaving the Knicks and B.) Currently doing here in 2012-2013?

If you're fearful of talking about, then don't talk about it and/or post within this thread. I'm trying to talk about the pre-trade team in which was only two games above .500 after 57 games...

Why not let the team current work justify itself.

They wanted no trades, just about every player has some connection to Melo.

The GM called a player coming off an acl tear "untouchable".

They talk championship.

They pre-melo team just wanted to make the playoffs.

tkf wrote:wow... at this thread...

Why?

Aren't you one of those posters who talked up Anthony Randolph while being distraught over on RealGM that we "lost" A-R?

Aren't you one of the same fans who talk up how "talented" our Pre-Trade team was?

You can talk about ex Knicks such as Jeremy Lin and the Rockets along with Gallo and the Nuggets TKF, you even go as far as freaking POSTING on their teams message boards, but yet... It's "wow" that I'm also talking about ex Knicks? The difference? It doesn't fit your little agenda, now does it?

Well, Anthony Randolph is down the drain. Career bust thus far. Nothing to talk about there. But which one should we nitpick and/or laugh at next?

Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

I mean, they were "talented" and/or productive... Right?

NYKMentality wrote:I'm so tired of ready posts/remarks such as the one below.

JamesKPolk wrote: And he put together a young, talented team with cap room before the Anthony trade.

I'll agree to disagree. Everyone talks about our current Knicks being .500 over our past 28-29 games as some type of "mediocre team". Well, we're currently 32-20.

That team before the trade? The definition of mediocre. Only 28-26 overall after 54 games. Not sure how current Knick fans can harp over the Knicks playing .500 ball during our previous 28-29 games when that 2010-2011 Knicks team was only 2 games above .500 after 54 games...

But yea, that team wasn't even that talented (as some like to say).

What have guys such as Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov done over the years? Better yet, where are players such as Roger Mason Jr, Bill Walker, Andy Rautins, Eddy Curry and Shawne Williams? Guys such as Toney Douglas and Ronny Turiaf? Talented? Not so much...

Randolph, Mozgov, Mason Jr, Curry, Walker, Williams, Douglas, Turiaf and Andy Rautins? Those 9 players were "talented" pre-trade?

I'll give you all Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, but then again, those two players can't compare to J.R Smith and Carmelo Anthony. This myth about that pre-trade team being "talented" outside of four players in Felton, Stoudemire, Wilson and Gallo is a joke. More like a bold face lie...

Since that roster was oh so talented, please let us all know what player such as...

Anthony Randolph.
Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

Have A.) Done since leaving the Knicks and B.) Currently doing here in the NBA. Since that roster was "oh so talented" at 28-26 heading into the trade, please enlighten me what they've done and/or are currently doing in regards to these 9 talented players... If you all won't, trust me, I will. I'll take it one player at a time as well.

Wilson and Gallinari may not compare to Melo, I agree, but J.R? Seriously? Do you know there is a reason why Gallo got 40 million, Wilson got 30 million and JR got only 2 million in free agency.

KnicksFE wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:I'm so tired of ready posts/remarks such as the one below.

JamesKPolk wrote: And he put together a young, talented team with cap room before the Anthony trade.

I'll agree to disagree. Everyone talks about our current Knicks being .500 over our past 28-29 games as some type of "mediocre team". Well, we're currently 32-20.

That team before the trade? The definition of mediocre. Only 28-26 overall after 54 games. Not sure how current Knick fans can harp over the Knicks playing .500 ball during our previous 28-29 games when that 2010-2011 Knicks team was only 2 games above .500 after 54 games...

But yea, that team wasn't even that talented (as some like to say).

What have guys such as Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov done over the years? Better yet, where are players such as Roger Mason Jr, Bill Walker, Andy Rautins, Eddy Curry and Shawne Williams? Guys such as Toney Douglas and Ronny Turiaf? Talented? Not so much...

Randolph, Mozgov, Mason Jr, Curry, Walker, Williams, Douglas, Turiaf and Andy Rautins? Those 9 players were "talented" pre-trade?

I'll give you all Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, but then again, those two players can't compare to J.R Smith and Carmelo Anthony. This myth about that pre-trade team being "talented" outside of four players in Felton, Stoudemire, Wilson and Gallo is a joke. More like a bold face lie...

Since that roster was oh so talented, please let us all know what player such as...

Anthony Randolph.
Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

Have A.) Done since leaving the Knicks and B.) Currently doing here in the NBA. Since that roster was "oh so talented" at 28-26 heading into the trade, please enlighten me what they've done and/or are currently doing in regards to these 9 talented players... If you all won't, trust me, I will. I'll take it one player at a time as well.

Wilson and Gallinari may not compare to Melo, I agree, but J.R? Seriously? Do you know there is a reason why Gallo got 40 million, Wilson got 30 million and JR got only 2 million in free agency.

So now a players salary decides how good a player is? Nice to know. Tell that to Eddy Curry.

J.R Smith:$2,806,452. 0 games missed.. 16.0 points, 2.8 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 1.3 steals amd 1.5 turnovers per game. FG% of .400%.
Chandler: $5,930,415. 37 games missed. 9.7 points,, 0.7 assists, 5.3 rebounds, 0.9 steals and 1.1 turnovers per game. FG% of .387%.

I know who I'm taking for my 6th man off the bench. And it's not Wilson Chandler. Especially not at $5,930,415 dollars...

Wilson Chandler being paid $19,029,492 over the next three years is a laughing stock joke.

But yea, lets get back to the pre trade team. We've already laughed at Anthony Randolph. Now lets talk about the likes of...

Timofey Mozgov.
Roger Mason Jr.
Bill Walker.
Shawne Williams.
Toney Douglas.
Ronny Turiaf.
Andy Rautins.
Eddy Curry.

I mean lets be honest here... That pre-trade team was oh so "talented" and/or "productive"... Right? Well, what have they done since the trade and/or what are they currently doing here in 2012-2013?

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:NYKMent...Some how you think reasoning and the presentation of facts will change the minds of those who feel we were better off with Gallo and MDA...Its not happening...Move on...They thought Kidd was the MVP when we were winning and Melo is the reason why we are losing...Enjoy what the Knicks have to offer for the rest of the year...Lets hope Amare and Shrump steps up in some manner to make us competitive going into the playoffs..

Kidd's play has fallen way off as so his overall health and ability to play at a high level....every since we've looked like garbage regardless of how Anthony plays.

Kidd's play was important to the early success which included knocking down those open shots that Fields missed for three years...But there were more to the dynamic that has gone missing...Brewer's overall game was key which fell off the map and Sheed was key off the bench defensively and passing which helped our overall look..Felton's penetration was key but now dudes are missing those shot or not taking them like KIdd in the last game...We also just played much better defense but just stopped...We don't need Melo going back to hero ball of last year to get us to the playoffs...Hopefully Amare and Shrump could step in add something going into the post season...

I am ashamed to be posting in this thread.