NYKMentality wrote:This thread isn't about Carmelo Anthony

lol

NYKMentality wrote:

knickscity wrote:Now take out the guys who have led or was a key piece to their teams making the finals and at least had a chance to play for that title.

I betcha that list gets real small.

Then we'd also have to take a look at their supporting cast, now wouldn't we?

But it doesn't matter. Playoffs, Conference Finals, Finals... It doesn't matter. People around here don't judge winners on "Final apperances", they judge them on Championships and postseason failures. All of these players mentioned, had/have a boat load of playoff failure.

Forget about the greats in which never won a ring, just look at how long it took the likes of LeBron, David Robinson, Hakeem, Pierce, Ray Allen, Drexler, Mourning, K.G, Dirk, Gary Payton etc, etc to actually win a ring. Outside of LeBron, all took 10+ seasons. A specific someone has yet to complete his 10th NBA season. Also, how many of these players listed above completely failed to make the playoffs during some of these seasons? Exactly.

Moral of the story? Basketball is a team game. Some of the all-time greats never won an NBA championship. Lots of others took 10+ years to due so. Not all NBA great had to join forces with the likes of Ray Allen and Chris Bosh to do so either.

If only John Stockton, Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing would've joined forces... What could've been.

you can't lump these players together like that just to protect melo's reputation-- of course it matters. a savvy student of the game will make a distinction between mere playoff appearances and how far a player leads his team INTO the playoffs and then look at how consistently he does so.

making it to the first round means absolutely nothing in terms of achievement-- the reason is that the nba is a diluted and bloated product that rewards mediocrity and that is what the first round is, basically. that and an easy revenue stream.

what i would ask instead is how many of the players you listed made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs and beyond, how consistently they did so, and did they make a series out of those appearances, meaning 6 or 7 games.

that to me would be a fair measure of the players listed. i challenge you to organize your list accordingly.

dk7th wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

knickscity wrote:Now take out the guys who have led or was a key piece to their teams making the finals and at least had a chance to play for that title.

I betcha that list gets real small.

Then we'd also have to take a look at their supporting cast, now wouldn't we?

But it doesn't matter. Playoffs, Conference Finals, Finals... It doesn't matter. People around here don't judge winners on "Final apperances", they judge them on Championships and postseason failures. All of these players mentioned, had/have a boat load of playoff failure.

Forget about the greats in which never won a ring, just look at how long it took the likes of LeBron, David Robinson, Hakeem, Pierce, Ray Allen, Drexler, Mourning, K.G, Dirk, Gary Payton etc, etc to actually win a ring. Outside of LeBron, all took 10+ seasons. A specific someone has yet to complete his 10th NBA season. Also, how many of these players listed above completely failed to make the playoffs during some of these seasons? Exactly.

Moral of the story? Basketball is a team game. Some of the all-time greats never won an NBA championship. Lots of others took 10+ years to due so. Not all NBA great had to join forces with the likes of Ray Allen and Chris Bosh to do so either.

If only John Stockton, Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing would've joined forces... What could've been.

you can't lump these players together like that just to protect melo's reputation-- of course it matters. a savvy student of the game will make a distinction between mere playoff appearances and how far a player leads his team INTO the playoffs and then look at how consistently he does so.

making it to the first round means absolutely nothing in terms of achievement-- the reason is that the nba is a diluted and bloated product that rewards mediocrity and that is what the first round is, basically. that and an easy revenue stream.

what i would ask instead is how many of the players you listed made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs and beyond, how consistently they did so, and did they make a series out of those appearances, meaning 6 or 7 games.

that to me would be a fair measure of the players listed. i challenge you to organize your list accordingly.

yea, this thread is very misleading, and the list rigged, if you ask me.. I find it funny how he mentions dirk not winning until his 13th season, but dirk was in the finals and most agree was pretty much robbed vs the heat in 2006 which was dirks 8th year in the league...

I mean jeez these threads.. LOL

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

knickscity wrote:Now take out the guys who have led or was a key piece to their teams making the finals and at least had a chance to play for that title.

I betcha that list gets real small.

Then we'd also have to take a look at their supporting cast, now wouldn't we?

But it doesn't matter. Playoffs, Conference Finals, Finals... It doesn't matter. People around here don't judge winners on "Final apperances", they judge them on Championships and postseason failures. All of these players mentioned, had/have a boat load of playoff failure.

Forget about the greats in which never won a ring, just look at how long it took the likes of LeBron, David Robinson, Hakeem, Pierce, Ray Allen, Drexler, Mourning, K.G, Dirk, Gary Payton etc, etc to actually win a ring. Outside of LeBron, all took 10+ seasons. A specific someone has yet to complete his 10th NBA season. Also, how many of these players listed above completely failed to make the playoffs during some of these seasons? Exactly.

Moral of the story? Basketball is a team game. Some of the all-time greats never won an NBA championship. Lots of others took 10+ years to due so. Not all NBA great had to join forces with the likes of Ray Allen and Chris Bosh to do so either.

If only John Stockton, Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing would've joined forces... What could've been.

you can't lump these players together like that just to protect melo's reputation-- of course it matters. a savvy student of the game will make a distinction between mere playoff appearances and how far a player leads his team INTO the playoffs and then look at how consistently he does so.

making it to the first round means absolutely nothing in terms of achievement-- the reason is that the nba is a diluted and bloated product that rewards mediocrity and that is what the first round is, basically. that and an easy revenue stream.

what i would ask instead is how many of the players you listed made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs and beyond, how consistently they did so, and did they make a series out of those appearances, meaning 6 or 7 games.

that to me would be a fair measure of the players listed. i challenge you to organize your list accordingly.

yea, this thread is very misleading, and the list rigged, if you ask me.. I find it funny how he mentions dirk not winning until his 13th season, but dirk was in the finals and most agree was pretty much robbed vs the heat in 2006 which was dirks 8th year in the league...

I mean jeez these threads.. LOL

It's ok. We need more positive threads even when they don't make any sense!

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

knickscity wrote:Now take out the guys who have led or was a key piece to their teams making the finals and at least had a chance to play for that title.

I betcha that list gets real small.

Then we'd also have to take a look at their supporting cast, now wouldn't we?

But it doesn't matter. Playoffs, Conference Finals, Finals... It doesn't matter. People around here don't judge winners on "Final apperances", they judge them on Championships and postseason failures. All of these players mentioned, had/have a boat load of playoff failure.

Forget about the greats in which never won a ring, just look at how long it took the likes of LeBron, David Robinson, Hakeem, Pierce, Ray Allen, Drexler, Mourning, K.G, Dirk, Gary Payton etc, etc to actually win a ring. Outside of LeBron, all took 10+ seasons. A specific someone has yet to complete his 10th NBA season. Also, how many of these players listed above completely failed to make the playoffs during some of these seasons? Exactly.

Moral of the story? Basketball is a team game. Some of the all-time greats never won an NBA championship. Lots of others took 10+ years to due so. Not all NBA great had to join forces with the likes of Ray Allen and Chris Bosh to do so either.

If only John Stockton, Reggie Miller and Patrick Ewing would've joined forces... What could've been.

you can't lump these players together like that just to protect melo's reputation-- of course it matters. a savvy student of the game will make a distinction between mere playoff appearances and how far a player leads his team INTO the playoffs and then look at how consistently he does so.

making it to the first round means absolutely nothing in terms of achievement-- the reason is that the nba is a diluted and bloated product that rewards mediocrity and that is what the first round is, basically. that and an easy revenue stream.

what i would ask instead is how many of the players you listed made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs and beyond, how consistently they did so, and did they make a series out of those appearances, meaning 6 or 7 games.

that to me would be a fair measure of the players listed. i challenge you to organize your list accordingly.

yea, this thread is very misleading, and the list rigged, if you ask me.. I find it funny how he mentions dirk not winning until his 13th season, but dirk was in the finals and most agree was pretty much robbed vs the heat in 2006 which was dirks 8th year in the league...

I mean jeez these threads.. LOL

It's ok. We need more positive threads even when they don't make any sense!

lol.. yea, I guess

IronWillGiroud wrote:I think it's funny you're taking the focus from the question of Melo being a terrible lead player,

and you are now putting the focus on Melo's championships,

this is called a red fish,

everyone knows most people won't win a championship, no one is blaming melo for that,

the thing is that a lot of the guys on your list are champions even if they've never won it, like ewing is a champion because you saw that he was capable of taking a solid swing at it,

red fish?

NYKBocker wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I think it's funny you're taking the focus from the question of Melo being a terrible lead player,

and you are now putting the focus on Melo's championships,

this is called a red fish,

everyone knows most people won't win a championship, no one is blaming melo for that,

the thing is that a lot of the guys on your list are champions even if they've never won it, like ewing is a champion because you saw that he was capable of taking a solid swing at it,

red fish?

Maybe he meant Red Herring.

I assumed that he did - just wanted clarification