We have 32 games to go people and I still believe that we're good for 50+ wins. We have a winning % of .640. If we continue to win at the same clip we're at 52 wins! Granted that our 2nd half schedule is no joke.

It's easy to be down right now but keep the faith people. Teams go through BS stretches like this. We're just going throug it now.I have the utmost faith in coach Woody to right the ship. Heck, if someone told me at the start of the year we would be where we're at I would have jumped for joy.

It's easy to look at the negatives and ignore the positives. I thought this would be a magical year and although being dissapointed at times I still think this year will be magical.

Who's with me?

Bonn1997 wrote:What's the goal? If we make it to the 2nd round, that means in three years of Melo-Amare, we would have won 1 playoff series. It's hard to call that a success.

I'm in Yankees mode. Goal is the trophy with the big ball on top. Anything less is a failure. I beleive this team can make it happen.

VCoug wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Anything can happen in the playoffs.

Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.

Dallas really isn't a good example, everyone thinks they came out of nowhere because we were so accustomed to them crashing and burning in the playoffs. But, they won 57 games that year and had a top 10 offense and defense. We're only on pace for 52 wins with a very easy schedule and we have a middle of the pack defense. A better example would be if the Denver Nuggets had won the championship that season. They won 54 games, had the best offense in the league, and a mediocre defense.

Knicks
Score 100.3 PPG #10
Defend at 95.7 PPG #8
Differential +4.6 #5 in the league
#1 in turnovers per game

#2 in the East at 32-18 .640
#6 in the NBA

#17 in rebounding in diff

If we can tighten up the D and grab those bounds we're golden. Woody will straighten it out.

CashMoney wrote:

VCoug wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Anything can happen in the playoffs.

Remember the Dallas Mavericks. We just need to peak at the right time.

Dallas really isn't a good example, everyone thinks they came out of nowhere because we were so accustomed to them crashing and burning in the playoffs. But, they won 57 games that year and had a top 10 offense and defense. We're only on pace for 52 wins with a very easy schedule and we have a middle of the pack defense. A better example would be if the Denver Nuggets had won the championship that season. They won 54 games, had the best offense in the league, and a mediocre defense.

Knicks
Score 100.3 PPG #10
Defend at 95.7 PPG #8
Differential +4.6 #5 in the league
#1 in turnovers per game

#2 in the East at 32-18 .640
#6 in the NBA

#17 in rebounding in diff

If we can tighten up the D and grab those bounds we're golden. Woody will straighten it out.

Those numbers don't take into account pace. If you take that into account we're 2nd in offense and 16th in defense.

IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro

tj23 wrote:I don't know does the success(or failures) of your other sports teams change your views on this team? I'm just assuming a number of you guys are either Giants and/or Yanks fans. Does that lead to higher expectations for anyone?

Good question. I'm a Yanks/Giants fan, but I don't think that really influences the expectations I have for the Knicks. I treat each team separately. So while I expect the Yanks to always be in a position to challenge for a title and am upset at anything less, I do not hold the Knicks to the same standard.

For this current Knicks team, I think they have the talent to get to the East finals, so I would be disappointed with anything less. But I would not be disappointed (maybe "angry" is a better word, because you are always disappointed when your team's season ends) if they lost in the East finals, because to me, that would be a very successful season.

With the current Yankees, by comparison, I am angry already because I feel like management's goals have clearly changed in recent years, with ownership more interested in keeping payroll down that in winning a title. The Yankees market themselves as a team that accepts nothing less than a title every year, but they have not matched this philosophy in putting this team together (just look at our catchers). Of course, the worst is yet to come, because if Yankee fans think this year's team is suspect, just wait till next year, when the new luxury tax rules kick in.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro

Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.

Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.

+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:I can't cheer up right now, sorry bro

Maybe this will help. Last year the 8-0 linsanity run had its final win on 2/15 to pull the Knicks to 15-15. In 2010, the glory year full of potential etc. the Knicks were 27-26 on 2/15. In 2009 the Knicks were 19-33 and not playing the picks because they were chasing the playoffs. This year the Knicks are 32-18, in first in the atlantic and in second place in the east. +13 wins on any of the last 3 years. If you went back farther its plus 13 on at least the last 8 years at the all star break. The Knicks aren't on the outside hoping to go on the run to get the eight spot. They are competing for the 1 seed.

Everyone already knows this team used to be really bad. If we had a young team, then going from really bad to above average, would be a nice reason for optimism. Here, if all we end up as is an above average team that wins 1 or 2 playoff series and then declines, that seems pointless.

+1 And not only would it be pointless it would be pretty hopeless too. With a veteran team like ours there's very little room for improvement among our current players; a young team like OKC was, and is, their players are still growing and improving while ours pretty much are what they are. Unfortunately, if we're not good enough to be a true contender now, and considering that Dolan will almost certainly not agree to a rebuild, we probably aren't going to be good enough to win a championship at any point through 2020 since most of our core players are almost certainly going to be resigned when they become free agents in a few years.

I would rather be in the mix then waiting to fulfill potential. OKC got three amazing lottery picks and hit a home run with Durant. The Knicks recent lottery picks were Gallo and Hill. I don't see the argument that the Knicks gave up young players that were going to lead the them to a championship. I think the reality of the Lin poison pill should start to become easier to understand when guys like Harden and Gay are getting dumped because of the new cba. The other big potential guys I hear about are Gallo, Chandler and Moz. Gallo is definitely a starter and maybe more. He is having a really good year and he is staying healthy but that has not been the case for his career. Chandler has been struggling, was a great Knick but at this point he is a rotation guy that might get back to starter status. Moz is a notmucher at this point. Last years youth that left, Fields, Jorts and Jordan have not done much. Fields has a ridiculous contract, has been injured and is job sharing with Alan Anderson. The other two are not in the league.

I'm talking about the entire direction of the team from the past 10 years to the present, not any 1 or 2 transactions like the Melo trade and Lin decision.