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raven
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2/11/2013  9:02 PM
After the article I posted on Grantland about Durant's incredible season (), here are a few facts about Lebron's own insane season:


- In the past two decades, only two players have shot 56+ pct from the floor on 18+ attempts per game: Shaq and LeBron.

- LeBron is 20 of 21 FG (95.2 percent) in the first quarter during this 5 game streak of his.

- LeBron is shooting 71.4 FG% over his last five games. Michael Jordan's best FG% over five games? 69.6 FG% back in 1988.

- LeBron has shot at least 50 pct in 17 of his 19 games in 2013. Carmelo has shot 50+ pct in just 16 games this season.

- List of players who can match LeBron in assists per game and 3FG% this season: Steve Nash and Jose Calderon. That's it.

- Last one: LeBron is currently shooting 56 pct from the floor and 42 pct on 100+ threes. No one's ever done that.


So all in all, I'm not a carmelo hater although I don't like him that much either. He's a gifted scorer for sure, but he lacks the ''it'' thing that makes MVPs unique players.

He's a very good player, great even sometimes, but he's flawed and I doubt he'll be able to lead the Knicks to a championship. I really hope he'll prove me wrong though.

Damn I still wish Starks made that Game 6 last 3 point shot...

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2/11/2013  9:15 PM
raven wrote:After the article I posted on Grantland about Durant's incredible season (), here are a few facts about Lebron's own insane season:


- In the past two decades, only two players have shot 56+ pct from the floor on 18+ attempts per game: Shaq and LeBron.

- LeBron is 20 of 21 FG (95.2 percent) in the first quarter during this 5 game streak of his.

- LeBron is shooting 71.4 FG% over his last five games. Michael Jordan's best FG% over five games? 69.6 FG% back in 1988.

- LeBron has shot at least 50 pct in 17 of his 19 games in 2013. Carmelo has shot 50+ pct in just 16 games this season.

- List of players who can match LeBron in assists per game and 3FG% this season: Steve Nash and Jose Calderon. That's it.

- Last one: LeBron is currently shooting 56 pct from the floor and 42 pct on 100+ threes. No one's ever done that.


So all in all, I'm not a carmelo hater although I don't like him that much either. He's a gifted scorer for sure, but he lacks the ''it'' thing that makes MVPs unique players.

He's a very good player, great even sometimes, but he's flawed and I doubt he'll be able to lead the Knicks to a championship. I really hope he'll prove me wrong though.

Damn I still wish Starks made that Game 6 last 3 point shot...


What exactly was the point of this thread? It is clear that Lebron is the best player in the league, this just seems like another superfluous post comparing "king" James to lowly melo. Everything you wrote about melo is just opinion, and a pessimistic one at that. Some people think melo has it in him to lead a team and win a chip (myself included) and some will refute that notion until he does, if he ever does. Yet merely stating the obvious fact that melo is no lebron James is not paricularly conducive to any type of enlightening basketball discussion.
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2/11/2013  9:58 PM
raven wrote:After the article I posted on Grantland about Durant's incredible season (), here are a few facts about Lebron's own insane season:


- In the past two decades, only two players have shot 56+ pct from the floor on 18+ attempts per game: Shaq and LeBron.

- LeBron is 20 of 21 FG (95.2 percent) in the first quarter during this 5 game streak of his.

- LeBron is shooting 71.4 FG% over his last five games. Michael Jordan's best FG% over five games? 69.6 FG% back in 1988.

- LeBron has shot at least 50 pct in 17 of his 19 games in 2013. Carmelo has shot 50+ pct in just 16 games this season.

- List of players who can match LeBron in assists per game and 3FG% this season: Steve Nash and Jose Calderon. That's it.

- Last one: LeBron is currently shooting 56 pct from the floor and 42 pct on 100+ threes. No one's ever done that.


So all in all, I'm not a carmelo hater although I don't like him that much either. He's a gifted scorer for sure, but he lacks the ''it'' thing that makes MVPs unique players.

He's a very good player, great even sometimes, but he's flawed and I doubt he'll be able to lead the Knicks to a championship. I really hope he'll prove me wrong though.

Damn I still wish Starks made that Game 6 last 3 point shot...

You may as well not be a fan of the Knicks unless arguably the greatest player of all time is on the team.

Threads like this are a joke. Melo is not LeBron. Durant is not LeBron. The guy is a freak.

But I refuse to not enjoy the Knicks because we'll never have him. We've got our problems but Melo is far from a problem. I'm not pleased the way we've played D. But this is the best regular season we've had in over a decade.

Melo is a great ball player. Try to enjoy it.

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2/11/2013  10:03 PM
Mvp doesn't mean best player, I think that's the biggest road block for some.

If this team ends up with 55 wins with this supporting cast, he should be considered.

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2/11/2013  10:16 PM
I really think Lebron has another level or two higher he can reach. He is playing down to the level of the competition.
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2/11/2013  10:18 PM
Caseloads wrote:I really think Lebron has another level or two higher he can reach. He is playing down to the level of the competition.

He can score every time if he wants. It's incredible. I hope Miami appreciates it. They probably don't.

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2/11/2013  10:19 PM
Anji wrote:Mvp doesn't mean best player, I think that's the biggest road block for some.

If this team ends up with 55 wins with this supporting cast, he should be considered.

Sorry, but not with the type of seasons Lebron and Durant are having for teams that are probably going to win 60+

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2/12/2013  12:13 AM
VCoug wrote:
Anji wrote:Mvp doesn't mean best player, I think that's the biggest road block for some.

If this team ends up with 55 wins with this supporting cast, he should be considered.

Sorry, but not with the type of seasons Lebron and Durant are having for teams that are probably going to win 60+


No need to be sorry, MVP doesn't mean best player.

I didn't even say he would win. LOL

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2/12/2013  12:48 AM
i like melo and he is in the conversation but he is not even on the same planet of lebron and durant and i hate lebron
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2/12/2013  12:50 AM
MSG3 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:I really think Lebron has another level or two higher he can reach. He is playing down to the level of the competition.

He can score every time if he wants. It's incredible. I hope Miami appreciates it. They probably don't.

Thats what bothers me the most. miami really doesnt have a passionate fanbase and et they get the best player since jordan while the knicks fans have suffered through 12 years of misery
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2/12/2013  12:59 AM
40yrs of Misery
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2/12/2013  1:08 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Caseloads wrote:I really think Lebron has another level or two higher he can reach. He is playing down to the level of the competition.

He can score every time if he wants. It's incredible. I hope Miami appreciates it. They probably don't.

Thats what bothers me the most. miami really doesnt have a passionate fanbase and et they get the best player since jordan while the knicks fans have suffered through 12 years of misery

i saw the lakers/heat game and was amazed at how empty the place was at the end. maybe its the new realities of attending games, it looked bad to me though.

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2/12/2013  1:09 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:i like melo and he is in the conversation but he is not even on the same planet of lebron and durant and i hate lebron

As are others in the conversation....If Melo was having the seasons as Lebron and Durant are and they were having a good season by their standards and fans tried to say Lebron and Durant are better than him, these fans would faint and pass out at the same time never to wake again.

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2/12/2013  1:11 AM
gunsnewing wrote:40yrs of Misery

how can we complain when our G-Men just won 2 of the greatest superbowls ever???

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2/12/2013  1:19 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:40yrs of Misery

how can we complain when our G-Men just won 2 of the greatest superbowls ever???

Giants, Yankees, Rangers winning is nice but the Knicks winning would be otherworldy

Damn shame I picked the Knicks to be most passionate about

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2/12/2013  1:25 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:40yrs of Misery

how can we complain when our G-Men just won 2 of the greatest superbowls ever???

Giants, Yankees, Rangers winning is nice but the Knicks winning would be otherworldy

Damn shame I picked the Knicks to be most passionate about

yeah - that was a mistake

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2/12/2013  2:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2013  2:15 AM
Not to take anything away from LeBron's potential MVP season, but how's LeBron in the clutch when compared to Melo throughout their entire NBA careers? Also, what's Melo vs. LeBron's head to head record against one another? We're talking a Magic/Bird type of potential rivalry here. Two greats drafted during the same draft class. Should've been one/two instead of one/three. LeBron and Melo are two American Gold Medal Olympians for the United States of America and may win three (together).

Let's not act as if Melo hasn't competed with LeBron since the day they were both drafted during the same draft class. Knocking Melo due to LeBron would be like knocking Ewing due to Michael Jordan. It's foolish and clueless.

Melo led his Nuggets to the postseason during his first two seasons against the likes of elite Western Conference dynasty teams while LeBron failed to lead Cleveland to the postseason during LeBron's first two seasons in the league, despite the fact that LeBron was drafted into a laughing stock joke of an Eastern Conference.

If only the tables were reversed and Melo were drafted by an Eastern Conference team while LeBron went to an awful Western Conference franchise along with having to compete against the likes of Parker, Manu Ginobili, Tim Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs come postseason play. Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant and the Los Angeles Lakers during playoff series. Mike D'Antoni's led Phoenix Sun teams in which featured the likes of both Nash and Stoudemire. Dirk and those Dallas Mavericks. Can't forget about Houston being led by Yao either. Can't forget about those explosive Sacramento Kings being led by Chris Weber and later Bibby, Peja Stojakovic and remember Ron Artest (3 years). Even teams such as Utah would've ran through most Eastern Conference teams during the year in which Melo went to war against Western Conference teams (and won) on a nightly basis, while LeBron feasted against the likes of weak Eastern Conference opponents. LeBron was gift wrapped the Eastern Conference while Melo was drafted into a living nightmare known as the Western Conference during their elite/golden years.

Melo's led Nuggets were able to eliminate Dirk and the Mavs from postseason contention. But yet, LeBron along with Wade and Bosh failed to eliminate the likes of Dirk and Dallas. Melo may have been eliminated against the Spurs 2x come postseason play, but LeBron was swept by San Antonio. LeBron only won his first (and only) NBA Championship last season during a shortened offseason alongside Wade (a proven Championship winning star) and Chris Bosh.

Is LeBron the greatest NBA talent? No doubt. But there is no way you can state that LeBron's a stronger leader when compared to Carmelo. LeBron's not as battle tested as Carmelo and he's never been as clutch during pressure situations either.

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2/12/2013  2:10 AM
You know what's insane? Pete Maravich, Elgin Baylor, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Allen Iverson, Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone and/or Patrick Ewing were never able to win an NBA Championship. Steve Nash, Grant Hill, CP3, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Amar'e Stoudemire and Joakim Noah have never won an NBA championship. LeBron only won his first NBA championship last season after playing alongside Wade/Bosh in a not so strong Eastern Conference while it took Paul Pierce 10 years (the season K.G/Allen joined Boston) and Dirk Nowitzki never won his until his 13th season (eliminated LeBron/Wade/Bosh).

Melo hasn't even completed his 10th NBA season.

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2/12/2013  5:45 AM
No Tony Parker love. The guy is at 54% and 40% with nearly 8 assists.
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2/12/2013  6:20 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:No Tony Parker love. The guy is at 54% and 40% with nearly 8 assists.

Yes. True MVP runner. Just underrated for some reason in regards to elite NBA stars. He was always overshadowed by Duncan, but now the Spurs are his team. Also averaging 20 points per game. Duncan is still great but Parker's developed into best player on the (currently) #1 team in the NBA.

About that Carmelo MVP thing...

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