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BRIGGS
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2/5/2013  8:22 PM
Believe me I am focused on the show at hand--I want to win it all this year!


That being said--with the teams as composed I think Martell Webster would make a great deal of sense to acquire for the MLE and move him into the starting SG spot. He is perfect for this team at that position. We might even be able to sign and trade him using our first round pick by swapping back with Washington to their 2nd rounder--i.e 26 or so to 33 or so.

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2/5/2013  8:25 PM
Rather not. He's been in the league for 7 years now, pretty awful shooting percentage and hasn't been a very good scorer throughout his career.

Iman Shumpert is our starting 2G for (potentially) many of years to come with hopefully J.R Smith backing up the 2G position moving forward.

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2/5/2013  8:31 PM
I think you wait and see what happens in the draft. The Knicks really missed Felton both when he wasn't 100% and when he was out. Also, if Camby continues to have chronic problems it might be wise to get a big.
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2/5/2013  8:39 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think you wait and see what happens in the draft. The Knicks really missed Felton both when he wasn't 100% and when he was out. Also, if Camby continues to have chronic problems it might be wise to get a big.

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2/5/2013  8:44 PM
I think our core group of players moving forward should be...

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire.
SF: Carmelo Anthony.
2G: Iman Shumpert.
PG: Raymond Felton.

J.R Smith.
Steve Novak.

That's a pretty good top 7 to build around. I'd also love to keep Pablo around for another year or two after 2012-2013. He may be 35 years of age but no way shape or form does this man play old. I believe he has a lot left to offer out of the gas tank.

I really can't picture Jason Kidd going another year, at least not without showing serious signs of aging. He'll turn 40 this coming March. We need to add another big man or two as well, because I can't picture the likes of Rasheed, Kurt and Camby contributing for too much longer especially after 2012-2013.

Would love to upgrade our overall roster over the likes of Copeland and White as well. I'll save my outlook on Brewer until after postseason play, I really have a strong feeling Brewer's going to emerge as a strong perimeter defender for our Knicks sooner rather than later.

But yea, the best way to focus on the future? Is win now. We win now and have a great showing come postseason play? True FA talents will go out of their way in order to chase a ring with our Knicks moving forward.

All in all? We're in great position when thinking about the future of this team.

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2/5/2013  8:48 PM
We need a backup PG and we need a young athletic big man. Everything else we can deal with in terms of what we have.
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2/5/2013  9:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2013  9:01 PM
Killa4luv wrote:We need a backup PG and we need a young athletic big man. Everything else we can deal with in terms of what we have.

You're right we need exactly that for next year(back up PG and athletic big back up big man who can play 4-5). I would add in a Sg who can shoot to three. Im surprised that more people dont think Martell is one of the better shooters from 2 G in the entire NBA with true eFG for the cost. On bad teams --where you get much less space. Martell is in the top 10 in true efg from that position and at 6-7 225 can rebound as well as give you that big body for that position.

Probably see White Copeland Thomas Wallace out. Our back up PGs will be 40 and 36

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2/5/2013  9:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2013  9:13 PM
Knicks over the cap

No MLE

only LLE $3mil

Wiki:

Mid-level exception
Once a year, teams can use a mid-level exception (MLE) to sign a player to a contract for a specified maximum amount. The amount of the MLE and its duration depend on the team's cap status. The MLE is $5 million for a duration of four years for teams that are over the cap either before or after the signing, but did not pay a luxury tax in the previous season. Teams without cap room that paid tax in the previous season have an MLE of $3 million with a three-year duration. Teams with cap room, previously ineligible for the MLE, have a new MLE of $2.5 million with a two-year duration. The MLE is frozen at the stated levels through the 2012–13 season, after which it increases by 3% per season.[5]
Before the 2011 CBA, the MLE was equal to the average NBA salary for all teams over the cap. Teams with cap room were previously ineligible for the MLE.[5] The Mid-Level Exception for the 2008–09 NBA season was $5.585 million.[12] The MLE was $5.854 million for the 2009–10 NBA regular season.

Bi-annual exception
The bi-annual exception was used to sign any free agent to a contract starting at $1.672 million. Like the mid-level exception, the bi-annual exception was also split among more than one player, and was used to sign players for up to two years, with raises limited to 8% per year. This exception was referred to as the "$1 million exception" in the 1999 CBA, although it was valued at $1 million for only the first year of the agreement.
An example of the bi-annual exception was the Los Angeles Lakers' signing of Karl Malone to a contract before the 2003–04 season.
The exception was eliminated for luxury tax paying teams following the 2011 NBA lockout as many high spending teams were using this as a tool to gain top paid players.

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2/5/2013  9:27 PM
NYKMentality wrote:I think our core group of players moving forward should be...

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire.
SF: Carmelo Anthony.
2G: Iman Shumpert.
PG: Raymond Felton.

J.R Smith.
Steve Novak.

That's a pretty good top 7 to build around. I'd also love to keep Pablo around for another year or two after 2012-2013. He may be 35 years of age but no way shape or form does this man play old. I believe he has a lot left to offer out of the gas tank.

I really can't picture Jason Kidd going another year, at least not without showing serious signs of aging. He'll turn 40 this coming March. We need to add another big man or two as well, because I can't picture the likes of Rasheed, Kurt and Camby contributing for too much longer especially after 2012-2013.

Would love to upgrade our overall roster over the likes of Copeland and White as well. I'll save my outlook on Brewer until after postseason play, I really have a strong feeling Brewer's going to emerge as a strong perimeter defender for our Knicks sooner rather than later.

But yea, the best way to focus on the future? Is win now. We win now and have a great showing come postseason play? True FA talents will go out of their way in order to chase a ring with our Knicks moving forward.

All in all? We're in great position when thinking about the future of this team.

I like Kidd to stick around... albeit playing far fewer minutes than he is now. I think that's more than a pretty good top 7

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2/5/2013  9:55 PM
Dejuan Blair would be great for the mid level.
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2/5/2013  10:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:Dejuan Blair would be great for the mid level.

No mid level

only lower level $3mil

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2/5/2013  10:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2013  10:30 PM
Sheed & Kurt Veteran Minimum $1,352,181

Brewer $1,069,509 Vet Min

Camby $4,590,338

Kidd $$3,090,000 LLE

White, Pablo & Cope under $1mil

We are on the books for $76,404,547 next year nearly $20mil over the cap. No MLE only LLE

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

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2/5/2013  10:30 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Dejuan Blair would be great for the mid level.

No mid level

only lower level $3mil

Id give Martell 3 years 9mm--that's perfect and throw him right into the starting 2 G

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2/5/2013  10:36 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Dejuan Blair would be great for the mid level.

No mid level

only lower level $3mil

Id give Martell 3 years 9mm--that's perfect and throw him right into the starting 2 G

That works. Nice replacement for JR. Shump will start though. As will Amare after the Allstar break

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2/5/2013  10:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/5/2013  10:47 PM
regular MLE is 5m


tax payer's MLE is 3m
Brigg's was referring to this


LLE = Bi Annual Exemption
In which Tax payer's lose the right to use


In all the terminology's, Gun's got confused with the different types of exemptions


It is weird with this new CBA decent talents have signed for veteran minimum salaries, lowering the market for certain type of skilled players

Nate Robinson is worth much more than a veterans minimum, not to mention a guaranteed contract
Webster is a decent pick up terms of production 3point shooting, size, athleticism, and youth

But with this new CBA it is like you never know what kind of players you can get for lowered salaries
And we have to see what happen's with JR Smith, along with how Iman play's as he get's in better shape *if he stay's healthy, with his worth ethic he would be developing a lot from a summer*
Along with Kidd, that is many possible minutes at the SG spot taken up, although Webster can play SF along with Smith
So think it is too early to tell right now, along with what kind of a player we could potentially draft


Early 2nd round picks also have 3 year deals vs 2 year deal from mid to late 2nd round picks *for future poison pill's if you find/develop a steal*

A trade with the use of our 3m *that we have opted to use every year* would be beneficial because we would keep our MLE *taxpayers* to use to acquire another player

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2/5/2013  11:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2013  12:00 AM
Knicks main concern should be retaining JR Smith.

MLE candidates for me would be Carlos Delfino, Devin Harris, Shaun Livingston, Corey Maggette, Sebastian Telfair, Dorrell Wright, Stephen Jackson, Randy Foye, Mo Williams.

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2/6/2013  1:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2013  1:56 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks main concern should be retaining JR Smith.

Without question too. He's the closest thing we've featured to John Starks since John Starks himself. And John Starks became a New York legend due to his overall heart, pride and love for the game of basketball. J.R Smith, personality wise, is a clone of John Starks. When John Starks was slowly becoming frustrated, you could not only see it in his eyes (the eyes of a killer) but also throughout his entire body language. When Starks was about to flip, you knew it. Which is why Riley along with tough veterans such as Ewing and Oakley were perfect for #3's personality and/or frame of mind. Ewing and Oakley were as wild as they came down low, and could also snap any given moment, weren't scared to fight for New York, but were also players in which Starks respected and knew not to cross. Guys such as Melo, Chandler and Stoudemire are perfect for J.R Smith here in New York. Respected veterans. J.R, like Starks, has the eyes of a pit bull. You can tell when J.R's about to snap and like Starks; this is what makes J.R special. He's not only a fighter, but he's becoming a New York warrior and it's up to our head coach in Woodson along with our veteran leaders to tame J.R Smith at times. Special kid.

The Knicks lose J.R Smith during the offseason, and we lose our very own John Starks. But you know what? I believe J.R Smith knows he's at home here in New York. With these Knicks. I believe he's ready to ride out his career alongside his teammates and potentially retire with New York. Or at least play until he can no longer fight. He's made for the Knicks.

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2/6/2013  7:24 AM
Killa4luv wrote:We need a backup PG and we need a young athletic big man. Everything else we can deal with in terms of what we have.

We have a couple of holes that need filling and, a couple of spots that need to be upgraded. We truly, truly need a starting caliber 2guard. If JR is going to continue to come off the bench and Kidd -if he doesn't retire- can only play limited minutes and the question marks regarding his health will only increase.

2nd, we need as said by others, another Big, preferably a center. Wouldn't mind getting Moz back; it looks like Denver is ready to move him and never really made use of him. F-U Karl for demanding him and others just to try to fuk us over. Yeah, Moz is no dynamo but, Felton will make him look good again and he was serviceable when we had him.

3rd, we need another backup point guard. As mentioned, who knows how long Kidd will play or, how long his body will hold up. Prigs is no spring chicken and his body isn't accustomed to the amount of games played in the NBA. Hopefully he can stay healthy but, there are question marks all around the backup point spot so, that needs to be attended to.

Between Shump and JR (if we manage to keep him) the backup 2 & 3spots are pretty secure so, if we can upgrade and fill a few holes, we'll be good.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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2/6/2013  7:51 AM
we are stuck with JR. Knicks will give him a big contract because he will be more talented than any other options.
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2/6/2013  8:06 AM
fishmike wrote:we are stuck with JR. Knicks will give him a big contract because he will be more talented than any other options.

We only have early bird rights not full bird rights.

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