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1/28/2013  7:47 PM
I think a 6 6" pg who has mad handle, excellent court vision, perfect PnR passes, would do wonders under Woodson. Along with our shooting coach, i'm almost ready to give up a draft pick and copeland.

I saw him play a hand full of games earlier in the season when Rubio was out, he was pretty impressive, not sure the Twolves want a move him, but the thought of playing him next to 6 6" Jr smith, both have good speed..That would be very interesting, he had 18 5rbs 5ast against us in dec

This past season, Shved would often play in the backcourt with Milos Teodosic, one of the best PGs in Europe. They would split ballhandling duties and Shved was given a lot of responsibilities on the offensive end.

Shved is a handful in pick-n-roll, where he can hit pull-ups going both ways, get all the way to rim or drop sweet dishes to his teammates. Simply a great pick-n-roll player.

A terrific passer with impeccable timing and accuracy. Not quite as masterful as his new teammate, Ricky Rubio, but he's close.

Shows good patience by sucking extra defenders toward him and letting better passing angles develop. Fast with the ball and can really push the ball in transition.

Very good handle and keeps his dribble low. Very shifty--his use of hesitation and crossover moves is superb. Has the ability to stop on a dime with his dribble and change direction.

He's very adept at going away from ball screens as well. Doesn't always need a ball screen to get into the lane and thanks to his ball skills should fare decently in iso action in the NBA.

Handles well with both hands. Can drive the ball both ways, but seems to prefer to drive the ball left. Adept at hitting floaters or runners.

Pretty good finisher with both hands, but not great. Uses jump-stop at the rim well, which fakes out defenders to create space. Could do a better job getting a bit more air under the ball on some of his close-in attempts.

When looking to score in pick-n-roll, heavily preferred pulling-up as opposed to taking it to the rim. Of Shved's 187 scoring attempts in pick/roll action recorded by Synergy Sports Technology, he attempted 119 jumpers.

Has an element of carelessness to his game. His sometimes casual approach reminds you of Vince Carter--it seems like he's playing pickup basketball. It appears sometimes he's not too concerned with his mistakes.

Will fling up some dubious runners or off-balance jumpers haphazardly. His shot selection is questionable sometimes. Also expect some forced passes into traffic on occasion.

Rightfully so, there are some questions about how he will fare defensively in the NBA.

For what it's worth, he did grade out very well in iso situations. According to Synergy Sports, held his opponent to 17.6% shooting and forced turnovers on 15% of the iso possessions.

But these numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt as he was often aided by the timely backline help of the likes of Kirilenko, Khryapa, Krstic or Kaun. There were enough instances where he got blown-by to give you pause. Just tends to react slowly.

Though, his defensive stance is not bad and contests shots well. He does tend to do a nice job of shading his man toward help.

Shved will be running the point for Team Russia at the Olympics and played solid ball at the recent Pre-Olympic tourney. Averaged 10.5 ppg, 5 apg over four games, and kept his TOs to a minimum. But he threw up a fair amount of dicey shots which played a part in him shooting 34% overall.

Imagine the TWolves see him as a reserve combo guard this season. But will be interesting to see how much ball-handling he does with Ridnour and Barea currently on the roster.

Shved's talents allow for flexible lineups. Could play him next to Rubio, which makes for an intriguing combo. Could play him with Barea or Ridnour. Could play him with Brandon Roy in the backcourt.

Given Shved's mix of size, athleticism, ball-handling ability, deft passing and solid shooting, would not surprise if he becomes a solid starter in the NBA in the future.

At worst, Minnesota acquired a nice rotation player with great versatility and some flash to excite the crowd.

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1/28/2013  7:54 PM
Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?
Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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1/28/2013  7:55 PM
Does priggs have a no trade claus, I know he would not want to be shipped to no lottery rebuilding team..

I just think Shved gets us a little younger

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1/28/2013  7:57 PM
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

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1/28/2013  8:05 PM
I think they would look to move Barea or Ridnour before the potential of Shved
Since they invested in Roy and loss Budinger, they probably would not look to trade either though before the summer

Right now their PG/SG rotation is basically

Ridnour/Barea
Rubio/Shved *sometimes he plays SF*

While no one is really a Star or a supreme athlete, Twolves have some cap friendly PG/SG rotation with the Eurostyle of team ball
Rubio will need some time to get back to his former self and probably will be a candidate as he improves

had they not injured both Roy and Budinger, it is possible that they would look to move Barea
I wonder if Budinger is available, he is a UFA, and I think he is out for the year with possible poison pill waiting to happen during the summer

In the end, no, I don't see Twolves trading Shved, atleast not to us because we don't have any picks in the near future to offer

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1/28/2013  8:15 PM
There were a few us that wanted to grab him instead of the Greek dude. A couple of draft experts also thought he was the best Euro prospect, not Evan Fournier. I like his game. He reminds a little bit of Brent Barry/Doug Christie offensively. His D sucks tho and he's a little older than i realized.
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1/28/2013  8:19 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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1/28/2013  8:25 PM
Man that thread title is hard on the eye. I thought this was about Jasson Kidd.
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1/28/2013  8:34 PM
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

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1/28/2013  8:39 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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1/28/2013  8:42 PM
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.



yea that comment surprised me,

kirilenko is a top nba player, really an underrated guy

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1/28/2013  8:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/28/2013  9:00 PM
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA that does not have one black player as a starter, and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird in todays league

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1/28/2013  9:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA does not have one black starter and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird

minny has the most diverse roster in the nba, it should be celebrated

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1/28/2013  9:02 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA does not have one black starter and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird

minny has the most diverse roster in the nba, it should be celebrated

No one wants to celebrate losing season after losing seaosn..they need to make sense with what there trying to do, Love is already getting fustrated

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1/28/2013  9:04 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA that does not have one black player as a starter, and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird in todays league

And? Chris Copeland is a bench warmer. He's not going to help them, his value is way, way less than Shved's, and he's four years older. This trade makes no sense for Minnesota, doesn't help them improved this year, and doesn't add future value to their team.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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1/28/2013  9:05 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA does not have one black starter and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird

minny has the most diverse roster in the nba, it should be celebrated

No one wants to celebrate losing season after losing seaosn..they need to make sense with what there trying to do, Love is already getting fustrated

they're the type of team that is one move away from challenging,

LOADED with talent, one smart move can put them in contention, they have a HUGE asset in Love,

FLIP IT, KAHN!!! MAKE A MOVE!!!

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1/28/2013  9:27 PM
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA that does not have one black player as a starter, and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird in todays league

And? Chris Copeland is a bench warmer. He's not going to help them, his value is way, way less than Shved's, and he's four years older. This trade makes no sense for Minnesota, doesn't help them improved this year, and doesn't add future value to their team.

Shved's playing on a last place team, or close to last, he's numbers are not great, or even solid..he's value lies in his potential..Kahn as-we-know, is not the brightest GM in the league, at the rate he's going, he'll be fired before that team sniffs the playoffs...That franchise as a whole has made bone headed moves..They have yet to recover from trading KG

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1/28/2013  9:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
VCoug wrote:Why would Minnesota trade him to us for Copeland and a late 1st in 2018?

there not getting a whole lot from there #2 overall pick DERRICK WILLIAMS

And? Why would they trade a 24 year old rotational player for a 28 year old bench warmer? What does Copeland do that would make any team willing to give up something of value for him?

Score (29th) something they lack in..kirlenko, dante cunnigham, derrick williams, those are the fwds until Love gets back..

I would start copeland before any of those 3, Derrick williams is Invisible on the court..I'm not ready to call him a bust, but he's definitely not the 2nd best player out of his draft class by far..

Anyone who would start Copeland over Kirilenko has no idea what they're talking about. Kirilenko has been one of the better forwards in the league his entire career and one of the top defensive forwards. This season he's putting up 13.6 ppg, 6.7 reb, 3.1 ast, 1.2 blk, and 1.5 stl while shooting 51.5% from the field.


yes he is a solid defender and a starter on most teams, but the twolves can't score, the avg 94ppg.

The twolves have been just stock piling young talent, it's like the UN over there, as a matter of fact, they are the only team in THE NBA that does not have one black player as a starter, and believe this is not a race thing, it just weird in todays league

And? Chris Copeland is a bench warmer. He's not going to help them, his value is way, way less than Shved's, and he's four years older. This trade makes no sense for Minnesota, doesn't help them improved this year, and doesn't add future value to their team.

Shved's playing on a last place team, or close to last, he's numbers are not great, or even solid..he's value lies in his potential..Kahn as-we-know, is not the brightest GM in the league, at the rate he's going, he'll be fired before that team sniffs the playoffs...That franchise as a whole has made bone headed moves..They have yet to recover from trading KG

You're really grasping at straws here. As bad a GM as Kahn is I still don't understand why he would think trading Shved, a decent player with upside, for Copeland, a benchwarmer with no upside.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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1/28/2013  10:32 PM
Knicks are trying to win now. Shved would rot on the bench.
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1/28/2013  10:56 PM
JR for Shved
Anyone else like this kidd ALEXEY SHVED on the Twolves AS A KNICK

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