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Wojo Article:Maturation of 'Melo:Carmelo Anthony Shows Poise of MVP
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1/25/2013  9:29 AM


BOSTON – Down to the floor the Boston Celtics' Kevin Garnett tumbled on Thursday night, a failed lob pass leaving him stretched out on the Garden court. Out of nowhere, a most improbable arm reached down, clasped Garnett's hand and lifted him back to his feet. Out of nowhere, the message was unmistakable: The New York Knicks' Carmelo Anthony had come to beat Garnett with grace and guile, calm and composure.

"He fell," Anthony said later, "and I helped him up. I don't hold grudges."

Once, Anthony might have consumed himself with this feud, might have needed to validate an adolescent code and mete out some kind of retribution. Only, Anthony didn't come to Boston to escalate the embarrassing episode of Madison Square Garden. Anthony had come to eviscerate Garnett and an 11-game losing streak in the Boston Garden.

He had come to be a professional, a grown up and make no mistake: Carmelo Anthony had come a long, long way.

Seventeen days ago, Garnett had delivered onto Anthony one of his notoriously vile, personal on-court diatribes and made the man lose his mind. With too much on the line this season, too much possibility in the Knicks season, Anthony let Garnett take him out of a game, off the floor and all the way out to the Celtics bus.

So, Boston Garden security had to confiscate the predictable signs that Celtics fans planned to bring into the building. Red Auerbach would've allowed it, but he's gone, and a kinder Celtics regime wouldn't let those "Honey Nut Cheerios" signs into the Knicks' 89-86 victory on Thursday night.

[Also: Lakers will pay for doubling down on D'Antoni-Nash reunion]

Carmelo Anthony didn't have reason to confront Kevin Garnett in their latest meeting. (AP)This was a hard, humiliating lesson for Anthony, one that probably shouldn't have been needed so far into his NBA career. Shame on Garnett if he had again obliterated the lines of reasonable taste, but Anthony needed to understand something vital for the Knicks' chances of chasing a championship out of the Eastern Conference: No one and nothing should be able to deter him on this mission. If he wants to be an MVP candidate in the NBA – if he wants to elevate the Knicks over the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference – he can't let Garnett enrage him into 20 misses in Madison Square Garden, into a rampage out to the team bus that cost him a one-game suspension.

Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, Tim Duncan and Kevin Durant – superstars older and young – developed a fortification that would never allow Garnett to usurp them. That's still the issue. Beyond the Celtics, there are big, physical and mentally imposing teams in the East. They'll keep testing Anthony, keep pushing him to snap and he can't let it happen again.

"He responded exactly like he was supposed to," Knicks center Tyson Chandler said. ''The best way to get back is by getting a victory, especially in a place where we haven't won in a long time.'"

Eleven games had passed in Boston, and the Knicks hadn't won here. Now, they come with Chandler and Jason Kidd, with a re-emerging Amar'e Stoudemire and J.R. Smith. Now, they come with the best chance Anthony's had in his career to win a championship. He didn't shoot the ball well, but had 28 points and made the Celtics load up defensively on him.

Inside of the final minute on Thursday night, the Celtics had climbed within two points, the ball swung to Anthony and so did the double team. He didn't force a shot, but made the proper play. He passed, and soon the ball found J.R. Smith's hands for an open 3-pointer that ultimately secured the Knicks' victory.

"He trusts," Kidd said.

[Watch: Watch: Dwight Howard injured in Lakers loss to Memphis]

Anthony does trust these teammates, and this performance at the Garden gave them reason to trust him, too. This is his team, his time, and he had come to understand that his ultimate validation will come with keeping his mind and body right for a long, taxing journey. Looking back, Anthony believed his fasting had played a part with such an irritable, irrational response to Garnett at Madison Square Garden. He had eaten well on Thursday night, and responded with the wisdom of a franchise star.

They'll keep coming for Anthony this season, keep trying to get inside his head and get him to implode. History has shown him to be volatile, to be susceptible, but failures also have shown Anthony that there's no tough-guy validation left for him in basketball, no one worth chasing out to a locker room, a bus and ultimately out of his mind.

Carmelo Anthony reached down, grabbed Kevin Garnett's hand and pulled him to his feet. No grudges, 'Melo said. No hard feelings. Anthony had come to Boston to end this saga, end that long losing streak. Garnett had talked and talked and talked, but this is the way a superstar delivers the final word.

After all the missteps in his career, all the obliterated opportunities, grace and growth ruled the night for Carmelo Anthony. Yes, this was the resolve of a franchise player, reaching out with a helping hand for foe and his friends. This is how a star elevates everyone.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba---maturation-of--melo--carmelo-anthony-shows-poise-of-an-mvp-072945318.html

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1/25/2013  10:06 AM
I think "Cooch" will hate this but its not about being tough its about wins and the tough minded don't let the small stuff get in the way.

Its obvious melo is maturing and as he does his considerable talent is more effective.

This was no evident when "the trade" was made and there was reason for some to not be big fans of him in Denver.

The trade has worked out very nice for us and Denver. They are doing very well in their own way. Not just because of ex knicks but other moves they could make because of it.

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1/25/2013  10:39 AM
Doesn't Wojo know that Melo is not in the discussion.
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1/25/2013  11:15 AM
Nalod wrote:I think "Cooch" will hate this but its not about being tough its about wins and the tough minded don't let the small stuff get in the way.

Its obvious melo is maturing and as he does his considerable talent is more effective.

This was no evident when "the trade" was made and there was reason for some to not be big fans of him in Denver.

The trade has worked out very nice for us and Denver. They are doing very well in their own way. Not just because of ex knicks but other moves they could make because of it.

Nalod,I understand what you mean,citing my previous comments about being tough and kicking ass but last nite the cs were the ones complaining about fouls, and alto Melo musta bit a hole thru his tongue because he was hammered a few times he showed great composure all game. 1 thing my son and I dont understand,there were times in the game when the cs were looking for a foul call or fouled and responded with emotion that should have certainly been a tech foul call and werent called for the tech foul.Another thing we were wondering about, if this game wasnt on TNT and hadent been a nationally televised game, and only on MSG, would the NBA have let all the celtic fans bring in those signs to taunt Melo and the Knicks?

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1/25/2013  11:21 AM
Just to piggyback on the above,please explain to me what constitutes a walking violation,against the cs, in this game? The cs took steps so much it was like the subway is under the building and they were walking to catch a train. Surprised there werent more techs called because bravetta and joey crawford were doing the game. Just asking, were the refs told to hide the whistle at emotional responses from players,again because of the nature of this national game?
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1/25/2013  12:10 PM
Waiting for the Somberites to descend on this thread and turn it into another statistical LeQ/Durant/CP3 love fest.

While we wait, just a few thoughts.

If you channel your inner Melohater and peruse the Denver sites, you'll find almost all of them were chatting up the players they recieved, not any great strides they were going to make due to luxury tax savings or cap space. The players they got, who:
1) love to fight and play, just like Papa Karl wants them to
2) could be traded for pieces that fit the Karl mold even better

So. for the billionth time, lets recap shall we? And we'll let Denverstiffs.com do the talking for us:

... Billups is gone but Felton is back in New York, by way of Portland, and is performing better for the Knicks than Jeremy Lin did last season. More importantly, Felton seems to play well with Melo which Lin didn't and Felton's "star" will never be too big for Melo to play alongside him.

... Gallinari - whom some said they would have traded Melo straight up for last season - can't shoot straight, connecting on just 38% of his field goal attempts to date this season.

... Wilson Chandler - due to last season's hip surgery - can't stay healthy.

... Koufos has been an adequate starting center, but he's really just a seat-filler until JaVale McGee figures out how to play basketball.

... Mozgov has shown flashes of excitement, but he can't consistently get into George Karl's rotation and will probably be traded by February as he seems to be the odd man out at the center position for Denver.

So where the Nuggets are now has exactly what to do with the players they got for that pile of Melo-dew?

Slice it any way you want. Denver was going to the playoffs every year they had Melo. They are now still going to the playoffs. Are they going to the WCF with what they have now? Are they contenders for a chip? Spare me. I know, I know the west is tough. But by golly, it was tough when Melo was wearing that putrid pale blue uni and spending his time wondering if Karls face was finally going to fold in on itself. That was only three years ago, not 1990.

Where are the Knicks now versus pre-Melo. Hmmmmmm.

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1/25/2013  12:33 PM
NUPE wrote:Doesn't Wojo know that Melo is not in the discussion.

In the scussion but its between lebron and durant

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1/25/2013  1:26 PM
I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

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1/25/2013  1:26 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
NUPE wrote:Doesn't Wojo know that Melo is not in the discussion.

In the scussion but its between lebron and durant

Right on time, guns

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1/25/2013  1:26 PM
good piece. the most beautiful sequence of last night to me was late in the 4th when Kidd was looking to feed Melo but the Cs were overplaying the passing lane. The ball swung around to I think at least 3 other players, forcing the Cs to move. The ball swings back to Melo who can now easily receive the pass with a lane to the hoop and KG scrambling to get into position.

Easy bucket.

That's what Kidd has been saying. That he's told Melo he's the best player on the floor and to trust that when he gives up the ball, it'll find it's way back to him regardless.

If we go down in the playoffs and we're playing like THAT I can live with it. If we lose with Melo playing like Kobe on that smush parker team it'll leave a terrible taste in my mouth of what could have been.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/25/2013  1:28 PM
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

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1/25/2013  1:43 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

Knicks were 2 games over .500 when the trade was made.
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1/25/2013  1:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2013  1:51 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

Think about the comparison the original stat makes.
Comparing what each team is doing this second and not comparing the difference the trade made to each franchise is pure BS.

Is the first stat misleading? Were the Nuggets not playing over .600 ball for several seasons with Melo? I suppose he had nothing to do with that, either, right?

And no one is saying Denver made a bad trade, but they certainly have not been improved to the point the Knicks have with the trade.
Knicks win.

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1/25/2013  3:21 PM
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?


So the Nuggets are about the same with and without him? We have to go back to 2003-4 to make the winning percentage change look good for the Knicks?
Although his teammates were mostly underrated players, I think very few max contract players are blessed with the supporting cast Melo's had. Many of them look very good in the advanced stats, and since 2007-8 his teams have played closer to .600 ball without him (34-25). Usually teams really struggle without their max contract players. Not many have .600 level supporting casts.
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1/25/2013  3:34 PM
Throughout Melo's career his supporting cast has always been underrated while he as a player has been overrated. This isn't just a Melo/Knick fan relationship thing it's been this way since he's entered the NBA.

I made a detailed post outlining the one constant in Denver and it's George Karl say what you want about his philosophy and style of coaching but he's largely responsible for the success they've had post Nick Van Excel/Dyess/Lafrentz/ days.


Not to mention much easier to improve on a 40% win pace/average than a 60% win pace/average. It wasn't until like March of last year the team was playing .500 or better with Melo. It took dude a near year to show some impact. We're much better than .500 ball largely in part due to some additions this season not because of the acquisition of Melo almost 2 season later....

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1/25/2013  3:35 PM
Would it be okay to do the same for Joe Johnson's impact on the Nets this year compared to last year?
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jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

that is why I HATE stats. There are so many different stats analysis' and they can be be used to prove whatever you want. This thread is a case in point since one person listed stats that show the trade in a negative while another shows it in the positive. I am happy with Melo, stat be damned.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/25/2013  3:54 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

I think the only relevant point is that both teams have seemingly gotten what they wanted out of the trade. A win, win for both ball clubs.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/25/2013  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2013  5:15 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

I think the only relevant point is that both teams have seemingly gotten what they wanted out of the trade. A win, win for both ball clubs.


If The Nuggets trade Mozgov for either a 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th round pick I'm going to be like a Silver Back Gorilla at a zoo throwing my poo against the glass as little kids come up to antagonizing me....

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1/25/2013  4:16 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:I find it interesting how some flavor of this stat is always mentioned:
Nuggets are 66-45 (.595) since trading Carmelo Anthony Stat Knicks are 64-47 (.577) since acquiring Carmelo Anthony

...but this one never is:
From 2003-04 to the present, season over season, the
Nuggets were (.591) with Melo and are (.583) without Melo
Knicks were (.387) without Melo and are (.597) with Melo

Now who made out better with the trade?

The second stat is misleading, Knicks were playing above .500 the season of the trade, and Melo trade has nothing to do with the decade of garbage,

Denver didn't make a bad trade, they weren't going anywhere with Melo and now they are pretty much in the same place without him,

I think the only relevant point is that both teams have seemingly gotten what they wanted out of the trade. A win, win for both ball clubs.


First year and a half, we definitely didn't. We'll have to wait and see on this year. Depending on health, I could easily see anything from a 1st round playoff loss to a finals appearance.
Wojo Article:Maturation of 'Melo:Carmelo Anthony Shows Poise of MVP

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