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gunsnewing
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1/24/2013  1:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2013  2:24 PM
http://knicksnow.com/posts/2539/why-do-the-knicks-switch#.UQGKLB0R_h9
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As we reach the midpoint of the NBA season, teams are beginning to develop tendencies that will eventually become identities over the second half of the season and into the playoffs for 16 squads.

One observation of the Knicks defense is their tactical approach to switch on screens. For a team that only allows 96.3 points per game and sits in the second spot in the Eastern Conference, the gameplan has paid off thus far.

Assistant coach Herb Williams provides an explanation for the switch defense:

“You are trying to prevent yourself from getting into rotations all the time. If you are always chasing the basketball, the defense is never going to win. At some point and time, you have to control that ball and that’s why we switch a lot. At least we know where the ball is at, we know where we are trying to send them at, so we can control it. But, if your defense is chasing the offense, you will never win that game.”

With big and versatile guards, Jason Kidd, Iman Shumpert, James White, and even Ronnie Brewer at times, New York can switch on the perimeter. But how exactly does that assist the Defensive Player of the Year on the backside of the defense?

“It’s great for me because allows me to key-in on what’s really going on down low,” Tyson Chandler confirmed. “When we are able to switch, it takes offense right out of what they are trying to accomplish. Obviously, you run the pick-and-roll, different sets to create mismatches but if you are able to switch it creates no mismatch.”

Chandler looks at one specific team, the Boston Celtics as a prime example of how Shumpert strengthens the Knicks switch defense.

“When we switch, it’s not a mismatch, Shump is big enough to handle Paul [Pierce] or quick enough to guard [Rajon] Rondo, so itgives us the ability to switch at the top,” Chandler added.

If the New York guards attempted to fight over every screen, players like Rondo and Pierce could have a field day working pick-and-rolls or they will find open driving lanes to the rim, placing even more responsibility on Chandler to protect the rim.

“What happens sometimes if you don’t switch, Rondo is good enough to get in the lane, Paul is good enough to get in the lane. If that big hits that guard and he comes off of it then Paul is looking to go one-on-one,” Williams acknowledged.

The Knicks continue to adjust the gameplan and lineups due to the significant amount of injuries throughout the season. This is one aspect to New York’s defense that should improve and evolve over the second half of the year.


Sounds great now if only everyone is on the same page so the Knicks can execute it as well as the Pistons. Melo, JR and Amare constantly manage to screw it up because of lack of focus

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1/24/2013  2:13 PM
I don't see how this works, If tyson switches on to rondo some where above the 3 point line, rondo can easily crossover tyson and blow by him with a reverse layup(which he's so good at)he's also good at sharp cuts to the basket.

We get beat back door on a reg, mostly when amare decides to play his man, instead of seeing his man and the ball or coming to high up to guard the ball handler, thats bad defense.

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1/24/2013  2:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2013  2:14 PM
Well hopefully it improves. Right now we are in the bottom 3rd of the league in defense
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1/24/2013  2:18 PM
The better question is why do the Knicks trap/double the post?
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1/24/2013  2:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/24/2013  2:25 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:The better question is why do the Knicks trap/double the post?

Wasn't my question but Ballow's. Good point even when a scrub gets the ball in the post

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1/24/2013  2:31 PM
Big problem is Kidd can't stay in front of Rondo
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1/24/2013  2:46 PM
Stupid comments in that article.

You should only be switching if you aren't creating a mis-match.

The problem is that the Knicks are too fast to switch in many situations --- for example with Rondo --- the guy guarding the ball should be going under the screen and then staying with Rondo.

Some guys like Pierce are a bit more difficult because if you go under he knocks down the three -- if you go over the top -- he's still smart/quick enough to penetrate & score/dish to guy setting the pick or other player.

One of the good things about Tyson is his ability to move his feet and deal with some bad perimeter match-ups after we switch. Problem is when Amare is on the court (or in old days Eddy Curry) every team immediately sets a screen with their guy -- then we switch and you've got Amare guarding a quick point guard who breaks him down.

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1/24/2013  2:52 PM
Yup thats why some of the media is killing the knicks for switching to fast. This is why Jonah Ballow wrote this article in the knicks defense. He is a Garden paid employee
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1/24/2013  3:20 PM
the biggest issue last game was that garnett and pierce were setting picks for each other every time in crunch time against melo and chandler. they wanted chandler to guard pierce and melo to guard garnett because IT WAS a mismatch. if they don't fight over the picks tonight in that situation then that's crazy.

it'll be a real good sign if shumpert can keep rondo in front of him and in check. of course he should go under the screens to force rondo to shoot from outside.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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1/24/2013  3:35 PM
“When we are able to switch, it takes offense right out of what they are trying to accomplish. Obviously, you run the pick-and-roll, different sets to create mismatches but if you are able to switch it creates no mismatch.”
Chandler looks at one specific team, the Boston Celtics as a prime example of how Shumpert strengthens the Knicks switch defense.
“When we switch, it’s not a mismatch, Shump is big enough to handle Paul [Pierce] or quick enough to guard [Rajon] Rondo, so itgives us the ability to switch at the top,” Chandler added.

This is starting to make me doubt all the media hype about Chandler being a defensive genius.

Pick n rolls are the bread and butter of NBA offenses. They generally involve a big man like KG screening for a PG like Rondo. I have no idea how if Felton switched onto KG and Chandler switches onto Rondo there isn't a mismatch.

Why wouldn't a smart coach intentionally run pick and roll to get a mismatch? If we make 0 effort to get over a screen and we gift wrap a mismatch down low aren't we giving the offense exactly what they're trying to accomplish?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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1/24/2013  4:43 PM
Why don't they just play zone for a little while just to throw a wrinkle at the teams since our rebounding is so bad , make teams become great shooters but keep a man on top of a good shooter on the perimeter.
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1/24/2013  4:46 PM
We all hoped they would go to man last year in the playoffs vs Miami since Dallas beat Miami with the zone. Now its too late. Miami added Ray Allen
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1/24/2013  8:32 PM
playa2 wrote:Why don't they just play zone for a little while just to throw a wrinkle at the teams since our rebounding is so bad , make teams become great shooters but keep a man on top of a good shooter on the perimeter.

Woodson must have check the site out on his smart phone and took my advice

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1/24/2013  9:19 PM
playa2 wrote:
playa2 wrote:Why don't they just play zone for a little while just to throw a wrinkle at the teams since our rebounding is so bad , make teams become great shooters but keep a man on top of a good shooter on the perimeter.

Woodson must have check the site out on his smart phone and took my advice

Seriously I'm in shock. Wish they played zone vs Miami

A lot of media people were criticizing his switching to quick and too often. Guess he listened

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1/24/2013  9:24 PM
Switching isn't a problem if everyone is on the same page and you keep switching,

switching is a problem when the switching sequence breaks down and you miss a switch

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1/24/2013  9:49 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:Switching isn't a problem if everyone is on the same page and you keep switching,

switching is a problem when the switching sequence breaks down and you miss a switch

Right like Melo and JR do numerous times

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1/24/2013  10:47 PM
Props to Woody for going zone half of the game.
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1/24/2013  10:49 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Props to Woody for going zone half of the game.

+1999999999999999999

it was as important as coughlin calling some no huddle offense

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1/24/2013  10:56 PM
The perimeter switching isn't the problem, the problem occurs when the bigs (Chandler) switches onto a small.... What the Knicks should do when the big comes up for a PNR is trap the ball handler and force him away from the basket. Zone up behind the trap and that will give us enough time to recover.
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1/24/2013  10:58 PM
Uptown wrote:The perimeter switching isn't the problem, the problem occurs when the bigs (Chandler) switches onto a small.... What the Knicks should do when the big comes up for a PNR is trap the ball handler and force him away from the basket. Zone up behind the trap and that will give us enough time to recover.

I was just think the same thing earlier today. Pgs like Rondo should get trapped but teams rarely do that. The Cs almost always get the switch they want partly because Kg get away with moving

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