Its not how you push back that counts but how you absorb the punch but keep focused and execute.

Respect is grabbing the "W".

If Melo is the alpha dog on this sled then all look to him for leadership and our leading man becomes a "man on fire" when physical. Nets built their lead on pushing him around and he gets out of his rhythm and plays physical. Usually players get offensive fouls or commit on the defensive end and their head explodes.

Its not about Novak being soft. He has to hit the shot. JR seems to be the most level headed at times.

Amare is a finess type player and when he rages usually its turn over time.

The word is out: be physical with melo! If he goes to the basket he gets pounded.

To his credit he did not go into Iso mode and his ball movement was very good down the stretch when he was wild.

I think thats why the game went down to the wire.

Melo did not totally lose it and we almost won.

I don't see yesterdays loss as a disaster. There was control, ball movement. Maybe they are improving.

cooch2584 wrote:Nalod,Im not talking about throwing punches and such,but I think Tyson keeps thinking that theres no one behind him either on the court or on the bench that backs him up if he trys for a block and gets called for the foul. We have to get into the "NO LAYUP" mood because other teams are floating down the middle too much for my taste. We need a player thats not gonna back away and gonna knock people down when they hit the lane. Waiting for Sheed or Camby might take too long and put us outta the hunt. Get Kmart/and or him and another big body to back up Melo and Tyson.

Was using the term "punch" as figure of speech.

We have two guys injured that address this. Bringing in Martin and integrating him might not be the answer.

If we have another injury perhaps.

I don't think we should change too much now and adapt a "no layup" rule in part because we don't absorb the retaliation well.

Im not panicing yet.

Knicks coming down to earth a bit is more within my expectation. I called for 52 wins before Amare got hurt and reacted to bring it down to 48 wins. I did not think we could be that good so early without him. Still 3 months left to the season, its a long time for things to go either way.

jrodmc wrote:I can't wait to start reading posts later on this season about how the N*yets "kicked our teeth in" twice this year.
JR's shot goes in and maybe we have a different ending.

Relax, boat jumpers, we lost by three. It wasn't a 30 point blow out.

Oh and the new math tells me 14-6 = .700 at home. Only.
Get me the posts that shows me who didn't want to sign up for playing .700 ball at home halfway through the season.

It's not that we're currently 14-6, it's that we started out 10-0 and have gone 4-6 since then.

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I can't wait to start reading posts later on this season about how the N*yets "kicked our teeth in" twice this year.
JR's shot goes in and maybe we have a different ending.

Relax, boat jumpers, we lost by three. It wasn't a 30 point blow out.

Oh and the new math tells me 14-6 = .700 at home. Only.
Get me the posts that shows me who didn't want to sign up for playing .700 ball at home halfway through the season.

It's not that we're currently 14-6, it's that we started out 10-0 and have gone 4-6 since then.

Yes, of course, I forgot, I've picked us to win all our games, too. Both home and away.
Trends. There so hard to ignore.

VCoug wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I can't wait to start reading posts later on this season about how the N*yets "kicked our teeth in" twice this year.
JR's shot goes in and maybe we have a different ending.

Relax, boat jumpers, we lost by three. It wasn't a 30 point blow out.

Oh and the new math tells me 14-6 = .700 at home. Only.
Get me the posts that shows me who didn't want to sign up for playing .700 ball at home halfway through the season.

It's not that we're currently 14-6, it's that we started out 10-0 and have gone 4-6 since then.

Yes, of course, I forgot, I've picked us to win all our games, too. Both home and away.
Trends. There so hard to ignore.

joec32033 wrote:The Knicks need grimey back. Evans is basically the nets version of Rasheed. He is the guy that is gonna put a pounding on you and is that grimey guy ALL good teams have. The Spurs had Bowen, Lakers got Artest, Celts got KG, the Thunder have Perkins, Miami has Joel Anthony and Haslem. They dont need anything huge but they need a guy, preferably one to fill into that 3 spot, that has that attitude.

Yep,GRIMEY knockem down in the lane defenders. NO LAYUPS,PAY FOR YOUR FOUL SHOTS

Nalod wrote:
Knicks could have won that game last nite and I doubt we having much of this conversation.

It was a close game. Knicks basically shut down the Nets for 5 minutes down stretch.

Nets are 9-1. Only OKC is 8-2, 7 teams are 7-3, including the hornets!

They are hot and sitting only a game behind. (two in the loss).

Thursday should be interesting.

Thursday should be one hell of a game. I hope JVG is doing the play by play becausehe knows the style our Knicks hafta play. MY KNICKS, put on the elbow pads,hip pads and chest protection because WE HAFTA GET UGLY.

cooch2584 wrote:We have to get into the playoff foul mode. Much like the Cs do,foul until the refs call it.They cant call every foul so hit them until the whistle blows. We must stop trying to be a finesse team because finesse doesnt win titles,hard fouling grinding games win the CHIP.

But, if we are not big and athletic enough to do this then is it better to play to our strengths then weekness? Im sure we all not have our team be pushed around and be men playing "old school" ball being like Oak, but is that a winning formula?

I agree the tough need to get it done but Miami was not that kind of team last year, nor was Dallas the year before.

If its not our make up, why go there?

cooch2584 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:We have to get into the playoff foul mode. Much like the Cs do,foul until the refs call it.They cant call every foul so hit them until the whistle blows. We must stop trying to be a finesse team because finesse doesnt win titles,hard fouling grinding games win the CHIP.

But, if we are not big and athletic enough to do this then is it better to play to our strengths then weekness? Im sure we all not have our team be pushed around and be men playing "old school" ball being like Oak, but is that a winning formula?

I agree the tough need to get it done but Miami was not that kind of team last year, nor was Dallas the year before.

If its not our make up, why go there?

Because its gonna trickle down to all the teams that we go against in the playoffs. We MUST show we aint gonna get pushed around and hafta ou punishment to teams that come down the lane,in our house or a road teams game. Just like teams know now that to beat the Knicks,they must double and triple team Melo,acting like tough guys against us is gonna get under our skins. We must go old school and kick some butts,take names and get on an even plain in the agressive dept. Even tho its before the all star break we must develop a tough guy team.We are gonna need it in the playoffs.

Watch the highlights again. How many open, uncontested layups did the N*yets make? Our interior defense prior to the fourth quarter was abominable. Too many sets where JR, Cope, even Tyson, for the love of sheehit, are standing around wondering "hey, where'd that guy come from?" Amare looked lost on D at times. Is everyone suddenly afraid of fouling out? Hey Woody, how about coaches run for each quarter without an uncontested lay up?

JJ was hotter than crap. He doesn't get those two early fouls (questionable at best) and it probably is alot less of a game than it was. At least in the first half. He looked like he could of thrown the ball in from the BQE with his eyes closed. No stopping that, although JR, raise your hands son. Those hops can work nice getting in the bad man's face, too, you know.

N*yets shooting 50% from three from here on in? I don't think so.