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Nalod
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12/7/2012  10:26 AM

Since we all so giddy with new threads and I read in the heat of post victory glory and afterglow some wonderful comments about MDA, I looked up a stat that was interesting:

Knicks took 135 shots last nite. 44 from 3pt.

HEat took 94 shots last nite. 16 from 3pt.

There was no superstar go to guy.

Felton had his best game.

What you saw was Linsanity but this time with Felton.

Most important stat was the team hits hit shots.

Make no doubt that was a great win and without Melo its great that we can do this.

But......thats one game and I don't think the team can or should even try to do this every game.

This was a marquee matchup and knicks went all in and played GREAT DEFENSE.

Woodson did a great job last nite and is the COTY so far. Good coaches take from others and Last nite he borrowed SSOL. Its ok as long as he puts it back in the binder and does not use it every nite. This is how you beat the Heat. Wear them down.

I am in no way saying or diluting Melo or Amare here. WE need them to be a big part of this team.

64 games to go. One at at time.

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12/7/2012  10:31 AM
Not even close to SSOL. Only resemblance was the amount of 3s. Lin would never shoot 10 threes and make a high percentage like Felton.

Woody may have copped a few plays off D'Antoni, especially the High PnR with Felton and Chandler, but this is all Woodson's stamp.

Don't devalue it with SSOL or D'Antoni garbage.

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12/7/2012  10:38 AM
We beat Miami by 20 points twice.

I see no D'antoni style basketball whatsoever.

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12/7/2012  10:39 AM
So what system was Don Nelson running for years before D'Antoni.

Jacking 3's isn't a new concept.

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12/7/2012  10:39 AM
Yeah, Nalod. Besides, didn't you get the memo? MDA never ran SSOL here. According to Nix, it was his half court stuff mostly. Also known as Seven seconds or mess.
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12/7/2012  10:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2012  10:48 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Not even close to SSOL. Only resemblance was the amount of 3s. Lin would never shoot 10 threes and make a high percentage like Felton.

Woody may have copped a few plays off D'Antoni, especially the High PnR with Felton and Chandler, but this is all Woodson's stamp.

Don't devalue it with SSOL or D'Antoni garbage.


I thought the shooting % was going to be different but it was not that far off.

Again, we took 41 more shots than Miami last nite.

We hit 45% vs 42% for Heat from 2pt
We hit 41 vs. 42% from the 3.
WE took 19 ft's vs 28 FT.

So how the hell do you win by 20?

1. Good Defense.
2. Felton took 20 shots, 10 from 3pt.
3. Out shoot your opponent.

Im not saying MDA should come back, Im saying Woodson without his star player had to do something to compensate.

MVP last nite? The playbook. Not set plays, but the what we saw last nite with ball movement was very "linsane". Remenber, Lin was not the only player out there. Felton had a hell of a 2nd half and knicks scored 37 pts in the third.

This is a compliment to Woodson for adaptation to his roster and opponent. HIs players like him, believe in him and had buy in.

Major component of MDA was to take more shots than your opponent. We took 41 more last nite.

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12/7/2012  10:49 AM
If you're going to make comparisons to D'antoni basketball and the Knicks, perhaps you should do it when they lose to a team they're supposed to beat. That's a little more suitable, since he had several losing seasons here.
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12/7/2012  10:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2012  10:51 AM
ramtour420 wrote:Yeah, Nalod. Besides, didn't you get the memo? MDA never ran SSOL here. According to Nix, it was his half court stuff mostly. Also known as Seven seconds or mess.

LOL, he never ran it but we are running now??? Thank goodness for the ignore feature!!!
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12/7/2012  10:55 AM
Low TO's mean more shot attempts
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12/7/2012  10:55 AM
Please lets stop bringing in mda and his style and NOT comparing felton to linsanity.GET OVER THE 2,WILL YAS? Let history be history and live for today.
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12/7/2012  11:01 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:If you're going to make comparisons to D'antoni basketball and the Knicks, perhaps you should do it when they lose to a team they're supposed to beat. That's a little more suitable, since he had several losing seasons here.

Ok, we lose a game then slam woodson for being stubburn and not adapting?

Im not saying MDA invented uptempo ball. Im saying that woodson has played for Bobby Knight and Red Holzman (KNicks acutally did not do well in his second stint)and was assistant coach for: Chris Ford in MIlwaukee, Randy Whitman in Clevelend and with Larry Brown in both PHilly and Detroit.

MDA is stil valid and sought after by both Coach K and Mitch Kupchak for his offensive acumen.

It would be ignorant to not use what you know.

This game was not coached by MDA, but Woodson was there for Linsanity and so was Novak. Kidd was huge for us last nite giving us quality 31 minutes!

Woodson was the MVP last nite!

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12/7/2012  11:04 AM
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:If you're going to make comparisons to D'antoni basketball and the Knicks, perhaps you should do it when they lose to a team they're supposed to beat. That's a little more suitable, since he had several losing seasons here.

Ok, we lose a game then slam woodson for being stubburn and not adapting?

Im not saying MDA invented uptempo ball. Im saying that woodson has played for Bobby Knight and Red Holzman (KNicks acutally did not do well in his second stint)and was assistant coach for: Chris Ford in MIlwaukee, Randy Whitman in Clevelend and with Larry Brown in both PHilly and Detroit.

MDA is stil valid and sought after by both Coach K and Mitch Kupchak for his offensive acumen.

It would be ignorant to not use what you know.

This game was not coached by MDA, but Woodson was there for Linsanity and so was Novak. Kidd was huge for us last nite giving us quality 31 minutes!

Woodson was the MVP last nite!

That I can agree with.

Anything giving MDA any sort of credit or imprint or blueprint for last night's win is phucking bogus.

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12/7/2012  11:07 AM
Anji wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Yeah, Nalod. Besides, didn't you get the memo? MDA never ran SSOL here. According to Nix, it was his half court stuff mostly. Also known as Seven seconds or mess.

LOL, he never ran it but we are running now??? Thank goodness for the ignore feature!!!

Talking 41 more shots than opponents. this is break down analysis of what we did last nite to freaking blow out the heat on a road game.

WE ran a variant of ssol last nite. When they focused on Tyson and the PNR we adapted and blew them out!

Anyone else just want to jump up and down and praise how great we are or talk basketball? MDA is part of our history and our head coach was under him a year. If Coach K is ok with adopting his offense once in a while, its ok for Woodson also!

Y'all think MDA was the sole cause of the last 4 years and those three letters should never be spoken again then your some igorant homers posing in the Mecca!

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12/7/2012  11:09 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:If you're going to make comparisons to D'antoni basketball and the Knicks, perhaps you should do it when they lose to a team they're supposed to beat. That's a little more suitable, since he had several losing seasons here.

Ok, we lose a game then slam woodson for being stubburn and not adapting?

Im not saying MDA invented uptempo ball. Im saying that woodson has played for Bobby Knight and Red Holzman (KNicks acutally did not do well in his second stint)and was assistant coach for: Chris Ford in MIlwaukee, Randy Whitman in Clevelend and with Larry Brown in both PHilly and Detroit.

MDA is stil valid and sought after by both Coach K and Mitch Kupchak for his offensive acumen.

It would be ignorant to not use what you know.

This game was not coached by MDA, but Woodson was there for Linsanity and so was Novak. Kidd was huge for us last nite giving us quality 31 minutes!

Woodson was the MVP last nite!

That I can agree with.

Anything giving MDA any sort of credit or imprint or blueprint for last night's win is phucking bogus.

Nobody gave MDA credit. Its was obvious to me the offense we ran last nite in absence of Melo.

41 more shots. Not one taken by MDA BTW!

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12/7/2012  11:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2012  11:10 AM
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:If you're going to make comparisons to D'antoni basketball and the Knicks, perhaps you should do it when they lose to a team they're supposed to beat. That's a little more suitable, since he had several losing seasons here.

MDA is stil valid and sought after by both Coach K and Mitch Kupchak for his offensive acumen.

Woodson prioritizes defense over all other aspects of the game, and yet even he runs a better offense than D'antoni.

What offensive acumen are you referring to?

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12/7/2012  11:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/7/2012  11:13 AM
Woodson told Hahn he doesn't call plays on offense and lets the players run their own plays for the most part until a time out is needed
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12/7/2012  11:14 AM
Nalod wrote:
Anji wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Yeah, Nalod. Besides, didn't you get the memo? MDA never ran SSOL here. According to Nix, it was his half court stuff mostly. Also known as Seven seconds or mess.

LOL, he never ran it but we are running now??? Thank goodness for the ignore feature!!!

Talking 41 more shots than opponents. this is break down analysis of what we did last nite to freaking blow out the heat on a road game.

WE ran a variant of ssol last nite. When they focused on Tyson and the PNR we adapted and blew them out!

Anyone else just want to jump up and down and praise how great we are or talk basketball? MDA is part of our history and our head coach was under him a year. If Coach K is ok with adopting his offense once in a while, its ok for Woodson also!

Y'all think MDA was the sole cause of the last 4 years and those three letters should never be spoken again then your some igorant homers posing in the Mecca!

Give me a break. You and Nixluva are delusional. Only similiarities is the High PnR. He ran alot of ISOs for Ray and JR. MDA teams in NY led the league in turnovers. We committed like 7 or 8 I think. MDA never posted anyone EVER! Rasheed was on the blocks for at least a handful of plays.

If you're talking about the spread offense, every team has a variant, where they have a guy sitting in the corner waiting for the swing pass if the initial play breaks down.

These things you're seeing have been around forever. Don Nelson ran a variant with Run TMC in the early 90s. The Sacramento Kings of the mid 90s used to run a variant.

The only thing D'Antoni is really credited is SSOL. We don't run that, we use clock, alot of it.

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12/7/2012  11:14 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:If you're going to make comparisons to D'antoni basketball and the Knicks, perhaps you should do it when they lose to a team they're supposed to beat. That's a little more suitable, since he had several losing seasons here.

Ok, we lose a game then slam woodson for being stubburn and not adapting?

Im not saying MDA invented uptempo ball. Im saying that woodson has played for Bobby Knight and Red Holzman (KNicks acutally did not do well in his second stint)and was assistant coach for: Chris Ford in MIlwaukee, Randy Whitman in Clevelend and with Larry Brown in both PHilly and Detroit.

MDA is stil valid and sought after by both Coach K and Mitch Kupchak for his offensive acumen.

It would be ignorant to not use what you know.

This game was not coached by MDA, but Woodson was there for Linsanity and so was Novak. Kidd was huge for us last nite giving us quality 31 minutes!

Woodson was the MVP last nite!

That I can agree with.

Anything giving MDA any sort of credit or imprint or blueprint for last night's win is phucking bogus.


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12/7/2012  11:15 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Low TO's mean more shot attempts

How is that accomoplished? More ball control with less PNR's LAST NITE. Thats some of it.

Im not talking about the whole season.

Read my post. Im not saying should adapt this for the season. MDA would have not adapted on a per game basis.

Remember Felton came thru the North Carolina system and played for Larry in CLT. Woodson was an assistant for brown in Philly and Detroit. MDA lets his points run wild, not Brown. He likes more contol. Last nite Heat could not read us fast enough.

The game had elements that was fasinating to watch . If you some of you just want to go off on non basketball diatribe im sure there are other threads we can/will do that.

Anyone want to talk about what woodson did to compensate his deficit in losing Melo?

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12/7/2012  11:18 AM
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Low TO's mean more shot attempts

How is that accomoplished? More ball control with less PNR's LAST NITE. Thats some of it.

Im not talking about the whole season.

Read my post. Im not saying should adapt this for the season. MDA would have not adapted on a per game basis.

Remember Felton came thru the North Carolina system and played for Larry in CLT. Woodson was an assistant for brown in Philly and Detroit. MDA lets his points run wild, not Brown. He likes more contol. Last nite Heat could not read us fast enough.

The game had elements that was fasinating to watch . If you some of you just want to go off on non basketball diatribe im sure there are other threads we can/will do that.

Anyone want to talk about what woodson did to compensate his deficit in losing Melo?

6 scorers in double figures. Besides PnR with Tyson, alot of ISO with Ray and JR.

I hope you know ball movement was not created by MDA.

If only MDA had Dave Hopla to make him look like a genius instead of a retard...

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