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10/16/2012  2:02 PM
That's all I got from it. Think he's way too down on Felton. What can I say I'm a sucker for "in the best shape of his life and ready to turn a page" preseason type stories. Still might be right about 1st round exit again though:

Overview
Does anyone know what the Knicks are right now? Including the Knicks?

Are they a defensive-minded team anchored by a dominant center? A free-wheeling, quick-gunning team in the mold of recent Nuggets teams? (They now employ four former Nuggets who will be in their rotation.) A classic pick-and-roll team that runs everything through its dynamic point guard?

Actually, scratch that last one. The Knicks' curious decision to jettison Jeremy Lin will loom over this season whether they like it or not, especially if Lin plays well in Houston. (As he's likely to.)

That would be fine if this was part of some overarching strategy, but the biggest dilemma for the Knicks heading into this season is one of identity.

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Are they going all-in for a title? Not really, looking at their starting backcourt.

Are they in spend-at-all-costs mode? They were, right up to the point where they let Lin and Landry Fields walk in restricted free agency. That's right, the free-spending, bigger-market-than-anybody-else Knicks gave up not one, but TWO restricted free agents this summer.

Are they building around defense? That was their strength last season, but they have one good defensive player in their starting five (arguably two, depending on whom they start at shooting guard), and their two highest-paid players are sieves.

About the best coherent statement one can make is that the Knicks are built around the idea that Carmelo Anthony is a superstar. That's the only way to make sense of letting Lin go while spending all the money they could find on role players who can defend and shoot. Anthony, alas, hasn't performed to that caliber, as the Knicks' record since acquiring him (51-44) makes clear, but it appears New York is committed to this idea for a while longer. As New York is to the notion that Amare Stoudemire is still an elite player and one who should be starting alongside Anthony. However, the two have rarely succeeded on the court together, with Anthony in particular playing far better as a 4 sans Stoudemire. (One wonders why the Knicks can't simply bring Stoudemire off the bench.)

Thus, the biggest paradox of all: The two big beliefs upon which the Knicks are built actually collide with one another. Anthony is possibly a superstar as a 4 -- his data is good enough from that position that we can't rule it out. But he can't play there if Stoudemire is.

2011-12 Recap

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A long and winding first season for the Knicks' star trio ended in familiar fashion: a first-round exit.
Well, they kept things interesting. New York's season went in three phases: early disaster, Linsanity and the Woodson era. The Knicks began the season with a makeshift bench and a game plan of playing through Anthony and Stoudemire, one that proved deficient when Stoudemire showed staggering decline from his previous season. Making matters worse was the total collapse by point guard Toney Douglas, leaving a gaping hole at that position as the Knicks limped to an 8-15 start.

Here's where a lot of credit has to go to New York's management -- through a number of shrewd (and, believe it or not, inexpensive) moves, the Knicks were able to build out a very respectable bench. Rookie Iman Shumpert showed he was a capable defender, scrap-heap pickup Steve Novak proved both an elite 3-point marksman and a less flammable defender than expected, and post-China import J.R. Smith and amnesty casualty Baron Davis stabilized a creaking rotation.

And a little-known waiver-wire pickup named Jeremy Lin started getting minutes. Which takes us to the second part: Linsanity. I assume you're all familiar with the story by now, as Lin spent a few weeks carving up opposing defenses in Mike D'Antoni's point guard-friendly attack while Melo was injured. When Anthony came back, alas, the good times quickly stopped rolling, and it cost D'Antoni his job.

HOLLINGER'S '11-12 STATS
W-L: 36-30 (Pythagorean W-L: 42-24)
Offensive Efficiency: 101.4 (19th)
Defensive Efficiency: 98.4 (5th)
Pace Factor: 95.7 (5th)
Highest PER: Carmelo Anthony (21.15)

Enter Mike Woodson, who remade the Knicks into a different kind of team, one dependent on Anthony, still, but more defensive-minded and, thanks to the front office's work, deeper. Lin checked out with a knee injury, and New York thrived with Anthony playing the 4 while Stoudemire was hurt. But when Stoudemire came back, the Knicks reverted to their old ways and were summarily dismissed in the playoffs by Miami.

That series also featured two bad injuries for New York that will affect this season: Shumpert and Davis both blew out their knees. Shumpert might return later in the season, but Davis is highly unlikely to play in 2012-13, if ever again.

It's hard to digest New York's full-season stats because it basically had three different teams, but overall, the emphasis on the 3 stands out. The Knicks were second only to Orlando, with 28.8 percent of their shots coming from beyond the arc. Between the 3s and a high free throw rate, they were fifth in the league in secondary percentage.

They finished below the league average in offensive efficiency anyway, and the reason was turnovers. New York gave it away on 16.6 percent of its trips, ranking 27th among the league's 30 teams, and this was consistent no matter which "era" we're talking about. With Douglas a mess and Anthony flailing as a point forward, the pre-Lin Knicks were a high-mistake bunch. Lin, for all his strengths, was a turnover machine. And while the mistakes calmed a bit under Woodson, the issue persisted.

New York finished a surprising fifth in defensive efficiency, with the Woodson group performing particularly well. Chandler had a huge effect and won the defensive player of the year award for his efforts, but New York also forced turnovers in bunches. Only Memphis was more successful, and only the Grizzlies permitted fewer opponent shot attempts per possession. As a result, the Knicks could succeed despite average shooting defense (52.6 opponent true shooting percentage, against the league average of 52.7).

One can argue they should have succeeded more, actually. New York won 36 games but had the scoring margin of a 42-win team, and it had nearly the same point differential as Indiana, which won 10 more games.

Offseason Moves

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Even after captivating New York City during Linsanity, Jeremy Lin was allowed to flee to Houston.
It was a typical Knicks summer in which they used every available exception and sign-and-trade possibility to rope in every player they possibly could, expenses be damned. ... Right up until it came time to match offer sheets for their starting backcourt. The decision not to might well haunt them this season.

Drafted Kostas Papanikolaou. A very good pick in the second round, but one rendered irrelevant by the next move.

Let Jeremy Lin go; traded Dan Gadzuric, Jared Jeffries, a 2016 second-rounder and the rights to Kostas Papanikolaou to Portland for a signed-and-traded Raymond Felton (four years, $15 million) and Kurt Thomas. This was the most baffling part of New York's offseason -- declining to match an offer sheet to Lin and then spending equivalent money to get veterans Felton and Camby, and giving up assets to do it. Felton had an awful season in Portland, and while he might be a bit better in New York it's still a stretch to call him a legit starting NBA point guard at this point. Lin wasn't a great fit with Melo, but even so he was likely to badly outperform Felton. And the Knicks gave up two second-rounders, Papanikolaou and the 2016 pick, to do it. The 2016 second-rounder is top-37 protected, for what it's worth.

Let Landry Fields go; signed Jason Kidd for three years, $9 million: On paper, Kidd might be the Knicks' starting shooting guard this season. One can argue this position suits him better, as he is much more effective guarding 2s than 1s and effectively plays a spot-up shooting role in half-court offensive sets. More worrisome is that New York guaranteed three years to a 39-year-old point guard who clearly took a step back in 2011-12. As for Fields, Toronto made an absurd offer sheet in the hopes of derailing New York's plans to trade for Steve Nash (remember that?). Even given the Knicks' spend-at-all-costs approach, it wasn't a big shock to see them stick Toronto with this contract.

Traded Toney Douglas, Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrellson, cash and two second-round picks to Houston for a signed-and-traded Marcus Camby (three years, $14 million): New York filled its hole at backup center, although only by somewhat overpaying the declining Camby and surrendering a few useful assets -- not only two second-rounders, but Harrellson, who had shown some uses as a pick-and-pop big man and who now will play against the Knicks in Miami.

One should note that the Knicks pulled off this move and the Felton trade only by signing Gadzuric, Jordan and Harrellson to deals with non-guaranteed second years, a bit of cap-planning foresight that let them participate in the free-agent market via sign-and-trades despite being over the cap. Alas, this window will be closed for luxury tax-paying teams after this season, and the Knicks most likely will be in the tax for the next three years.

Let Mike Bibby, Bill Walker and Baron Davis go; signed Ronnie Brewer, James White and Pablo Prigioni to one-year minimum deals: Getting Brewer for the minimum was the biggest coup of New York's offseason; while he slumped in Chicago last season, he's still a very good defender and his knack for cutting off the ball could prove useful here. In fact, it's possible he will start at the 2.

White and Prigioni are more speculative plays. Prigioni's translated European stats suggest he won't accomplish much, and he's 35 years old, so I don't understand New York's motivation for that deal. White also has bounced around for years, but if he knocks down corner 3s, he will be an upgrade on Walker and could steal some minutes as a backup small forward.

Re-signed J.R. Smith for two years, $5.7 million: This was the most New York could pay Smith, who became the go-to guy for New York's second unit after returning from China. While the Knicks likely gave him too much rope offensively, this is a decent price for his contribution. The deal contains an opt-out option for after the season that Smith is likely to use, but he'll be an early Bird free agent and New York can sign him for up to $4.9 million a year at that point.

Re-signed Steve Novak for four years, $15 million: Novak's big payday came after the Players Association won a court case to establish his Bird rights, even though he had been waived before New York claimed him. (The same case also affected Lin.) Had that not happened, the Knicks almost certainly would have lost Novak to another team. At this price, Novak's deal is decent as long as he can play passable defense, which he did for the first time last season. His shooting ability is obviously not in doubt.

Signed Rasheed Wallace for one year, minimum: Unlike New York's other dice rolls on ancient players, this one carried no risk in terms of years or dollars and, as a result, is a much more acceptable gamble. Wallace's conditioning fell off dramatically in his final two seasons, and one doesn't get the impression he's been running stairs and drinking protein shakes in retirement. Nonetheless, his size, shooting ability and defensive IQ give him a chance to provide some decent minutes off the bench.

2012-13 Outlook

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For better or worse, Amare Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler will lead N.Y. again.
Once again, this team is likely to have more sizzle than steak. New York did all the classic win-the-news-conference Knicks stuff you're used to by now -- giving long-term deals to declining veterans, trading their draft picks eons ago and letting their best young players leave.

With all that said, this won't be a terrible team, and had Shumpert not hurt his knee, you could make a stronger case that it might earn a top-four seed. The Knicks are going to disappoint offensively as long as they insist on playing Anthony and Stoudemire alongside each other, and that suboptimal setup comes with the added negative of anemic scoring from the backcourt.

That said, the Knicks had a ton of similar problems last season and still won games. No matter how bad Felton is, he'll be better than Douglas or Bibby was, and while Kidd is a shadow of what he was, he and Brewer are unlikely to be appreciably worse than Fields. Similarly, Camby, for all his faults, is a genuine upgrade on the Jared Jeffries-Harrellson combo that previously backed up Chandler.

In an Eastern Conference in which several teams are likely to land within a few games of each other, that yields a wide range of landing spots for the 'Bockers. If everything goes right -- meaning Melo and Chandler stay healthy, Felton lays off the bonbons, and the defensive effort of this past spring sustains itself -- one can see New York winning the division at or near 50 wins. This is particularly true if the Knicks change their stubborn course, start Anthony at the 4 and bring Stoudemire off the bench.

However, we don't do forecasts based on best-case scenarios. New York doesn't have a ton of depth, it's counting on older players and there's a chance Stoudemire's decline will continue into the abyss this season. The more likely outcome is that the Knicks will remain somewhat above-average defensively, thanks largely to Chandler, but that a middling offense will condemn them to another one-and-done postseason.


Prediction: 45-37, 4th in Atlantic, tied for 6th in Eastern Conference

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10/16/2012  2:16 PM
Obviously written well before the pre-season started...
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10/16/2012  2:20 PM
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

i have a feeling many nba writers will be eating a lot of crow. Obviously we need to stay healthy but i think we are gonna have a special year. I mean if brewer/shump are both healthy than the perimeter will be locked up and if camby is healthy nobody will get through tyson/marcus

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10/16/2012  2:29 PM
Holliger is only down because he made similar predictions last year and was pretty spot on. He basically predicted we will have the same record as last season (translated to a full 82 games of course) even though we have a better roster, a healthy core coming into training camp and preseason, a great regular season finish to last season under a new coach, and plus had a point differential of a team who would have averaged about 50 wins. So if we still have chemistry issues, health issues, and coaching issues, which is what i'm assuming he thinks will happen, it is pretty safe to say we will have similar season to last season. If things actually go right, we will be that much better. Of course Holliger would preview the Knicks with worst case scenario predictions.
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10/16/2012  2:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2012  2:35 PM
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

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10/16/2012  2:37 PM
Knixkik wrote:Holliger is only down because he made similar predictions last year and was pretty spot on. He basically predicted we will have the same record as last season (translated to a full 82 games of course) even though we have a better roster, a healthy core coming into training camp and preseason, a great regular season finish to last season under a new coach, and plus had a point differential of a team who would have averaged about 50 wins. So if we still have chemistry issues, health issues, and coaching issues, which is what i'm assuming he thinks will happen, it is pretty safe to say we will have similar season to last season. If things actually go right, we will be that much better. Of course Holliger would preview the Knicks with worst case scenario predictions.

He did say best case scenario was 50 wins and possibly the 4th seed as the Eastern Conference is wide open after Miami.

Felton should have a good year. worried more about:

- What we do once we see Melo is dominant at a small ball 4
- Kidd being another season older
- Camby staying healthy
- Amare not being terrible
- Shump coming back as Shump

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10/16/2012  2:52 PM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

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10/16/2012  2:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2012  2:58 PM
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

Im pumped as well i have missed basketball. Do you think people are underrrating us i sure do?

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10/16/2012  3:04 PM
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holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

Im pumped as well i have missed basketball. Do you think people are underrrating us i sure do?

We do have some people out there low balling us and rightfully so...We haven't done anything in 10 years...But we have a defensively minded coach and a group of guys who can play defense when they put their minds to it...I'm looking forward to a big year...Lot of our players are coming in with stuff to prove...I can't wait...

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10/16/2012  3:06 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

Im pumped as well i have missed basketball. Do you think people are underrrating us i sure do?

We do have some people out there low balling us and rightfully so...We haven't done anything in 10 years...But we have a defensively minded coach and a group of guys who can play defense when they put their minds to it...I'm looking forward to a big year...Lot of our players are coming in with stuff to prove...I can't wait...

The only thing im worried about is Camby. I mean Brewer will be back this week, shump is on schedule and looks great in camp. But Camby is important because he will keep tyson fresh and also will be a great rebounder/defender. I heard he is still not close to returning

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10/16/2012  3:12 PM
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holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

Im pumped as well i have missed basketball. Do you think people are underrrating us i sure do?

We do have some people out there low balling us and rightfully so...We haven't done anything in 10 years...But we have a defensively minded coach and a group of guys who can play defense when they put their minds to it...I'm looking forward to a big year...Lot of our players are coming in with stuff to prove...I can't wait...

The only thing im worried about is Camby. I mean Brewer will be back this week, shump is on schedule and looks great in camp. But Camby is important because he will keep tyson fresh and also will be a great rebounder/defender. I heard he is still not close to returning

We have time...We gonna need him and Sheed for the playoffs...Shrump as well...The important thing right now is getting the core on track...Establishing a style of play...That will take some time going into next year...Then we blend the second unit into the mix..It's like a recipe, we are getting ready to cook!!!!

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10/16/2012  3:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2012  3:17 PM
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10/16/2012  3:17 PM
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

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10/16/2012  3:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

Im pumped as well i have missed basketball. Do you think people are underrrating us i sure do?

We do have some people out there low balling us and rightfully so...We haven't done anything in 10 years...But we have a defensively minded coach and a group of guys who can play defense when they put their minds to it...I'm looking forward to a big year...Lot of our players are coming in with stuff to prove...I can't wait...

The only thing im worried about is Camby. I mean Brewer will be back this week, shump is on schedule and looks great in camp. But Camby is important because he will keep tyson fresh and also will be a great rebounder/defender. I heard he is still not close to returning

We have time...We gonna need him and Sheed for the playoffs...Shrump as well...The important thing right now is getting the core on track...Establishing a style of play...That will take some time going into next year...Then we blend the second unit into the mix..It's like a recipe, we are getting ready to cook!!!!

I agree. thats why we should stop talking about lin and gallo and just focus on the team we have because i like the chemistry we have so far. I mean i am happy with what lin/gallo did and i wish them luck but i am happy with what the knicks have now

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10/16/2012  3:36 PM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

Come now son, you have been watching basketball for some time now..At least I have that impression...Preseason isn't about wins and losses, it's about getting in basketball shape...Felton is there...He was throwing the alley hoops that you thought only Lin could do...Felton was in command of the offense, huge...It's what we need...We are seeing glimpses of what could be...Now we will spend the next two or three months establishing an offensive identity behind our defense...It won't happen day one or even a month into the season...This is about finding a way to win as a team, it isn't about individual accolades...

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10/16/2012  3:38 PM
I disagree with Hollinger here. For one thing I don't actually think that STAT and Melo can't work together. They aren't going to work if you don't have good PG play to make sure everything is balanced on the floor. That has been one of the big issues with this team. Having Felton changes that equation. Having played with STAT and been successful in having chemistry with him makes all the difference in the world. I think Hollinger is being a bit harsh and dismissive of Felton as a player. He's not as bad as he's being made out to be. Felton has certain strengths and I think they meld with the way this team wants to play. Felton isn't a good shooter but he is strong and has some quickness.

As long as the ball is moving this team is gonna be hard to stop. They have legit threats everywhere and the only missing piece was real passing PG's. The guys we have now are not turnover prone. This team should really benefit from the experience and high BB IQ of the PG's we have now. I think too often reviewers overlook the simple things and just look at individual players. If you look at Felton, Kidd and Prigioni individually they aren't impressive, but that's not how they should be judged. You have to look at how all the parts of the team work together. We have high level finishers and so you need PG's that can work PnR and pass effectively. That's what we have now. PG's that think pass 1st. STAT, Melo, Tyson, Smith and Novak can all finish better with great passes and that's how it's gonna work much better than last year.

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10/16/2012  4:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2012  4:53 PM
nixluva wrote:I disagree with Hollinger here. For one thing I don't actually think that STAT and Melo can't work together. They aren't going to work if you don't have good PG play to make sure everything is balanced on the floor. That has been one of the big issues with this team. Having Felton changes that equation. Having played with STAT and been successful in having chemistry with him makes all the difference in the world. I think Hollinger is being a bit harsh and dismissive of Felton as a player. He's not as bad as he's being made out to be. Felton has certain strengths and I think they meld with the way this team wants to play. Felton isn't a good shooter but he is strong and has some quickness.

As long as the ball is moving this team is gonna be hard to stop. They have legit threats everywhere and the only missing piece was real passing PG's. The guys we have now are not turnover prone. This team should really benefit from the experience and high BB IQ of the PG's we have now. I think too often reviewers overlook the simple things and just look at individual players. If you look at Felton, Kidd and Prigioni individually they aren't impressive, but that's not how they should be judged. You have to look at how all the parts of the team work together. We have high level finishers and so you need PG's that can work PnR and pass effectively. That's what we have now. PG's that think pass 1st. STAT, Melo, Tyson, Smith and Novak can all finish better with great passes and that's how it's gonna work much better than last year.

Melo, Stat, and Chandler on the court at the same time is a disaster.
2 players who are most efficient 15 fit in and one who can only score in close.
There is not enough space and balls for them at the same time.
You can use 2 people to defend all 3 and have others take care about our backcourt which is no fast at all and cannot penetrate.
This group is cool on paper and they can blow bad defenses open but any solid defensive team will stop this lineup easily and any running young team will run over them all day long.
This lineup is teh worst we can use and I hope it will not be used at all.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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10/16/2012  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/16/2012  5:31 PM
I thought it was a sober assessment of the roster for the most part, but I don't agree with his conclusion. We are a deep squad, not a squad of players in their prime, but ones who still should have something left in the tank and contribute.

I agree with his concerns about Felton but Hollinger discounts the effect Kidd and to some extent Pablo will have on keeping the offense humming along. He points out how Kidd had a bad season in 2011 but doesnt point out that Kidd is now in great shape. Hollinger focuses on the age of the roster but glosses over their playoff and championship experience. Comes off as kind of a glass half empty article.

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10/16/2012  6:10 PM
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

But, but, but Felton is in the best shape of his career!

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10/16/2012  6:28 PM
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:Obviously written well before the pre-season started...

AS IT SHOULD BE.. OR are you telling me they should put a lot of stock in pre-season games?

or are you saying after these stunning two preseason wins he should now change his tune to 55 wins?

Well yeah...I'm actually looking at Felton and think he is key to what we want to do this season...He has run an efficiently offense thus far and more importantly he is in shape...I think that was a big question mark going in...Now let's get Melo, Amare, Chandler and Felton on the same page...Let's rock this motha...I'm pumped...What's huge is that we will be playing defense as a team...If u saw the end of last season, we won games we usually lost because our defensive intensity was much higher...I'm looking at a 50 win team in my opinion...

a reasonable analyst and journalist should not be making real observations based on pre-season.. if felton is key and you want someone to drastically change their view of your team, then felton needs to be burning through preseason, and he just hasn't... again, even if felton sucked, I would not take so much from preseason...

tell me, how many wins did you have the warriors having this year? 30-35? well they are 3-1, denver is 3-0, the kings are 2-0.. what should we take from that? miami is 1-2, boston is 1-3, are they slippin?

so far in 2 games, felton is average 7/7 and shooting 31%.... last year deron williams aveaged 21/8 shot 40% and someone (i forgot who) said that was Horrendous...

go figure.. right? felton is not playing that well bro..

Come now son, you have been watching basketball for some time now..At least I have that impression...Preseason isn't about wins and losses, it's about getting in basketball shape...Felton is there...He was throwing the alley hoops that you thought only Lin could do...Felton was in command of the offense, huge...It's what we need...We are seeing glimpses of what could be...Now we will spend the next two or three months establishing an offensive identity behind our defense...It won't happen day one or even a month into the season...This is about finding a way to win as a team, it isn't about individual accolades...

good point.. so then why do you so strongly cosign the carmelo trade that shredded this team of talent and picks.. at team that was establishing an identity.. you see son, it is so easy to throw out these cliche's another thing to truly mean it... I have seen enough of felton to know and understand that by mid season you will be screaming another tune... either that or lying to yourself about him and this team........ still..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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