pf:Amare, KT
sf:Melo, Novak,Copeland
C :Tyson, Camby
PG:Felton, Kidd, Pablo
sg:Brewer, JR, James White (Shump injured)

Philly:

pf:Thaddeus, LaVoy Allen
sf:Dorell Wright, Evan Turner
C :Bynum, Hawes
pg:Holiday
sg:J.Richardson, N.Young

Just my loose depth chart projection....

How do the Knicks compare? Are we better?

I personally think the knicks wipe the floor with them...Philly still has a crew of interchangable swing men all around 6'7". That's their strength. Other than that, the Knicks defense and rebounding have greatly improved on paper...the point guard play is better as well....

VCoug wrote:Their backcourt is better than ours and our frontcourt hasn't shown they know how to play together yet. If Melo, Amare, and Tyson figure out how to play at the same time we should be better but if they can't figure it out than Philly will be better in the near future if not next season.

Why is philly's backcourt better? I think they are very similiar...pretty much a wash, but the Knicks point guard depth trumps them

EnySpree wrote:

VCoug wrote:Their backcourt is better than ours and our frontcourt hasn't shown they know how to play together yet. If Melo, Amare, and Tyson figure out how to play at the same time we should be better but if they can't figure it out than Philly will be better in the near future if not next season.

Why is philly's backcourt better? I think they are very similiar...pretty much a wash, but the Knicks point guard depth trumps them

They have Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Nick Young, and Jason Richardson. We have Shumpert, JR, Felton, Brewer, Kidd, and Pablo. I would rank a healthy Shumpert a tick below Holiday and Turner but Shump isn't even healthy, and probably won't be until 2013-14, so those two are clearly the best out of that group. JR and Young are practically the same player so they cancel out. And Jason Richardson is better than Felton (barely mediocre), Brewer (nice defensive role player that can't shoot), Kidd (terrible last year), and Pablo (never played a minute in the NBA). Their group as a whole defends almost as good as ours does with a healthy Shump but they are all much better shooters. And they're much younger so they still have room to improve while we only have Shump.

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

VCoug wrote:Their backcourt is better than ours and our frontcourt hasn't shown they know how to play together yet. If Melo, Amare, and Tyson figure out how to play at the same time we should be better but if they can't figure it out than Philly will be better in the near future if not next season.

Why is philly's backcourt better? I think they are very similiar...pretty much a wash, but the Knicks point guard depth trumps them

They have Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Nick Young, and Jason Richardson. We have Shumpert, JR, Felton, Brewer, Kidd, and Pablo. I would rank a healthy Shumpert a tick below Holiday and Turner but Shump isn't even healthy, and probably won't be until 2013-14, so those two are clearly the best out of that group. JR and Young are practically the same player so they cancel out. And Jason Richardson is better than Felton (barely mediocre), Brewer (nice defensive role player that can't shoot), Kidd (terrible last year), and Pablo (never played a minute in the NBA). Their group as a whole defends almost as good as ours does with a healthy Shump but they are all much better shooters. And they're much younger so they still have room to improve while we only have Shump.

Is Jrue Holiday going to play 48 minutes a game? Who's their backup point guard? Evan Turner going to run the backup when Jrue needs a breather? You can argue edge to Sixers at 2 guard, but Jrue is simply not that great. Solid young point, but career wise Felton actually has him beat (13 pts/7 ast) to (12 pts/5 ast) for Holiday.

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

VCoug wrote:Their backcourt is better than ours and our frontcourt hasn't shown they know how to play together yet. If Melo, Amare, and Tyson figure out how to play at the same time we should be better but if they can't figure it out than Philly will be better in the near future if not next season.

Why is philly's backcourt better? I think they are very similiar...pretty much a wash, but the Knicks point guard depth trumps them

They have Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Nick Young, and Jason Richardson. We have Shumpert, JR, Felton, Brewer, Kidd, and Pablo. I would rank a healthy Shumpert a tick below Holiday and Turner but Shump isn't even healthy, and probably won't be until 2013-14, so those two are clearly the best out of that group. JR and Young are practically the same player so they cancel out. And Jason Richardson is better than Felton (barely mediocre), Brewer (nice defensive role player that can't shoot), Kidd (terrible last year), and Pablo (never played a minute in the NBA). Their group as a whole defends almost as good as ours does with a healthy Shump but they are all much better shooters. And they're much younger so they still have room to improve while we only have Shump.

And Philly's frontcourt is going to gel nicely because... Spencer Hawes has such a cool name? Lavoy Allen? A 4 RPG PF?? What???
Someone's sniffing some serious diaper cream.

Ahh the love of yoots. How it always springs eternal.

gunsnewing Nets > Miami > Philly> Bobcats> Knicks

You going to buy all those new jerseys, gunsnewing? That's some serious shekels you're looking at. Or are you just going to write those names on your kicks?

Spencer Hawes is a really nice young player who put up 10 ppg and 7 rpg in 25 mpg last season. And he's a very good passer for a big man. Philly could very easily be better than us within a couple of years. Also, have you seen any evidence that Melo, Amare, and Tyson will be able to gel? Because based on last season I have my doubts about that.

EnySpree wrote:

VCoug wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

VCoug wrote:Their backcourt is better than ours and our frontcourt hasn't shown they know how to play together yet. If Melo, Amare, and Tyson figure out how to play at the same time we should be better but if they can't figure it out than Philly will be better in the near future if not next season.

Why is philly's backcourt better? I think they are very similiar...pretty much a wash, but the Knicks point guard depth trumps them

They have Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Nick Young, and Jason Richardson. We have Shumpert, JR, Felton, Brewer, Kidd, and Pablo. I would rank a healthy Shumpert a tick below Holiday and Turner but Shump isn't even healthy, and probably won't be until 2013-14, so those two are clearly the best out of that group. JR and Young are practically the same player so they cancel out. And Jason Richardson is better than Felton (barely mediocre), Brewer (nice defensive role player that can't shoot), Kidd (terrible last year), and Pablo (never played a minute in the NBA). Their group as a whole defends almost as good as ours does with a healthy Shump but they are all much better shooters. And they're much younger so they still have room to improve while we only have Shump.

And Philly's frontcourt is going to gel nicely because... Spencer Hawes has such a cool name? Lavoy Allen? A 4 RPG PF?? What???
Someone's sniffing some serious diaper cream.

Ahh the love of yoots. How it always springs eternal.

gunsnewing Nets > Miami > Philly> Bobcats> Knicks

You going to buy all those new jerseys, gunsnewing? That's some serious shekels you're looking at. Or are you just going to write those names on your kicks?

Spencer Hawes is a really nice young player who put up 10 ppg and 7 rpg in 25 mpg last season. And he's a very good passer for a big man. Philly could very easily be better than us within a couple of years. Also, have you seen any evidence that Melo, Amare, and Tyson will be able to gel? Because based on last season I have my doubts about that.

In a couple of years the Knicks will be ready to reload...

who cares about a couple of years? what about next season?

Reloading means we're blowing the team up because we're not good enough. Why are you acting like that's a good thing?

As for next season we're not going to win a championship. We'll probably finish around 4/5 in the conference and around 8/9 in the league and then at we'll probably lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. Our only hope right now is that Melo, Amare, and Tyson all figure out how to play together, but I saw no evidence last year that they could.

AnubisADL wrote:This must be a joke. The best player on Philly is Bynum. They cannot score and now they can't defend either.

Bynum should put up good stats though.

jru holiday I would take over felton and Evan turner is finally starting to turn the corner.... also don't forget young..

AnubisADL wrote:Sixers are a run and gun team that acquired a center who excels in half court slow down offenses.

Lol. Sixer's have no shooters to space the floor either.

I see them as a lottery team.

can you at least check the stats before you make declarations?

Philly was a half court team last year by all definitions, especially pace.

And they got Nick Young, Holiday and JRich to help space floor ? Not too bad.