I'm glad D'Antoni is gone- since then Melo's won me over a bit. The hate he gets is too much- media and some fans literally blame him for everything and are obsessed that he hated their beloved Jeremy and drove him out of town!

Under Woodson, he's playing defense, and lost weight before the olympics, and he was flat out awesome during that stretch where he pretty much single handedly got us into the playoffs against some tough apponents. For me, that stretch was just as exciting and impressive as the Linsanity run.

Then we had a disasterous playoffs (Tyson ill, Shump tears ACL, BD's knee explodes, Amar'e punches fire extinguisher), and somehow Melo gets blamed for all this- crazy! Why did we end up playing Melo ball in the playoffs? Because there was no one else left! At least he was still playing in the playoffs, and was key to the one win we did get. I really, really don't understand the hate Melo has gotten for the playoffs- to the point his detractors don't even mention that he got us into the playoffs with that run.

Oh but he dogged it before Woody took over. Yes he did, but loads of star players have done that when they didn't like their coach. Heck Ewing did it under Don Nelson.

smackeddog wrote:Never really was a fan of Melo's before we got him. Hated the trade at the time, but we ended up getting Tyson thanks to it, and Felton has returned too, so looks like I was wrong. Last season, he started in pretty good shape and focused more on defense. Then there were injuries and his fued with D'Antoni. He then plumpened up and stopped trying.

I'm glad D'Antoni is gone- since then Melo's won me over a bit. The hate he gets is too much- media and some fans literally blame him for everything and are obsessed that he hated their beloved Jeremy and drove him out of town!

Under Woodson, he's playing defense, and lost weight before the olympics, and he was flat out awesome during that stretch where he pretty much single handedly got us into the playoffs against some tough apponents. For me, that stretch was just as exciting and impressive as the Linsanity run.

Then we had a disasterous playoffs (Tyson ill, Shump tears ACL, BD's knee explodes, Amar'e punches fire extinguisher), and somehow Melo gets blamed for all this- crazy! Why did we end up playing Melo ball in the playoffs? Because there was no one else left! At least he was still playing in the playoffs, and was key to the one win we did get. I really, really don't understand the hate Melo has gotten for the playoffs- to the point his detractors don't even mention that he got us into the playoffs with that run.

Oh but he dogged it before Woody took over. Yes he did, but loads of star players have done that when they didn't like their coach. Heck Ewing did it under Don Nelson.

+1 Liked.

Disliked him just like I dislike all NBA stars that play for opposing teams.

I mostly hate the stars that are in our division/conference far more but dik stars like Kobe and Lebron who act like diks off the court, I have mucho hate for as well.

Can't hate a player like KD because we really have no rivalry with him, he is an excellent player, and seems like a decent guy (for now).

Also, easy to hate the stacked teams that seem to have an unfair advantage like the Bulls (90's), the Lakers (Kobe/Shaq) and Miami.

I always root for the underdog if I don't have a personal stake/rooting interest.

The only time I am truly a fan of players from other teams is if they are rookies or very young talents such as Rubio, Faried, Irving, A Davis ... I like witnessing the birth of stars especially unheralded ones such as Lin (I would have had a strong rooting interest in Lin even if he played on another team)

As for his time on the Knicks... well, Im waiting to be won over (also defined as a hater). As a Knick fan he's been shoved down our throats as the new face of the franchise. I believe since Ewing left he's the 3rd guy. The first was Allan $100mm Houston. Houston was a really good player and nice guy but not close to franchise talent. The next guy was Starbury, who was closer talentwise, but obviously a mental midget, cancerous personality, etc etc

Next up behind franchise player door #3.... Carmelo Anthony.

The good:
Can dominate games.
Can create his own shot.
Excellent crunch time player.
Can play 2-3 positions and creates mismatches at each one.
One of the tougher guards in the league.
Wants to be in NY

The bad:
not a leader,
doesnt make players around him better,
one could argue he makes players worse,
difficult skill set to team other great/good players with.
Immature, and has been same player for 10 years in the league.
Is he coachable?
Hasnt made the Knicks better win the W/L column.
Too expensive.

Melo doesnt get a ton of hate around here. The hate is portrayed by the folks who have accepted him exactly has Dolan as sold him to us (fans), that Melo is Knick savior, bringer of future titles, face of the franchise and NYC "im coming home" golden boy (wasnt Marbs????). The simple fact is you cant be honest about what Melo has accomplished here without being attacked.

Melo didnt play hard for MDA. Spin: Your an MDA lover, or Amare doesnt play hard on defense so he quit to and you just hate Melo, etc etc
Melo has the worst playoff record of any NBA player with 50 playoff games: Spin: Poor teams, not his fault, he's just as good as Kobe or Wade and would have titles if on one of those teams
Melo has had ZERO impact on the W/L totals since being here: Spin: take your pick of the soup of the day
Melo was out of shape: Spin: lets ignore the direct quotes from the coaching staff and make Melo is fat jokes until its obvious anyone acknowledging that our $20mm a year doesnt take conditioning seriously is just another hater hating.

We could do this all day, but there are really two groups on this board.
Group A: Melo is a star, would have titles (or a playoff win) if not for other circumstances and people who are critical of his accomplishments are haters and have anti-melo agendas
Group B: What has this guy done for us since we traded our roster/future for him?

Nalod wrote:Very fair! Good take.

Thats not really sarcasm, as Im quite sure the "pro-melo at all costs group" surely believes the short post over the long one. Oh well.

Melo had a great close to the season after an awful effort for most of the season. I respect his effort in the last month, but am I supposed to forget everything else he did since coming here? After some initial reticence I was behind the trade for Melo. I think if you want to win you have to go for it. However, Melo has to hold up his end of the bargain. NY paid a lot for him to come here and a couple of good months isn't proper repayment.

fishmike wrote:I was shocked Melo was picked after Darko. What Melo did in his one year at Syracuse was epic. Total dominance.
With the Nuggets he's just another NBA player to me and I was never terribly impressed. He's really good. He's an all star. He's a top 20 player, but he's clearly 2nd tier to me.

As for his time on the Knicks... well, Im waiting to be won over (also defined as a hater). As a Knick fan he's been shoved down our throats as the new face of the franchise. I believe since Ewing left he's the 3rd guy. The first was Allan $100mm Houston. Houston was a really good player and nice guy but not close to franchise talent. The next guy was Starbury, who was closer talentwise, but obviously a mental midget, cancerous personality, etc etc

Next up behind franchise player door #3.... Carmelo Anthony.

The good:
Can dominate games.
Can create his own shot.
Excellent crunch time player.
Can play 2-3 positions and creates mismatches at each one.
One of the tougher guards in the league.
Wants to be in NY

The bad:
not a leader,
doesnt make players around him better,
one could argue he makes players worse,
difficult skill set to team other great/good players with.
Immature, and has been same player for 10 years in the league.
Is he coachable?
Hasnt made the Knicks better win the W/L column.
Too expensive.

Melo doesnt get a ton of hate around here. The hate is portrayed by the folks who have accepted him exactly has Dolan as sold him to us (fans), that Melo is Knick savior, bringer of future titles, face of the franchise and NYC "im coming home" golden boy (wasnt Marbs????). The simple fact is you cant be honest about what Melo has accomplished here without being attacked.

Melo didnt play hard for MDA. Spin: Your an MDA lover, or Amare doesnt play hard on defense so he quit to and you just hate Melo, etc etc
Melo has the worst playoff record of any NBA player with 50 playoff games: Spin: Poor teams, not his fault, he's just as good as Kobe or Wade and would have titles if on one of those teams
Melo has had ZERO impact on the W/L totals since being here: Spin: take your pick of the soup of the day
Melo was out of shape: Spin: lets ignore the direct quotes from the coaching staff and make Melo is fat jokes until its obvious anyone acknowledging that our $20mm a year doesnt take conditioning seriously is just another hater hating.

We could do this all day, but there are really two groups on this board.
Group A: Melo is a star, would have titles (or a playoff win) if not for other circumstances and people who are critical of his accomplishments are haters and have anti-melo agendas
Group B: What has this guy done for us since we traded our roster/future for him?

Gettin some hate in on the sly? Bad Fishy!

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:Very fair! Good take.

its not fair or a good take. Its just more veiled attacks and subtle hatred. It only reads partial so people read my posts and I am able to further my anti-melo agenda which is obvious by my Lin/Gallo/MDA candle-lit shrine I keep in my basement with fresh chicken blood and voodoo stones.

Thats not really sarcasm, as Im quite sure the "pro-melo at all costs group" surely believes the short post over the long one. Oh well.

It's probably more because you show some critical thinking when you talk about Amare, but seem less thoughtful "when ya tells it like it is" when it comes to Melo.

Not really that serious, no reason to have to go four page letter about the Melo lovers and make threads like this. I don't see any Amare/Woodson/Lin/ect threads where the "realist" has to set all the lovers right.

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much............