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nehemiah
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7/26/2012  6:55 PM
We are just below the "superteams" tier. Houston is 28th.

With the NBA’s free agency period winding down and almost all of the top players off the market, the biggest remaining question about the 2012-13 season is the eventual resolution of the Dwight Howard saga. Of course, you could have said the same thing at this point last December.

But while Howard is the one player who could upset the balance of power at the top of the NBA, the bottom of the NBA could be radically different next season. Thanks to an incredibly strong draft class, there’s hope on every roster after two years where most of the league’s bottom third seemed more intent on bottoming out than building up.

Even the Charlotte Bobcats have a highly-touted rookie -- No. 2 overall pick Michael Kidd-Gilchrist -- to pique the interests of season-ticket holders. There should be a lot fewer automatic wins on the schedule this year, as the league continues to put the lockout behind it.

The Super Teams

1) Miami Heat -- With the signings of Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis, Miami is pushing forward with the small frontcourt (Chris Bosh at the five, LeBron James at power forward) they used to win the NBA Finals. Now that LeBron has embraced playing in the post, it’s a nearly indefensible lineup. A dominant seven-footer who can force the Heat to play a traditional center might be the only hope for stopping a dynasty on South Beach.

2) Oklahoma City Thunder -- The next 12 months could be a crossroads for Oklahoma City, as they will have to make tough financial decisions on Serge Ibaka and James Harden. If the league’s big markets continue to flout the luxury tax, the Thunder may have to pay to keep up. They’ll get a boost on the back-end of their rotation from the return of Eric Maynor and the arrival of Perry Jones III, who could end up being the steal of the 2012 draft.

3) Los Angeles Lakers -- Incorporating Steve Nash into their offense will require some juggling, but his shooting ability will dramatically improve their talent level and floor spacing around Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum. But as dangerous as they are offensively, they’re going to need Mike Brown to work some miracles on the other end of the floor, which is why Howard would be such a good fit with this roster.

The Next Tier

4) San Antonio Spurs -- San Antonio’s finely-tuned offensive system should continue being the envy of the rest of the NBA, but they won’t win another championship until they improve their defense, particularly their lack of a big man who can play above the rim and protect the paint at an elite level.

5) Boston Celtics -- The Big Three is no more, but Jason Terry should be able to fill Ray Allen’s shoes as a perimeter shooter and secondary ball-handler, and Courtney Lee will provide strong depth. Boston will have enough perimeter shooting around Rajon Rondo to keep him playing at an All-NBA level, but the Celtics will only go as far as the ageless Kevin Garnett can take them, especially on the defensive end.

6) Memphis Grizzlies -- No team should be more haunted by the 2012 playoffs than Memphis, who allowed a historic comeback in Game 1 and blew a home Game 7 to the Clippers. The continuing recovery of Zach Randolph and Darrell Arthur from knee injuries should improve their front-line, but they still need to figure out how to maximize Rudy Gay’s offensive ability.

7) New York Knicks -- In a league getting smaller by the year, would New York be better off moving Carmelo Anthony to power forward and improving their floor spacing? Amar'e Stoudemire will never regain his explosiveness, which is why he’ll need to continue expanding his range out to the three-point line to justify his contract going forward. Raymond Felton, meanwhile, had better come into training camp in shape this year.

8) Brooklyn Nets -- Deron Williams, the NBA’s top point guard, has never played with a core as talented as Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace and Brook Lopez. However, without much interior defense, the Nets will have to hope they can sneak back into the Howard discussions in January to have a chance of contending for a title.

9) Dallas Mavericks -- The great irony is, now that they’ve gotten younger on the perimeter with Darren Collison and OJ Mayo, they could have built a title contender around Dirk Nowitzki and Tyson Chandler. Chris Kaman is a nice pick-up, but without Chandler, the team doesn’t have enough interior defense to contend.

10) Denver Nuggets -- With Ty Lawson at the helm of George Karl’s uptempo offense, Denver should continue their streak of playoff appearances. However, any chance of breaking out of the first-round will depend on the continued development of Javale McGee. At the very least, it will be interesting.

11) Los Angeles Clippers -- Blake Griffin’s latest knee injury is a huge red flag, especially given the history of high-flying big-bodied PF’s like Shawn Kemp, Antonio McDyess and Amar'e. They have a lot of big names on the wings - Caron Butler, Chauncey Billups, Jamal Crawford, Grant Hill - but they’re all in the decline phase of their careers.

12) Chicago Bulls -- Everything in Chicago revolves around the health of Derrick Rose, as there’s no way to know whether he’ll be 100% by the start of the playoffs. Tom Thibodeau and their size upfront will keep them afloat, but they’re looking at another first-round exit if Rose can’t dominate offensively.

13) Indiana Pacers -- Indiana’s deep run in the 2012 playoffs may be a bit of an illusion, as they beat an Orlando Magic team without Howard and benefitted from Chris Bosh’s injury to push Miami to six games. They’re a big, skilled and athletic, but they don’t have an All-NBA caliber player to build their offense around or a frontcourt player they can build a defense around.

The Playoff Race

14) Utah Jazz -- Utah GM Kevin O’Connor has done a masterful job of staying competitive while rebuilding, but it might get awkward this season. Derrick Favors is ready for a featured role and Enes Kanter needs minutes while Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap are in the last years of their contracts. Mo Williams’ perimeter shooting could be a good fit on a team with so much post scoring.

15) Golden State Warriors -- Everything in Oakland will depend on the health of Andrew Bogut. They’ve got excellent shooters at every position -- David Lee, Harrison Barnes, Klay Thompson and Stephen Curry -- but none play much defense and all would be more effective playing off a low-post threat.

16) Atlanta Hawks -- Atlanta unloaded the contracts of Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson, but they still have enough talent for a playoff push. Any team with a pair of athletic two-way 6’9+ forwards like Josh Smith and Al Horford will be competitive on a nightly basis, while Jeff Teague and Devin Harris will both be playing for a contract.

17) Philadelphia 76ers -- The playoff experience Philly received last year won’t overcome a lack of reliable scoring or defense upfront. 6’11 rookie Arnett Moultrie could help off the bench, but Nick Young is a downgrade from Lou Williams. Dealing Andre Iguodala may be the only way to shake-up this mismatched roster.

18) Minnesota Timberwolves -- Ricky Rubio’s ACL injury last season couldn’t have come at a worse time, as his absence for most of the season may ruin Minnesota’s playoff chances. If Kevin Love wants to make the playoffs, he’ll have to carry the Wolves for the first few months unless Brandon Roy’s knees have fully healed.

19) Orlando Magic -- After everything that has happened, it’s hard to imagine Howard still being in town by the start of the season. Until that is finished, the franchise will be in limbo.

20) Washington Wizards -- There are no more excuses for John Wall, as Washington has a veteran frontcourt -- Nene, Emeka Okafor, Trevor Ariza -- as well as playoff expectations heading into his third season. There are still a lot of oddly fitting parts in Washington, but there’s enough talent to make a playoff push.

21) Milwaukee Bucks -- The Bucks must not have a problem with redundancy: they have three ball-dominant 6’2+ guards and at least four 6’10+ athletic shot-blockers with iffy perimeter jumpers. Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings can score a lot of points, but they’ll need to do so much more efficiently to make the playoffs.

22) Phoenix Suns -- Is there a plan in Phoenix? The handling of Steve Nash (holding on to him for two rebuilding years before sending him to Los Angeles for draft picks) and Goran Dragic (losing a first-round pick to send him away and then giving him a $30 million contract a year later) would indicate no. Maybe Michael Beasley can ride again.

The Rebuilding Teams

23) Portland Trail Blazers -- Meyers Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge will be one of the biggest and most athletic frontcourts in the NBA, but Portland’s ceiling will depend on whether Damian Lillard can play up to his No. 6 overall selection.

24) Cleveland Cavaliers -- Kyrie Irving has been as good as advertised and Tyler Zeller is one of the most NBA-ready rookies in the draft. However, Cleveland’s fate this season will depend on the play of two No. 4 overall picks -- Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters -- considered reaches by many.

25) New Orleans Hornets -- Austin Rivers is not a point guard and Anthony Davis is not a center, which makes Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson weird fits with the Hornets two lottery picks. It’s now or never for Xavier Henry and Al-Farouq Aminu, headed into their third year after being lottery picks in 2010.

26) Toronto Raptors -- They are going to have almost an entirely new team this season, as Kyle Lowry, Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross will have a chance to form a Big Three of their own up north. Since Chris Bosh’s departure, the Raptors have been one of the most brutal teams in the NBA, but things are finally pointed in the right direction.

27) Sacramento Kings -- DeMarcus Cousins and Thomas Robinson will form an extremely physical front-line, but neither is a great perimeter shooter or shotblocker. The signing of Aaron Brooks, meanwhile, isn’t a good sign in the front office’s confidence in either Jimmer Fredette or Tyreke Evans.

28) Houston Rockets -- While Linsanity won’t be the same outside of Madison Square Garden, Houston gives him a chance to dominate the basketball that New York could not while playing with Anthony. With three promising rookies -- Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and Terrence Jones -- they’ll be an intriguing team even if a Howard trade never happens.

29) Detroit Pistons -- They have an incredibly promising future, but Andre Drummond is years away while Brandon Knight may not be capable of shouldering a huge offensive load. Greg Monroe has become one of the NBA’s best kept secrets.

The Bobcats

30) Charlotte Bobcats -- No one said this would be pretty. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist is an excellent defensive prospect, but he doesn’t have the offensive game to carry a team like the Bobcats. There’s no one who fits that description on Charlotte’s roster, who will struggle to score enough points to be competitive on most nights.

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7/26/2012  7:06 PM
I'll take 3rd in the East. Don't agree on STAT though.
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7/26/2012  7:09 PM
I don't think they're giving the Knicks enough credit for how tough they're likely to be on D. The Knicks may not be a great offensive team, but they should be a very tough defensive team for 48 mins a night. We had a lot of slippage last year when Tyson had to sit, but now I think this team will be able to continue to hold teams down with the defensive additions this team made. Glen did pretty much exactly what I felt he should do which is to double down on the defensive aspects of the team. That's what really pushed the team to such an impressive close to the season. It was really all about the defense. Now the team is stronger than even last years impressive defensive roster.
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7/26/2012  7:10 PM
I'd drop us a few spots and the Nets down to the playoff race but overall it seems fair.
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7/26/2012  7:35 PM
"In a league getting smaller by the year, would New York be better off moving Carmelo Anthony to power forward and improving their floor spacing?"

So they ask this question of the Knicks but not of the Lakers who are even bigger? I'm sure Melo will get spot duty at the 4 when Stat sits, but I like the idea of having size in a small league. Going small only works if you have elite small players like the Heat, etc....

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7/26/2012  7:43 PM
Oh yeah... Amare definitely needs to start hoisting up threes.
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7/26/2012  7:59 PM
Olajuwan gonna teach Stat the three ball....not!
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7/26/2012  8:00 PM
ToddTT wrote:Oh yeah... Amare definitely needs to start hoisting up threes.

Hopefully he can get them off before the buzzer

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8/3/2012  10:25 AM
. Carmelo is showing he can be great as good as any player when surrounded by greatness. Now can he be Kobe ish and do that without being surrounded by greatness? If he can we are automatically a top 4 team..
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8/3/2012  10:40 AM
BRIGGS wrote:. Carmelo is showing he can be great as good as any player when surrounded by greatness. Now can he be Kobe ish and do that without being surrounded by greatness? If he can we are automatically a top 4 team..

LeBron is the only guy in the NBA that can make trash around him great. Not that Miami has trash, but he led bad teams to 60 win seasons and the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq and then Gasol/Artest/etc. Not to say that doesn't make Kobe one of the best all time. But in my view there's LeBron in his own Tier, then guys like Wade, Durant, Kobe, Melo, etc.

But BRIGGS' point is correct. If the team around Melo can be reilable we have a great team. I've been going back through highlights of last season and you can see throughout games he makes good decisions and good passes. But our team around him was so unreliable. A lot of that had to do with STAT being terrible last year and having no PG play until Lin came one, and even he is a score first PG.

If JR can be a 42-45% shooter, Novak can get open looks, Felton can be nearly as good as he was his first few months in NY, Kidd can be Kidd, STAT stays healthy and hits the J we will be very tough to beat. If things go right for this team anything less than 50 wins is not acceptable.

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8/3/2012  10:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2012  10:45 AM
The Knicks have alot of injury prone players (Amar'e, Melo, Tyson, etc) in addition to alot of older players, some of whom, are also injury prone. This is a big concern this year, specifically with Tyson Chandler. I know he played through last year, but I am worried that playing such a major role in the Olympics may end up being a viable excuse if he gets hurt during the year. If everyone stays healthy though, I can't see why the Knicks wouldn't be between the 4-7 for power seedings.


I think Denver, Phoenix and Toronto are too low and that Chicago and Jersey (excuse me, Brooklyn) are too high. The Bulls/Nets are both too thin on the bench IMO.

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8/3/2012  10:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2012  10:53 AM
7th seems about right for us.
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"In a league getting smaller by the year, would New York be better off moving Carmelo Anthony to power forward and improving their floor spacing?"

So they ask this question of the Knicks but not of the Lakers who are even bigger?


Melo played the best ball of his career at PF. There is no parallel situation for the Lakers.

The Knicks have alot of injury prone players (Amar'e, Melo, Tyson, etc) in addition to alot of older players, some of whom, are also injury prone. This is a big concern this year, specifically with Tyson Chandler. I know he played through last year, but I am worried that playing such a major role in the Olympics may end up being a viable excuse if he gets hurt during the year.

That is a very good point.
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8/3/2012  10:52 AM
sealy wrote:The Knicks have alot of injury prone players (Amar'e, Melo, Tyson, etc) in addition to alot of older players, some of whom, are also injury prone. This is a big concern this year, specifically with Tyson Chandler. I know he played through last year, but I am worried that playing such a major role in the Olympics may end up being a viable excuse if he gets hurt during the year. If everyone stays healthy though, I can't see why the Knicks wouldn't be between the 4-7 for power seedings.


I think Denver, Phoenix and Toronto are too low and that Chicago and Jersey (excuse me, Brooklyn) are too high. The Bulls/Nets are both too thin on the bench IMO.

Knicks should be a top 3 seed. Miami is obviously 1 if they stay healthy. Boston is going to be strong. After those 2 who is better (on paper) than NY in the East? Chicago has taken a step back and will be without Rose possibly all year. Orlando is a mess even if Dwight stays. Philadelphia isn't a top 5 seed. Indiana is good. They have a chance a top 4. Atlanta is rebuilding. Milwaukee will make it I think, but won't be a high seed. Toronto might sneak in. Brooklyn will be middle of the pack. Maybe 5th/6th seed. I htink:

Miami
Boston
NYK
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando (if Dwight stays this year)
Milwaukee
Chicago

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8/3/2012  10:54 AM
MSG3 wrote:
sealy wrote:The Knicks have alot of injury prone players (Amar'e, Melo, Tyson, etc) in addition to alot of older players, some of whom, are also injury prone. This is a big concern this year, specifically with Tyson Chandler. I know he played through last year, but I am worried that playing such a major role in the Olympics may end up being a viable excuse if he gets hurt during the year. If everyone stays healthy though, I can't see why the Knicks wouldn't be between the 4-7 for power seedings.


I think Denver, Phoenix and Toronto are too low and that Chicago and Jersey (excuse me, Brooklyn) are too high. The Bulls/Nets are both too thin on the bench IMO.

Knicks should be a top 3 seed. Miami is obviously 1 if they stay healthy. Boston is going to be strong. After those 2 who is better (on paper) than NY in the East? Chicago has taken a step back and will be without Rose possibly all year. Orlando is a mess even if Dwight stays. Philadelphia isn't a top 5 seed. Indiana is good. They have a chance a top 4. Atlanta is rebuilding. Milwaukee will make it I think, but won't be a high seed. Toronto might sneak in. Brooklyn will be middle of the pack. Maybe 5th/6th seed. I htink:

Miami
Boston
NYK
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando (if Dwight stays this year)
Milwaukee
Chicago


Power rankings for the league, not just the East. I definitely agree that the Knicks should be a top 3 seed in the East.

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8/3/2012  10:57 AM
I think 2 to 5 area all up for grabs between Boston, NYK, Chicago, and Orlando (if Dwight is healthy).
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sealy wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
sealy wrote:The Knicks have alot of injury prone players (Amar'e, Melo, Tyson, etc) in addition to alot of older players, some of whom, are also injury prone. This is a big concern this year, specifically with Tyson Chandler. I know he played through last year, but I am worried that playing such a major role in the Olympics may end up being a viable excuse if he gets hurt during the year. If everyone stays healthy though, I can't see why the Knicks wouldn't be between the 4-7 for power seedings.


I think Denver, Phoenix and Toronto are too low and that Chicago and Jersey (excuse me, Brooklyn) are too high. The Bulls/Nets are both too thin on the bench IMO.

Knicks should be a top 3 seed. Miami is obviously 1 if they stay healthy. Boston is going to be strong. After those 2 who is better (on paper) than NY in the East? Chicago has taken a step back and will be without Rose possibly all year. Orlando is a mess even if Dwight stays. Philadelphia isn't a top 5 seed. Indiana is good. They have a chance a top 4. Atlanta is rebuilding. Milwaukee will make it I think, but won't be a high seed. Toronto might sneak in. Brooklyn will be middle of the pack. Maybe 5th/6th seed. I htink:

Miami
Boston
NYK
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando (if Dwight stays this year)
Milwaukee
Chicago


Power rankings for the league, not just the East. I definitely agree that the Knicks should be a top 3 seed in the East.

Ah yes. I missed that. I think you're right. 4-7 seems right.

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8/3/2012  11:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2012  11:30 AM
IM good with most of this. We are a bit off fundamentally in our roster as metioned that Melo is perhaps a better PF than SF.

I think our depth should be better this year and I FULLY EXPECT WE FINISH IN FIRST PLACE AHEAD OF BOSTON and a legit top 4 seed!

Boston got some nice young pieces for the future but they are not really much better than last year. They are a tough playoff team. Lets see how they are after 82 games.

Nets I know won't get much love, but objectively they are sound at every position. BroPez is one of the better offensive Centers in the league. If he can stay out of foul trouble, stay healthy, and pick up a few more rebounds they could be very good.

Orlando is a train wreck waiting to happen until they are resolved with Dwight.

Indiana is quietly getting better.

Wild cards like Washington could be better than we think. I think Philly drops off a bit.

I think the Cavs can be pretty good if the youth movment happens quicker or they make a trade.

I take it the Rockets have their Number 1 picks Still? Unless they can get assets into Orlando and be a part of a deal that nets them Dwight or Bynum they look a bit thin.

Denver with Javale McGee developing I agree is interesting.

Oh wait, this is a knick forum right? Why we talking about other teams?

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8/3/2012  12:06 PM
this is the year for the Knicks to win a title. All the pieces are there. Size is their identity. The Heat are best but they didnt upgrade their frontcourt. Bulls have issues, Knicks are better than Pacers and Celtics are pretty freakin old. Knicks should definatly be in the conf finals vs. Miami and that will be fun to see and watch.

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fishmike wrote:this is the year for the Knicks to win a title. All the pieces are there. Size is their identity. The Heat are best but they didnt upgrade their frontcourt. Bulls have issues, Knicks are better than Pacers and Celtics are pretty freakin old. Knicks should definatly be in the conf finals vs. Miami and that will be fun to see and watch.

Big pressure on PGs and coaches.

I agree, but the Heat have LeBron. In an evenly matched series the team with the legendary super star probably wins. Hope I'm wrong though. I think the Knicks have a better roster. But LeBron is just a freak. If the Heat aren't healthy the Knicks could make it past them.

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8/3/2012  1:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2012  1:38 PM
MSG3 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:. Carmelo is showing he can be great as good as any player when surrounded by greatness. Now can he be Kobe ish and do that without being surrounded by greatness? If he can we are automatically a top 4 team..

LeBron is the only guy in the NBA that can make trash around him great. Not that Miami has trash, but he led bad teams to 60 win seasons and the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't win without Shaq and then Gasol/Artest/etc. Not to say that doesn't make Kobe one of the best all time. But in my view there's LeBron in his own Tier, then guys like Wade, Durant, Kobe, Melo, etc.

But BRIGGS' point is correct. If the team around Melo can be reilable we have a great team. I've been going back through highlights of last season and you can see throughout games he makes good decisions and good passes. But our team around him was so unreliable. A lot of that had to do with STAT being terrible last year and having no PG play until Lin came one, and even he is a score first PG.

If JR can be a 42-45% shooter, Novak can get open looks, Felton can be nearly as good as he was his first few months in NY, Kidd can be Kidd, STAT stays healthy and hits the J we will be very tough to beat. If things go right for this team anything less than 50 wins is not acceptable.

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