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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
3/15/2004  9:04 PM
Toronto needs to start building around Bosh and they may be willing to finally part with oft injured VC. Maybe, maybe, they might be willing to do a Marbury-esque deal and send him here for our expiring contracts (Othella, Cezary, Mutombo), FWills (becuase they needa a pg) and a future 1st round pick. Imagine this lineup:

pg-Marbury
sg-Houston
sf-VC
pf-KT/Sweets
c-Weed

That team would be the favorites to win it all.
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
3/15/2004  9:07 PM
That team would be almost perfectly well-rounded.
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3/15/2004  9:13 PM
I dont think Toronto would be willing to part wit VC. They have a very promising future with bosh but that doesnt mean they want to go out and trade their 27 yr old super star. The team is still Carter's and will be for a while.

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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
3/16/2004  7:16 PM
I think this trade is more realistic than one for iverson. It would also make mch more sense for the Knicks. Carter would be able to play sf and Houston could stay at sg. I be toronto would bite for our expiring cotracts FWill(they desperately need a true point) and a furutre fisrt rounder. It is very similar to the Marbury trade.
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3/17/2004  6:14 PM
i doubt toronto is going into rebuilding mode
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3/17/2004  8:46 PM
Posted by 1:

I think this trade is more realistic than one for iverson. It would also make mch more sense for the Knicks. Carter would be able to play sf and Houston could stay at sg. I be toronto would bite for our expiring cotracts FWill(they desperately need a true point) and a furutre fisrt rounder. It is very similar to the Marbury trade.

It would definately make more sense for NY. If this trade came up I would do it in a NY minute, but how do you figure it's more realistic than the AI one?

From what I hear, Iverson doesn't exactly like management, and management doesn't exactly like him. I believe this is the last year of his contract (correct me if I'm wrong) and it's very likely AI will walk out. Philly would atleast like to get something back.

Now this trade you're saying makes sense for Toronto because they're starting to build around Bosh? Toronto is still Vince's team, and you'd have to be crazy if you think they would trade a player of his calibur just so they can build around Bosh, especially only for Othella, Cezary, Mutumbo, Frank, and a 1st rounder. Vince is only 27 years old! Maybe they'll consider something like that in 6-7 years once Vince starts to age some more and Bosh is more experianced, but no possible way it will happen now.
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3/17/2004  9:06 PM
I think you're wrong. For some reason I thought he signed some mega extension over the summer. Maybe not..
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3/17/2004  9:20 PM
Posted by matt:

I think you're wrong. For some reason I thought he signed some mega extension over the summer. Maybe not..
i believe your right matt.
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
3/17/2004  9:34 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by 1:

I think this trade is more realistic than one for iverson. It would also make mch more sense for the Knicks. Carter would be able to play sf and Houston could stay at sg. I be toronto would bite for our expiring cotracts FWill(they desperately need a true point) and a furutre fisrt rounder. It is very similar to the Marbury trade.

It would definately make more sense for NY. If this trade came up I would do it in a NY minute, but how do you figure it's more realistic than the AI one?

From what I hear, Iverson doesn't exactly like management, and management doesn't exactly like him. I believe this is the last year of his contract (correct me if I'm wrong) and it's very likely AI will walk out. Philly would atleast like to get something back.

Now this trade you're saying makes sense for Toronto because they're starting to build around Bosh? Toronto is still Vince's team, and you'd have to be crazy if you think they would trade a player of his calibur just so they can build around Bosh, especially only for Othella, Cezary, Mutumbo, Frank, and a 1st rounder. Vince is only 27 years old! Maybe they'll consider something like that in 6-7 years once Vince starts to age some more and Bosh is more experianced, but no possible way it will happen now.

Stephon was only 26. It is an extremely similar situation. Pheonix wanted to build around Amare and Marion. Vince is hampering Toronto in the free agency market like Stephon was. Toronto will never be able to win by just having Vince. They are also probably becoming tired od his injuries.
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3/18/2004  12:46 AM
What makes you think Vince woun't get injured just as much with us?
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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3/18/2004  2:31 AM
Vince, when healthy, is arguably a top-5 player in the NBA. Another thing going for us is that Toronto and NY have a pretty good relationship when it comes to trade, at least it did with Layden--- maybe they won't want to deal w/ Isiah.

I don't see how building around Bosh makes sense--- it's like building a team around Camby.

Carter, Bosh, Marshall, Rose... that's 4 excellent players. They just need to fill in some beefy bodies (add 2 15mpg journeyman centers) and get some decent coaching (who's their coach anyway!?). Mo Pete and Alvin Williams would make nice bench players. Play Rose at PG...

However... the only way they'd dump Carter is if he continues to get injured.
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3/18/2004  4:03 AM
carter is soft. can only dunk and never made a team better. good guy for espn highlights though.
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3/18/2004  8:34 AM
you are absolutely right, simrud. vc does get hurt and has zero pain tolerance. do we want to risk that? the good thing is if we do not give up TOO much, we can still have enough depth to survive. the thing that i am worried about is his relationship with wilkens. yeah, they hugged the last game and smiling and laughing. but they exchanged same heated words. the answer could be that isaih thinks wilkens is a short period plan in order for him to move right in to the helm seat. but what if, which most likely will happen than not, wilkens have a very successful year next year? no just cuase in firing him and he can not get away with it in new york like new jersey did. too many questions.
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3/18/2004  10:11 AM
I'd rather have Iverson over Carter any day. Vince is to soft and refuses to be the laeder of that team. now Iverson, he's a warrior ready to play every night....Thats if he's starting..
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3/18/2004  4:52 PM
Posted by matt:

I think you're wrong. For some reason I thought he signed some mega extension over the summer. Maybe not..

o ok, my bad. now that u bring it up, u probably r right. have ne idea how long it has left?
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3/18/2004  6:56 PM
If you were to name players in the NBA that‘s un-tradable….Timmy Duncan, The big ticket, prince James, Paul Pierce and sometimes referred to as half-man, half season, YES, VC can also be added to the elite list of un-tradable players . Since VC needs a basketball roadmap showing all routes to the promise land because he fails to be in the same league as a Timmy Duncan in delivering da goods, you could surround VC with an all-star cast of players and his fingers would still remain ring less

He has game that appeals to all fans on all levels that commands VC as one of the greatest NBA vote-getters of all time. This is no rocket science to understand why Zeke, Starbury, and LW will develop something special that will have passed VC…..stay tune
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3/18/2004  10:11 PM
Toronto knows how great VC and bosh will be together. No way they will trade either of them. I forgot who posted it, but someone had posted that all stars dont bring championships, duos do.(ie. kobe and shaq, duncan and robinson, jordan and pippen.)
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3/19/2004  8:08 AM
there is also a big reason vc will not get traded. he is the big draw in canada. i think stern do not want another franchise to move out of canada. the only way that toronto can keep up their ticket sales is to keep carter. he is the main draw. that in itself makes him one of the most valuable players in the league.
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Burkina Faso (Upper Volta)
3/24/2004  4:08 PM
The NY Daily News reports today that Toronto may be interested in dealing Carter. I still think that a deal of the 3 expiring contracts, a first rouner, and FWills would be enough to get it done.
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3/24/2004  4:29 PM
Vince is a has been,

Iverson is a has been,

And you cant build around Bosh. come on.
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