this sealed the deal for me... I dunno how much I can support this team going forward... hopefully my feelings change once the season starts but as it stands now... Totally turned off

Lin being mentored by Kidd and Pablo. Being held accountable by Woody. Playing with (in games) and against (in practice) great players like Melo. Growing up with Shump. Being asked to just be a decent player. All of that would have been a great situation for him.

He'll get plenty of minutes and shots in Houston but no mentor, no one to help carry the load (Chandler Parsons..??). Unbelievable

TymeLessKnicks wrote:Well...can't say im shocked.

If they didn't get Felton, I too might be talking the jump ship talk. But we have Felton so I'm cool.

The Knicks definitely handled both Lin and Landry poorly. Showed no true interest. Now both are gone.

Like other posters have said, with or without Lin this is a very important year. We must be a winning team and challenge for the ECF. No if ands or buts about it.

Felton photo from a month ago. Looks like he's getting ready for... a hamburger.

earthmansurfer wrote:If you look at the evidence and history involved - This was personal. Lin was just gaining too much power in a sense. Dolan built a team around Melo and Stat and then along comes Lin and turns things around, the failure that was. Lin becomes the favorite Knick of most of the fans, then Melo, then Chandler, then Stat. Dolan wanted his team back for Melo and Woody - the ISO game. I see their point, but now we are a worse team.

good post. i agree with this.

Hippo wrote:Maybe David Stern can overturn the signing like he vetoed the CP3 to Lakers trade and gave the Hornets the #1 pick. Stern is all powerful. Use your power for good for once.

They did give us the Bird rights

Jmpasq wrote:I really wonder if the Knicks did ever intend to keep him. Even though I dont think Lin would of accepted the max Knicks offer without testing FA why not just throw it out there just because. Whats the harm in it? Where they worried he would take it? Did Melo or Woodson express privately they didnt want him back. From a Knicks PR Standpoint they would look better had they just lobbed it out there. I mean maybe if Lin had that definitive contract maybe he wouldnt of signed the Rockets reworked deal. Very doubtful,but at least U could say, Hey we offered him this but he took the money. The thing that bothers me about losing Lin isnt losing the player its that we did a trade with houston. Couldnt of we got Camby back from them and not given up the Bigs and Picks. Could of used those in another trade for another player OJ Mayo perhaps. I truly believe Lin didnt want to be here and for his game he is better off in Houston. Still the Knicks made it real easy for people to take shots at them.

It really seemed like Woodson wanted Lin back. He flew out to have a dinner with Lin, Melo, Tyson, etc in California.

Then after the first offer, Woodson giddily said the Knicks would match and he was "absolutely" excited for Lin to be his starting PG. He said absolutely several times and was beaming in the interview.

I have to think this is about the offer upping. Maybe if Lin was worried he could have checked back with the Knicks... but there were multiple places quoting that the knicks would match "up to a billion dollars". Offer gets raised $6M... Jimmy picks up his toys and goes home.

Jmpasq wrote:I really wonder if the Knicks did ever intend to keep him. Even though I dont think Lin would of accepted the max Knicks offer without testing FA why not just throw it out there just because. Whats the harm in it? Where they worried he would take it? Did Melo or Woodson express privately they didnt want him back. From a Knicks PR Standpoint they would look better had they just lobbed it out there. I mean maybe if Lin had that definitive contract maybe he wouldnt of signed the Rockets reworked deal. Very doubtful,but at least U could say, Hey we offered him this but he took the money. The thing that bothers me about losing Lin isnt losing the player its that we did a trade with houston. Couldnt of we got Camby back from them and not given up the Bigs and Picks. Could of used those in another trade for another player OJ Mayo perhaps. I truly believe Lin didnt want to be here and for his game he is better off in Houston. Still the Knicks made it real easy for people to take shots at them.

I think the Knicks wanted him at first, but because of his unique situation and media knocks on him, his true market value wasn't established, and they were afraid to make an offer and be perceived as overpaying and look like fools. And i think that strategy backfired, because Houston offered a pile o' money and maybe they didn't expect that and suddenly weren't prepared to pay that. i also think they psyched themselves out after the Houston offer (likely thinking no one would pay that much) and were afraid they would still look like fools if they exceeded the Houston offer and then it became too late and they mentally moved on to Felton and Kidd. Bottom line is I don't think the Knicks truly knew if they wanted Lin and they should've made that decision earlier and this all could've been handled much better whether they wanted him or not.

Voltron wrote:

Jmpasq wrote: Bottom line is I don't think the Knicks truly knew if they wanted Lin and they should've made that decision earlier and this all could've been handled much better whether they wanted him or not.

They went after Steve Nash. That basically says, Lin we don't want you as starter and you will be playing 15-20 minutes a game behind Nash.
Under that situation, Lin has to get as much money on the new contract because Nash will probably be starting for the next 3-4 years and Lin won't have the playing time to rack up stats and have value for the following contract.