Let's trade Chris Paul for Lin. Sign and trade give Lin 30 Mil for 4 years to the Clips and Sign CP low the first year and if we can't win it all we try to unload Amare or keep all of them and get them all to agree after the next 2 years to sign new contracts where Melo, Amare , Paul, and Chandler take less money so they all can play together.

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Let's trade Chris Paul for Lin. Sign and trade give Lin 30 Mil for 4 years to the Clips and Sign CP low the first year and if we can't win it all we try to unload Amare or keep all of them and get them all to agree after the next 2 years to sign new contracts where Melo, Amare , Paul, and Chandler take less money so they all can play together.

That was why Houston made it that price, to block us from doing that. Lin at 15m is going to scare a lot of people away, unless he continues to do what he did during Linsanity up to the All Star break.
Even if so, there will be some doubters, but I wouldn't be surprised if Cp3 and Melo have tricks up their sleeves.
I don't think Melo likes Lin and how he just came out of no where and took ALL of the spotlight away from him, feeling disrespected.
Why should a veteran like Melo have to learn to play off Lin, when he is the "ALL STAR" is what he is thinking.
Dantoni quickly switched the decision of featuring Melo as the #1 option/play maker, as he wanted Lin and everyone around him play off his abilities.

Fans were booing Melo in MSG, when we he went ISO mode, and Melo probably feels he has achieved much more in the league to be treated like that.
It took many games before Melo was able to "earn his respect" and do have 20+ games from Lin to take the glory from him.
Lin is a good player, but that one year, he is being paid exactly as an ALL STAR, nothing less.
Truth is, Lin made EVERYONE around him better, he wasn't trying to put up numbers, it was just a result of his trying to win.
They were all bench players, all of them, I don't think we would have been good enough to beat elite teams with that squad but it is still very efficient with our 2nd unit vs teams 1st units.
That is the difference between a player that makes everyone else better, the team taking quality shots, moving the bball, and getting everyone involved, it is just a multiplying effect.

No offense to Melo, but do you think he could have carried that team with that 2nd unit, without Lin to all those victories?

Melo on the other hand, has major ego issues, as I feel he wants to OPT out of the last year of his contract, one summer right before Lin and all the other salaries will kick in, and make another Joe Johnson like deal to stay in NY. I think that is why he wants to continue to put MAJOR "STATS" up, cause lets be honest, STATS might not win you games, but they do get you big contracts.

If there is a way we can do some kind of trade that would put the Knicks in a better position in the end, then I am all for it. However, since Lin signed the offer sheet already, I don't believe that we can trade him until after we match that albatross deal first- a deal that is so bloated that it'll make Lin untradeable unless Lin puts up "Linsanity" type numbers on a consistent basis.

The way that Lin and the Rockets are pulling this stunt, really sours my outlook on Lin, and I know that others share that sentiment. Maybe I'll see it as less of an issue tomorrow, but right now, I am disappointed with the way that Lin is trying to hustle the Knicks.

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Yeah, I was thinking about this (CP3 trade) while fuming as I read the thread about Lin and the bitch-made Rockets attempt to shake the Knicks down.

If there is a way we can do some kind of trade that would put the Knicks in a better position in the end, then I am all for it. However, since Lin signed the offer sheet already, I don't believe that we can trade him until after we match that albatross deal first- a deal that is so bloated that it'll make Lin untradeable unless Lin puts up "Linsanity" type numbers on a consistent basis.

The way that Lin and the Rockets are pulling this stunt, really sours my outlook on Lin, and I know that others share that sentiment. Maybe I'll see it as less of an issue tomorrow, but right now, I am disappointed with the way that Lin is trying to hustle the Knicks.

Understand the feeling. I think this officially ends "Linsanity" for me because it leaves the feeling that Lin doesn't want to be here, is all about the money and kinda played this with Houston. He NEVER gets this opportunity if Linsanity had happened anywhere else and a part of me wants the Knicks not to match and Lin to taste how ordinary things will be out of New York.

Knicksfan wrote:

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Yeah, I was thinking about this (CP3 trade) while fuming as I read the thread about Lin and the bitch-made Rockets attempt to shake the Knicks down.

If there is a way we can do some kind of trade that would put the Knicks in a better position in the end, then I am all for it. However, since Lin signed the offer sheet already, I don't believe that we can trade him until after we match that albatross deal first- a deal that is so bloated that it'll make Lin untradeable unless Lin puts up "Linsanity" type numbers on a consistent basis.

The way that Lin and the Rockets are pulling this stunt, really sours my outlook on Lin, and I know that others share that sentiment. Maybe I'll see it as less of an issue tomorrow, but right now, I am disappointed with the way that Lin is trying to hustle the Knicks.

Understand the feeling. I think this officially ends "Linsanity" for me because it leaves the feeling that Lin doesn't want to be here, is all about the money and kinda played this with Houston. He NEVER gets this opportunity if Linsanity had happened anywhere else and a part of me wants the Knicks not to match and Lin to taste how ordinary things will be out of New York.

...which just may be why Lin may need to keep his greedy ass right there in Houston for the Rockets to pay him all that money, too. If there is no consistent "Linsanity" performance, then the Rockets look stupid and becomes the laughingstock of the NBA, not the Knicks. That'll also do the trick for that swollen bubble on Lin's shoulders (where his head used to be) as well. At that point, it won't be the Knicks problem anymore, Grunwald comes out of it looking like a genius, and the NYK will be spared the distraction that such an epic embarrassment would otherwise cost us..

VCoug wrote:Lin didn't pull anything! We never even offered him a contract. Essentially, we told him to go out and get the best deal he could with the expectation that we would match it. After the Landry and Asik deals it was obvious that some other team could offer a contract with a poison pill in years 3 and 4 and we still didn't offer a contract. Lin and Houston did exactly what we wanted them to.

We allowed him and his agent to test the market and get Lins market value. What they signed, and nobody was putting a gun on their heads to sign it, isn't his market value but a poison pill. The first rumored offer was ok, but if as media is sugesting they upped it to discourage the Knicks, what does that say about our supposed franchise point guard? Id say he doesn't want to be here or is simply out for the money, Knicks contending status be damned. And we aren't even talking about a star, but a young guy that while he has potential, is nowhere near to be worth that as a player. You may bring contracts and offcourt stuff, but a subpar year and everything is gone. And lets remember he will ce coming off injury and surgery.

Knicksfan wrote:

VCoug wrote:Lin didn't pull anything! We never even offered him a contract. Essentially, we told him to go out and get the best deal he could with the expectation that we would match it. After the Landry and Asik deals it was obvious that some other team could offer a contract with a poison pill in years 3 and 4 and we still didn't offer a contract. Lin and Houston did exactly what we wanted them to.

We allowed him and his agent to test the market and get Lins market value. What they signed, and nobody was putting a gun on their heads to sign it, isn't his market value but a poison pill. The first rumored offer was ok, but if as media is sugesting they upped it to discourage the Knicks, what does that say about our supposed franchise point guard? Id say he doesn't want to be here or is simply out for the money, Knicks contending status be damned. And we aren't even talking about a star, but a young guy that while he has potential, is nowhere near to be worth that as a player. You may bring contracts and offcourt stuff, but a subpar year and everything is gone. And lets remember he will ce coming off injury and surgery.

As far as I can tell it's the only offer he got. I know we didn't offer anything and I'm not aware of any other team extending an offer either. What is he supposed to do, not sign any contract for next year?

joec32033 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Lin didn't pull anything! We never even offered him a contract. Essentially, we told him to go out and get the best deal he could with the expectation that we would match it. After the Landry and Asik deals it was obvious that some other team could offer a contract with a poison pill in years 3 and 4 and we still didn't offer a contract. Lin and Houston did exactly what we wanted them to.

Actually the Knicks did him a favor. We had a set amount we could offer him at Max (like 4 years 24 mil). But we can match any offer. The original offer sheet that was talked about was an extra $5 mil. We told him to get what he can and we will match it. Thing is no one possibly expected him to get an offer like this. Now the Rockets are well within their rights to change an unsigned offer. Lin is well within his rights to try and get more for something that is unsigned.

However this is dirty of BOTH Lin's camp and Houston. Regardless of Camby. What is the point of agreeing to an offer sheet? If the NBA allows this to stand, I bet within the next 5 years we will see a team agree to an offer sheet with a player to block a move (much like Toronto did) during the moratorium then withdraw said sheet when things have played out. I use the Fields thing as an example. This basically sets the precedent that verbal agreements mean nothing. Meaning now that moratorium means nothing. What if a player verbally agrees to an offer sheet then backs out before it is signed? The NBA is seriously playing a dangerous game here.

On a side note, you think the NBA and the Knicks have had enough of Lin? The NBA had to fight the whole Bird rights issue now they have a situation where Lin is smack dab in the middle of skirting the spirit of the CBA again. And the Knicks really did everything they could to get Lin as much money as they can- bird rights case and letting him get an offer higher then their Max they could have offered-if reports are correct about Lin's camp being the pushing force behind this-and he really stuck it up their ass.

I really may just let Lin walk. I wanted Lowery more if we could have got him. And honestly Jeremy will never be able to play his whole humble pie role again. I think the Rockets and Lin both hurt their word and dignity doing this.

All the reports I read say it was Houston that changed the offer since they have no point guards on their roster anymore. And again, what is Lin supposed to do? It's the only offer he received as far as I can tell. Why should Houston offer him a contract just so it makes it more palatable for us to resign him?

VCoug wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VCoug wrote:Lin didn't pull anything! We never even offered him a contract. Essentially, we told him to go out and get the best deal he could with the expectation that we would match it. After the Landry and Asik deals it was obvious that some other team could offer a contract with a poison pill in years 3 and 4 and we still didn't offer a contract. Lin and Houston did exactly what we wanted them to.

Actually the Knicks did him a favor. We had a set amount we could offer him at Max (like 4 years 24 mil). But we can match any offer. The original offer sheet that was talked about was an extra $5 mil. We told him to get what he can and we will match it. Thing is no one possibly expected him to get an offer like this. Now the Rockets are well within their rights to change an unsigned offer. Lin is well within his rights to try and get more for something that is unsigned.

However this is dirty of BOTH Lin's camp and Houston. Regardless of Camby. What is the point of agreeing to an offer sheet? If the NBA allows this to stand, I bet within the next 5 years we will see a team agree to an offer sheet with a player to block a move (much like Toronto did) during the moratorium then withdraw said sheet when things have played out. I use the Fields thing as an example. This basically sets the precedent that verbal agreements mean nothing. Meaning now that moratorium means nothing. What if a player verbally agrees to an offer sheet then backs out before it is signed? The NBA is seriously playing a dangerous game here.

On a side note, you think the NBA and the Knicks have had enough of Lin? The NBA had to fight the whole Bird rights issue now they have a situation where Lin is smack dab in the middle of skirting the spirit of the CBA again. And the Knicks really did everything they could to get Lin as much money as they can- bird rights case and letting him get an offer higher then their Max they could have offered-if reports are correct about Lin's camp being the pushing force behind this-and he really stuck it up their ass.

I really may just let Lin walk. I wanted Lowery more if we could have got him. And honestly Jeremy will never be able to play his whole humble pie role again. I think the Rockets and Lin both hurt their word and dignity doing this.

All the reports I read say it was Houston that changed the offer since they have no point guards on their roster anymore. And again, what is Lin supposed to do? It's the only offer he received as far as I can tell. Why should Houston offer him a contract just so ites it more palatable for us to resig!n him

I am not disagreeing with anything you said. What I am saying is how this played out reeks of it being done wrong. There was nothing "wrong" with how Lebron left Cleveland. But it just didn't sit right with ALOT of people. Same thing here. And I don't think you can ignore the fact that an offer sheet was agreed to (verbally) and then changed. It renders the moratorium moot-and quite honestly a huge joke- if agreements and that is what a TON of players reached during this moratorium, and teams too, and they were not honored?