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Why The Knicks Need Marcus Camby/ Explain How It Works
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misterearl
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7/10/2012  8:00 AM
Best Analysis To Date

Did someone say Mobb Deep?

Adding Camby, who blocked shots at a significantly better rate than Chandler, would mean that the Knicks wouldn't have to choose between playing Chandler and giving up on one end of the floor. Better still, a Camby-led second unit would allow the Knicks to deploy Amar'e Stoudemire in a non-Carmelo Anthony lineup. The result, more room for Stoudemire to operate, a shooter in Steve Novak to create space for him, a point guard in Jason Kidd to find him, and no need to rely on Stoudemire defensively inside, would give the Knicks a second unit the envy of nearly every other N.B.A. team.

- Howard Megdal

The deal is done. The time for kvetching over what was bartered is over. The best part is surveying the roster-in-progress and visualizing how it comes together.

Suddenly, Amar'e Stoudemire morphs from proposed trade bait - into an essential component on his very own shift line, with Jason Kidd calling the shots.

Is Glen Grunwald a genius?

Forward.

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7/10/2012  9:08 AM
That would be an amazing second unit. Question is: will Stat accept that role for the benefit of the team?
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7/10/2012  9:11 AM
We now have an intimidator in the paint for 48 minutes... and foul trouble will be less of a concern.

And since Camby can space the floor better than Tyson... fewer dry spells on the offensive end.

The Heat not signing him... priceless.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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7/10/2012  9:32 AM
Think Substitution Patterns

OasisBU wrote:That would be an amazing second unit. Question is: will Stat accept that role for the benefit of the team?

OasisBU - don't get hung up on who gets their name called by the public address announcer at the start of games. Mike Woodson will have first quarter adjustments to make at around the eight minute mark.

The rotations can be a creative as the matchup possibilities. Might we see Camby and Amar'e, with Steve Novak at the three?

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7/10/2012  9:37 AM
misterearl wrote:Best Analysis To Date

Did someone say Mobb Deep?

Adding Camby, who blocked shots at a significantly better rate than Chandler, would mean that the Knicks wouldn't have to choose between playing Chandler and giving up on one end of the floor. Better still, a Camby-led second unit would allow the Knicks to deploy Amar'e Stoudemire in a non-Carmelo Anthony lineup. The result, more room for Stoudemire to operate, a shooter in Steve Novak to create space for him, a point guard in Jason Kidd to find him, and no need to rely on Stoudemire defensively inside, would give the Knicks a second unit the envy of nearly every other N.B.A. team.

- Howard Megdal

The deal is done. The time for kvetching over what was bartered is over. The best part is surveying the roster-in-progress and visualizing how it comes together.

Suddenly, Amar'e Stoudemire morphs from proposed trade bait - into an essential component on his very own shift line, with Jason Kidd calling the shots.

Is Glen Grunwald a genius?

Forward.

That would be awesome

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7/10/2012  9:44 AM
helloharv wrote:
misterearl wrote:Best Analysis To Date

Did someone say Mobb Deep?

Adding Camby, who blocked shots at a significantly better rate than Chandler, would mean that the Knicks wouldn't have to choose between playing Chandler and giving up on one end of the floor. Better still, a Camby-led second unit would allow the Knicks to deploy Amar'e Stoudemire in a non-Carmelo Anthony lineup. The result, more room for Stoudemire to operate, a shooter in Steve Novak to create space for him, a point guard in Jason Kidd to find him, and no need to rely on Stoudemire defensively inside, would give the Knicks a second unit the envy of nearly every other N.B.A. team.

- Howard Megdal

The deal is done. The time for kvetching over what was bartered is over. The best part is surveying the roster-in-progress and visualizing how it comes together.

Suddenly, Amar'e Stoudemire morphs from proposed trade bait - into an essential component on his very own shift line, with Jason Kidd calling the shots.

Is Glen Grunwald a genius?

Forward.

That would be awesome

Agreed - lets hope that Kidd can keep that old body going and that Stat can rebound from last years disaster of a season.

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7/10/2012  11:13 AM
Extreme Defensive Makeover

With these three moves, the Knicks will have nine players with guaranteed deals. A tenth is expected to be Jeremy Lin when the Knicks match Houston’s four-year, $28.8 million offer for him.

OasisBU - That leaves five potential roster spots up for grabs. Two for guys on active duty and three for guys wearing nice suits. My boy John Hughes claims that Jeffries is having some fancy blood procedure done in Europe but Jared gets more fragile with each year. The best part about Jeffries is that he can defend three positions, which is rare.

A 6'9 yoot with inside game would be nice. We need Amar'e insurance against fragile knees. Ahmad Nivins (6'9 242) has no mid range offense to speak of but his rebounding and shot blocking fits the Knicks company line. Kostas Papanikolaou is a year away - but may receive a three AM phone call if things get dicey.

A third or fourth guard will materialize in Las Vegas. Hopefully, he will not be a desert mirage. He better be exceptional because Mike Woodson takes his cues from Red Holzman and prefers veterans. If 6'4 210 Jeremiah Rivers can make a jump shot, he gets an invite to training camp. 6'4 182 Mustapha Farrakhan has ACC chops, a solid academic/ character background and what better media market is there for him?

The other three spots can be filled from The Rucker.

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7/10/2012  11:36 AM
This is all true. And it's true that Camby gives us something that we're missing at the center position; a center who can step out and hit a 15 foot jumper. It's pretty amazing that he only added that to his game after he left the Knicks. I'm very excited about this. When we want to go mega defense in the fourth quarter, we can even play Tyson and Camby together. Try driving the lane then... bitches.
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7/10/2012  11:36 AM
With Camby the knicks can play hard and not worry about hurting the team with fouls. Guts gotta except this and make it work. At times the knicks could put in a defensive 5 that could really be a force
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7/10/2012  11:42 AM
EnySpree wrote:With Camby the knicks can play hard and not worry about hurting the team with fouls. Guts gotta except this and make it work. At times the knicks could put in a defensive 5 that could really be a force

Tyson, Camby, Jared Jeffries, Iman Shumpert, Jason Kidd - mega defensive lineup. Could easily swap in one more scorer and still have some epic defense.

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7/10/2012  11:42 AM
I like how we have the flexibility to play like "Hockey Shift Lines" now. We can play an all Defensive unit if we have a big lead with Kidd/Shumpert/Jeffries/Camby/Chandler or we can go all out offense with Lin/JR/Melo/Novak/Amare. It's all up to Woody to make it work!
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7/10/2012  12:20 PM
OasisBU wrote:That would be an amazing second unit. Question is: will Stat accept that role for the benefit of the team?

Doesn't have to be demoted from the starting lineup, simply have his minutes managed so he spends quality time with the second unit.

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7/10/2012  12:21 PM
Exactly

(Dee-Fense)

ChuckBuck wrote:I like how we have the flexibility to play like "Hockey Shift Lines" now. We can play an all Defensive unit if we have a big lead with Kidd/Shumpert/Jeffries/Camby/Chandler or we can go all out offense with Lin/JR/Melo/Novak/Amare. It's all up to Woody to make it work!

ChuckBuck - you are a scholar and a gentleman. The NBA is all about creating favorable - and dominating - matchups. Our Knicks were dominated by Miami because we were forced to start Mike Bibby and depend on a barely ambulatory Baron Davis for productive minutes. Toney Douglas could not produce minimal results with a second and third chance at cameo minutes. He insisted to run on his personal treadmill and the offense suffered.

When Tyson Chander went to the bench our interior defense was invisible. Josh Harrellson was of no assistance in this department and received a free pass for the cute shorts. Enough sentiment. This is business.

Jeffries is better guarding the perimeter than inside... at least he gets after his man by taking charges.

No more sappy sentiment or free passes.

Time to make da donuts.

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7/10/2012  12:26 PM
misterearl wrote:Exactly

(Dee-Fense)

ChuckBuck wrote:I like how we have the flexibility to play like "Hockey Shift Lines" now. We can play an all Defensive unit if we have a big lead with Kidd/Shumpert/Jeffries/Camby/Chandler or we can go all out offense with Lin/JR/Melo/Novak/Amare. It's all up to Woody to make it work!

ChuckBuck - you are a scholar and a gentleman. The NBA is all about creating favorable - and dominating - matchups. Our Knicks were dominated by Miami because we were forced to start Mike Bibby and depend on a barely ambulatory Baron Davis for productive minutes. Toney Douglas could not produce minimal results with a second and third chance at cameo minutes. He insisted to run on his personal treadmill and the offense suffered.

When Tyson Chander went to the bench our interior defense was invisible. Josh Harrellson was of no assistance in this department and received a free pass for the cute shorts. Enough sentiment. This is business.

Jeffries is better guarding the perimeter than inside... at least he gets after his man by taking charges.

No more sappy sentiment or free passes.

Time to make da donuts.

Which reminds me: we need a decent third point guard on the team.

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7/10/2012  12:33 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
misterearl wrote:Exactly

(Dee-Fense)

ChuckBuck wrote:I like how we have the flexibility to play like "Hockey Shift Lines" now. We can play an all Defensive unit if we have a big lead with Kidd/Shumpert/Jeffries/Camby/Chandler or we can go all out offense with Lin/JR/Melo/Novak/Amare. It's all up to Woody to make it work!

ChuckBuck - you are a scholar and a gentleman. The NBA is all about creating favorable - and dominating - matchups. Our Knicks were dominated by Miami because we were forced to start Mike Bibby and depend on a barely ambulatory Baron Davis for productive minutes. Toney Douglas could not produce minimal results with a second and third chance at cameo minutes. He insisted to run on his personal treadmill and the offense suffered.

When Tyson Chander went to the bench our interior defense was invisible. Josh Harrellson was of no assistance in this department and received a free pass for the cute shorts. Enough sentiment. This is business.

Jeffries is better guarding the perimeter than inside... at least he gets after his man by taking charges.

No more sappy sentiment or free passes.

Time to make da donuts.

Which reminds me: we need a decent third point guard on the team.

Vegas baby! Either summer league guy or sign the Italian dude.

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7/10/2012  12:35 PM
Another thing.....everyone on the team plays defense except Novak. I'm sure James White well be driven and well play defense. Novak will definitely learn with thus group and with thus coach.

Defend and rebound....now all the knick haters can shut the **** up and let us live!!!

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7/10/2012  1:01 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Either summer league guy or sign the Italian dude.

Italian Dude

"Argentine veteran point guard Pablo Prigioni (6'4 180) is still in place, although his skills are starting to slip. As he ages and slows, Prigioni's famously great defense is fading, and his ability to get to the basket and create his own shot is largely gone too. The current version of Prigioni is thus rather limited; a good outside shooter, good playmaker, pass-first leader point guard with incredibly low turnover numbers, but who is no longer a threat to do much in (or get within) the paint, and who can be exposed by speedy opponents."

Appealing to Prigioni's desire to play on the world's brightest stage in the world's most famous arena could be worth investigating.

Invite Pablo to training camp in Greenburgh with juicy incentives.

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7/10/2012  1:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2012  1:36 PM
Knicks-Saw Puzzle

Guards
Jason Kidd
Jeremy Lin
Iman Shumpert (injured)
J.R. Smith

One More Guard From These Next Five
Pablo Prigioni
Terrance Withers
Chris Smith
Mustapha Farrakhan
Jermiah Rivers

Forwards
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Novak
Amar'e Stoudemire
James White

A banger to be named later, or much later
Ahmad Nivins
Kostas Papanikolaou
George Printezis

Centers
Tyson Chandler
Marcus Camby
Dan Gadzuric (just for the moment, expect his name in a transaction)
Jared Jeffries (assuming he signs and the Euro bloodwork is magic)

Sleeper Center
Artsiom Parakhouski (6'11, Belarus, only played basketball for 2 years prior to college, Southern Idaho/ Radford, 2010 NBADraft.net projected him early in the second round, DraftExpress.com had Parakhouski as the last pick of the first round)

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7/10/2012  1:34 PM
misterearl wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Either summer league guy or sign the Italian dude.

Italian Dude

"Argentine veteran point guard Pablo Prigioni (6'4 180) is still in place, although his skills are starting to slip. As he ages and slows, Prigioni's famously great defense is fading, and his ability to get to the basket and create his own shot is largely gone too. The current version of Prigioni is thus rather limited; a good outside shooter, good playmaker, pass-first leader point guard with incredibly low turnover numbers, but who is no longer a threat to do much in (or get within) the paint, and who can be exposed by speedy opponents."

Appealing to Prigioni's desire to play on the world's brightest stage in the world's most famous arena could be worth investigating.

Invite Pablo to training camp in Greenburgh with juicy incentives.

sounds like a non-injured Baron or a slightly less-run-down Bibby? Perfect 3rd PG?

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7/10/2012  3:33 PM
misterearl wrote:Knicks-Saw Puzzle

Guards
Jason Kidd
Jeremy Lin
Iman Shumpert (injured)
J.R. Smith

One More Guard From These Next Five
Pablo Prigioni
Terrance Withers
Chris Smith
Mustapha Farrakhan
Jermiah Rivers

Forwards
Carmelo Anthony
Steve Novak
Amar'e Stoudemire
James White

A banger to be named later, or much later
Ahmad Nivins
Kostas Papanikolaou
George Printezis

Centers
Tyson Chandler
Marcus Camby
Dan Gadzuric (just for the moment, expect his name in a transaction)
Jared Jeffries (assuming he signs and the Euro bloodwork is magic)

Sleeper Center
Artsiom Parakhouski (6'11, Belarus, only played basketball for 2 years prior to college, Southern Idaho/ Radford, 2010 NBADraft.net projected him early in the second round, DraftExpress.com had Parakhouski as the last pick of the first round)

He is playing in a league where he is man vs boys, kind of hard to predict how he would do in the NBA.
Looks like he has good size/footwork/hands and not much athleticism.
Reminds me of younger Kristic, not sure if he has a shot that he had a nice 12-17 footer.

nice sleeper, would have been nice if we could have drafted Justin Hamilton or even Kyle OQuiin to play PF/C.

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